gamuso

just that, It's taking me more time to learn MSP than what I thought. every thing is ok with Max, but as I want to do somethings seemed to ableton live I don't know where to start with.

I know that play and buffer objects are my best friends... but I need some "starting patches" as example.

fundamentally I'm interested on looping, and capturing and manipulating audio in real time.

starting-to-sustitute-live-for-maxmsp

Quote: gamuso wrote on Wed, 30 January 2008 14:29

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> I know that play and buffer objects are my best friends...

Quote: gamuso wrote on Wed, 30 January 2008 14:29
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> I know that play and buffer objects are my best friends... 

How long have you been working with Max/MSP?

I understand your wanting to move to live for immediate results, I

don't see the harm in that obviously, but don't give up on Max! Use

Live to get things done while you learn Max. You might try developing

plugins to run in Live via pluggo. Eventually you'll find that Live

is too rigid for the things you'd like to do and that you can do

everything (and much more!) that you want in Max. At least that was

> just that, It's taking me more time to learn MSP than what I thought. every thing is ok with Max, but as I want to do somethings seemed to ableton live I don't know where to start with.

music: www.hecanjog.com / www.cedarav.com

community: www.luvsound.org / www.storycorps.net

I understand your wanting to move to live for immediate results, I
don't see the harm in that obviously, but don't give up on Max!  Use
Live to get things done while you learn Max.  You might try developing
plugins to run in Live via pluggo.  Eventually you'll find that Live
is too rigid for the things you'd like to do and that you can do
everything (and much more!) that you want in Max.  At least that was
my experience.

On Jan 30, 2008 3:29 PM, gamuso  wrote:
> just that, It's taking me more time to learn MSP than what I thought. every thing is ok with Max, but as I want to do somethings seemed to ableton live I don't know where to start with.

-- 
music: www.hecanjog.com / www.cedarav.com
community: www.luvsound.org / www.storycorps.net


Gamuso, have you had a look at the tutorial patches and documentation?

> How long have you been working with Max/MSP?

> I understand your wanting to move to live for immediate results, I

> don't see the harm in that obviously, but don't give up on Max! Use

> Live to get things done while you learn Max. You might try developing

> plugins to run in Live via pluggo. Eventually you'll find that Live

> is too rigid for the things you'd like to do and that you can do

> everything (and much more!) that you want in Max. At least that was

> > just that, It's taking me more time to learn MSP than what I thought.

> every thing is ok with Max, but as I want to do somethings seemed to ableton

> music: www.hecanjog.com / www.cedarav.com

> community: www.luvsound.org / www.storycorps.net

On 30/01/2008, erik schoster  wrote:
>
> How long have you been working with Max/MSP?
>
> I understand your wanting to move to live for immediate results, I
> don't see the harm in that obviously, but don't give up on Max!  Use
> Live to get things done while you learn Max.  You might try developing
> plugins to run in Live via pluggo.  Eventually you'll find that Live
> is too rigid for the things you'd like to do and that you can do
> everything (and much more!) that you want in Max.  At least that was
> my experience.
>
> Don't give up, it's well worth it!
>
> Best,
> Erik
>
> On Jan 30, 2008 3:29 PM, gamuso  wrote:
> > just that, It's taking me more time to learn MSP than what I thought.
> every thing is ok with Max, but as I want to do somethings seemed to ableton
> live I don't know where to start with.
>
>
> --
> music: www.hecanjog.com / www.cedarav.com
> community: www.luvsound.org / www.storycorps.net
>

4 months with Max/MSP, I have allready developed some projects for stage, and have done both max and msp tutorials (I love them! ...what could I have done without them?!).

but I always use Max with ableton live, so I just need some patches doing things like looping and capturing realwordl sounds (patches with good starting ideas) to take them as a departure point.

I have done so with max with good results, so...

does anyone knows a link or a place for to download some patches about this matter?? (just for a starting point).

http://www.sarc.qub.ac.uk/~elyon/LyonSoftware/MaxMSP/

lyons potpourry has an object called el.player- which makes some basic but interest (for me) things, even when I can not modify de path itself.

I have already done both tutorials (max and msp) what would I do without them??!!

in 5 months I have been able to integrate max into my stage projects.

but I always use max with ableton, so now I want to learn to do something like looping and recording-transforming real wordl sounds, but not starting from zero.

with max it's helped me a lot to have lots of example patches (from others people works) to take as a starting point...

in lyon's potpourry I can find some good objects to be inspired by...

thank you. I will work hard, don't want someone else to make the "dirty work", but I need some examples.

- sorry, yes I know... the computer showed me a "error mesage" and I thought my post wasn't posted.

> fundamentally I'm interested on looping, and capturing and

You are not the first, look at Jeff Kaisers looper.

Might be simpler than the other looping patches to understand and take 

It will be fun to modify this patch to your own needs, like Krispen 

gamuso schrieb:
> fundamentally I'm interested on looping, and capturing and
> manipulating audio in real time.
>
> any patches-links-suggestions??

Might be simpler than the other looping patches to understand and take 
appart...
It will be fun to modify this patch to your own needs, like Krispen 
Hartung did...

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I know there will be more patches out there, je!

If you are into looping abstractions, please see below:

NB: to say that the abstraction in question is *messy* would be an

understatement. But the good news is it works 99.99% of the time.

Composition, Music Technology, CCTAD, CHCI, CS and Art (by courtesy)

Director, DISIS Interactive Sound & Intermedia Studio

http://www.music.vt.edu/people/faculty/bukvic/

NB: to say that the abstraction in question is *messy* would be an
understatement. But the good news is it works 99.99% of the time.

Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A.
Composition, Music Technology, CCTAD, CHCI, CS and Art (by courtesy)
Director, DISIS Interactive Sound & Intermedia Studio
Virginia Tech
Dept. of Music - 0240
Blacksburg, VA 24061
(540) 231-6139
(540) 231-5034 (fax)
ico@vt.edu
http://www.music.vt.edu/people/faculty/bukvic/

Quote: erik schoster wrote on Wed, 30 January 2008 23:22

> everything (and much more!) that you want in Max.

Hmm.. how about the real-time time stretching without artifacts?

Quote: erik schoster wrote on Wed, 30 January 2008 23:22
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> and that you can do
> everything (and much more!) that you want in Max.  

starting to sustitute Live for Max/MSP