Andrew Benson

For all of you who have already purchased one of the fancy new Intel 

Macs, the moment has arrived for you to check out a fully native version 

of MaxMSP, Jitter, and the MaxMSP UB SDK. Please visit 

Please be aware that this is a public beta version, so I recommend 

reading all the important notes and system requirements before 

For all of you who have already purchased one of the fancy new Intel 
Macs, the moment has arrived for you to check out a fully native version 
of MaxMSP, Jitter, and the MaxMSP UB SDK.  Please visit 
www.cycling74.com for more info.

Please be aware that this is a public beta version, so I recommend 
reading all the important notes and system requirements before 
installing on your machine.

the-ub-public-beta-has-arrived

Thanks for the great work - this is huge! Ive already been playing 

with jit.gl.multple and imageunit, great work - this is awesome. my 

large patches load with no major issues, and actually seem to run a 

little bit faster all in all. shunting imageunits to slabs and back 

Being a beta however - we need some bug reports :here are some issues 

1) imageunits html doc file points to jit.gl.slab's - small annoyance

2) where should we post about beta software, in the respective forums 

3) jit.fouride doesnt seem to have the PKGinfo , it does show up as a 

mxo, but a folder in the finder (easily remedied)

4) jit.vcr doesnt have an html help file.

5) I could not seem to figure out where to put the AUVI library to 

load it. Any hints? I checked the docs, but nothing seemed obvious.

and lastly, is it possible to render an entire scene to a texture 

now? Just curious, as it seems like some things have been changed 

thanks for all the hard work - quite a beautiful update.

Thanks for the great work - this is huge! Ive already been playing  
with jit.gl.multple and imageunit, great work - this is awesome. my  
large patches load with no major issues, and actually seem to run a  
little bit faster all in all. shunting imageunits to slabs and back  
work just fine, and is totally badass.

Being a beta however - we need some bug reports :here are some issues  
ive had:

1) imageunits html doc file points to jit.gl.slab's - small annoyance
2) where should we post about beta software, in the respective forums  
(assuming yes..) is there a beta forum??
3) jit.fouride doesnt seem to have the PKGinfo , it does show up as a  
mxo, but a folder in the finder (easily remedied)
4) jit.vcr doesnt have an html help file.
5) I could not seem to figure out where to put the AUVI library to  
load it. Any hints? I checked the docs, but nothing seemed obvious.

and lastly, is it possible to render an entire scene to a texture  
now? Just curious, as it seems like some things have been changed  
possibly wrt jitter. Not a big deal

thanks for all the hard work  - quite a beautiful update.

>2) where should we post about beta software, in the respective 

>(assuming yes..) is there a beta forum??

Just post everything here, or to support@

>2) where should we post about beta software, in the respective 
>forums
>(assuming yes..) is there a beta forum??

On 24.06.2006, at 04:17, Andrew Pask wrote:

i noticed that the new installer creates a documentation folder all 

by itself (and copies the documentation there); that's useful, but i 

guess the doc-folder gets the wrong permissions assigned, as i can 

On 24.06.2006, at 04:17, Andrew Pask wrote:
>
> There is no beta forum

to the subject of this mail:
i noticed that the new installer creates a documentation folder all  
by itself (and copies the documentation there); that's useful, but i  
guess the doc-folder gets the wrong permissions assigned, as i can  
only add things after authorizing...
no big thing though.

Bug: when creating a standalone, the runtime at /Contents/Mac OS/ doesn't have its executable bit set - it's necessary to manually perform a "chmod +x" to get the standalone to run.

Otherwise, looking quite good here, very nice work. Now I just have the LObjects/shell/findfolder blues.

I'm getting the following error at the end of a more complex standalone build process:

• error: appbuilder_finish: unable to find support folder

Then the app .mxf file and my custom icon are getting placed in the same folder as the main patch I'm building from (not in the standalone /Contents/ and /Resources/ folders)

Including File Info.plist
• error: appbuilder_finish: unable to find support folder
Finished script.

