system suggestions with Max/Msp

Nov 14, 2007 at 12:23am

system suggestions with Max/Msp

I am going to be working with Max/Msp as part of a music project that I’m doing next semester and may be getting my own laptop in order to have a portable setup. The project is going to mainly involve live manipulation of sounds both electronic (and acoustic sounds that are being performed concurrently).

I am going to be getting a Mac, but I am wondering if there are any specific things that I should make sure to get with that–if I should be more worried about RAM or total memory, or anything like that. Also, I’m not sure what kind of i/o interface for audio is needed, I’m assuming generally this is done through something.

I’m on a student budget, so expense is something I’d like to keep low, but I don’t just want something that will be useless at the end of the semester.

#34592
Nov 14, 2007 at 12:40am

any mac you buy now will have leopard installed. check before you
purchase any audio equipment that there are, in fact, leopard
drivers. m-audio has yet to release *any*, the pigfuckers. ‘scuse my
flemish.

On Nov 13, 2007, at 7:23 PM, deepseacatfish wrote:

>
> I am going to be working with Max/Msp as part of a music project
> that I’m doing next semester and may be getting my own laptop in
> order to have a portable setup. The project is going to mainly
> involve live manipulation of sounds both electronic (and acoustic
> sounds that are being performed concurrently).
>
> I am going to be getting a Mac, but I am wondering if there are any
> specific things that I should make sure to get with that–if I
> should be more worried about RAM or total memory, or anything like
> that. Also, I’m not sure what kind of i/o interface for audio is
> needed, I’m assuming generally this is done through something.
>
> I’m on a student budget, so expense is something I’d like to keep
> low, but I don’t just want something that will be useless at the end
> of the semester.
>

#117046
Nov 14, 2007 at 1:05am

#117047
Nov 14, 2007 at 4:33am

#117048
Nov 14, 2007 at 11:18am

>I am going to be working with Max/Msp as part of a music project
>that I’m doing next semester and may be getting my own laptop in
>order to have a portable setup. The project is going to mainly
>involve live manipulation of sounds both electronic (and acoustic
>sounds that are being performed concurrently).
>
>I am going to be getting a Mac, but I am wondering if there are any
>specific things that I should make sure to get with that–if I
>should be more worried about RAM or total memory, or anything like
>that. Also, I’m not sure what kind of i/o interface for audio is
>needed, I’m assuming generally this is done through something.
>
>I’m on a student budget, so expense is something I’d like to keep low,

of course the usual answers you will get is ” as much ram as you
can, as fast a HD, a mid-price sound card”

however if you don’t have much money, i would say for what yo want to
do – “live manipulation of sounds” – if the sounds are pre-recorded
(on your hard disk already) RAM is important (so you can buffer
them), but you can also read them from the hard-disk (not read the
buffer), in which case a fast HD is important.

but for live manupulation of sound, the CPU speed is very important
(ok, i still use a PPC G4, and if it’s far from perfect, it’s still
ok)

as for the sound card – you might not need one maybe: the sound InOut
on mac is pretty good, at least i did not notice a difference between
those and cheap sound cards (between say the build-in sound and the
one of my ego-sys…) with 2 audio cables and a cheap small mixer
you can have an OK sound, especially in live situation (I see many
pro musicians not using any sound card…. and don’t hear anyone
complaining in a live concert about the bad quality of converters!!)

hope it helps

best

kasper

Kasper T. Toeplitz
noise, composition, bass, computer

http://www.sleazeArt.com

http://www.myspace.com/sleazeart

#117049
Nov 14, 2007 at 4:50pm

#117050
Nov 14, 2007 at 5:30pm

jeanfrancois.charles@newflore.org schrieb:
> And as with any laptop, you will add the 3-year Apple Care.

Sorry, I disagree again. Apple Care is a pretty expensive insurance
(though they sell it as “warranty”) which even doesn’t cover things like
theft, or if you drop your laptop from the balcony…
A normal insurance will cover those cases as well as repair, and is
usually cheaper. Its only a bit more hassle and bureaucracy if you ever
need it…

Stefan


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#117051
Nov 14, 2007 at 6:19pm

On 14 Nov 2007, at 17:30, Stefan Tiedje wrote:

> Sorry, I disagree again. Apple Care is a pretty expensive insurance
> (though they sell it as “warranty”) which even doesn’t cover things
> like theft, or if you drop your laptop from the balcony…

It is a bit of a rip-off (as are all high-price “extended
warranties”), but in the case of Mac laptops I think it’s worth it; I
have just purchased it for my MacBook Pro…

…which replaces the 1GHz TiBook I have here. Once out of warranty,
the TiBook blew its FireWire port, broke its SuperDrive, and came out
in white spots all over its screen. Of the half-dozen 667MHz TiBooks
we had (one of which it replaced), two of them developed bad cable
connections to their screens.

On the other hand, the Pismo which the TiBook replaced is pretty much
bombproof, although the battery is basically dead. So, yes, it’s
insurance. Whether it’s worth it really depends on how inconvenient
it would be for the machine to die, and how likely it is that you’ll
be somewhere abroad when that happens. For us international laptop
gigging types, that’s something of an issue.

– N.

Nick Rothwell / Cassiel.com Limited
http://www.cassiel.com
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http://www.last.fm/music/cassiel
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#117052
Nov 15, 2007 at 8:16am

> jeanfrancois.charles@newflore.org schrieb:
>> And as with any laptop, you will add the 3-year Apple Care.
>

Most of the new Macs around me had to be repaired during their 3 first
years these 5 last years (funnily, when I worked years ago as a tech
support for a 150 Macs network, I had almost no hardware problems, even
with these ugly 5200). Laptops and desktop. There were harddrive
failures, screen problems, cpu problems…

You don’t have to buy AppleCare directly, you can wait until the end of
your first year warranty, but you should do it.

_____________________________
Patrick Delges

Centre de Recherches et de Formation Musicales de Wallonie asbl

http://www.crfmw.be/max

#117053
Nov 16, 2007 at 12:05am

Nick Rothwell schrieb:
> Whether it’s worth it really depends on how inconvenient it would be
> for the machine to die, and how likely it is that you’ll be somewhere
> abroad when that happens. For us international laptop gigging types,
> that’s something of an issue.

Don’t get me wrong, I do think that an inssurance is worth its money, I
just say you could have it most likely cheaper than with Apple…
And especially in France/Germany I had a bad experience with Apple
“warranty”. I claimed my broken drive, which broke in normal warranty
time, and in France they offered me to take the computer into repair for
at least three weeks. Of course if I’d be willing to pay extra, they’d
do it in 2 days…
I tried to get it fixed in Germany then, but the places I was close
didn’t have the part… I decided to live without drive, which was the
better decision in this case… ;-)

With an inssurance you just don’t care what they charge and get it done
on demand wherever you are…

Stefan


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