My custom .plist isn't getting included.


"Standalones properly build their local search path, consistent with 4.5 behavior -- this includes the support folder, which wasn't being added to the search path."

This doesn't appear to be behaving here. Building the test patch below as a standalone produces the same error noted in my previous post during build:

• error: folder: ./support: not a folder

Which builds and runs fine using Max 4.5.7

Starting Build for support folder.app...
Processing script...
Copying External folder
Copying External standalone
• error: appbuilder_finish: unable to find support folder
Finished script.

Which builds and runs fine using Max 4.5.7


On 26-Jun-2006, at 4:59, John Pitcairn wrote:

> Otherwise, looking quite good here, very nice work. Now I just have 

Cycling '74 made a particularly good effort this time to help 3rd 

party developers get up to speed with changes ASAP. (BTW, a big round 

of applause to David for his detailed introduction to the UB SDK, 

also thanks to Tim for his earlier article).

That said: this is is, I think, the biggest set of changes external 

developers have had to deal with. I write that having worked through 

68k->PPC and Classic->Carbon. Even Mac->Windows required, arguably, 

not as much re-engineering even if it was a very big change.

Like all transition periods, it will take a while for everything to 

be available in the new format. That's why they're called 

"transition". But don't expect to play that harmonica forever.-)

Peter Castine +--> Litter Power & Litter Bundle for Jitter

iCE: Sequencing, Recording & |home | chez nous|

Interface Building for |bei uns | i nostri|

On 26-Jun-2006, at 4:59, John Pitcairn wrote:
> Otherwise, looking quite good here, very nice work. Now I just have  
> the LObjects/shell/findfolder blues.

Cycling '74 made a particularly good effort this time to help 3rd  
party developers get up to speed with changes ASAP. (BTW, a big round  
of applause to David for his detailed introduction to the UB SDK,  
also thanks to Tim for his earlier article).

That said: this is is, I think, the biggest set of changes external  
developers have had to deal with. I write that having worked through  
68k->PPC and Classic->Carbon. Even Mac->Windows required, arguably,  
not as much re-engineering even if it was a very big change.

Like all transition periods, it will take a while for everything to  
be available in the new format. That's why they're called  
"transition". But don't expect to play that harmonica forever.-)

--------------    http://www.bek.no/~pcastine/Litter/    -------------
Peter Castine             +--> Litter Power & Litter Bundle for Jitter

At 2:59 PM +1200 6/26/06, John Pitcairn wrote:

>Bug: when creating a standalone, the runtime at /Contents/Mac 

>OS/ doesn't have its executable bit set - it's necessary to 

>manually perform a "chmod +x" to get the standalone to run.

John, I'm not getting the same behavior here - what platform are you 

trying on, Intel or PPC? If PPC, did you install CFM support or not?

One thing I have noted (and this on both Intel and PPC), is that if I 

build an executable to the Desktop, that it initially does not have 

it's custom app icon; I need to relaunch the Desktop for it to be 

visible. But I think this is a Mac OS thing, not a Max thing. And 

it's been this way in Max for a while, with no change introduced by 

>Otherwise, looking quite good here, very nice work. Now I just have 

You and I have very similar 3rd party dependencies.... ;-)

202 Hack / PC-1600 User / VSTi Host / OMS Convert / Jack OS X

At 2:59 PM +1200 6/26/06, John Pitcairn wrote:
>Bug: when creating a standalone, the runtime at /Contents/Mac 
>OS/ doesn't have its executable bit set - it's necessary to 
>manually perform a "chmod +x" to get the standalone to run.

John, I'm not getting the same behavior here - what platform are you 
trying on, Intel or PPC?  If PPC, did you install CFM support or not?

One thing I have noted (and this on both Intel and PPC), is that if I 
build an executable to the Desktop, that it initially does not have 
it's custom app icon; I need to relaunch the Desktop for it to be 
visible.  But I think this is a Mac OS thing, not a Max thing.  And 
it's been this way in Max for a while, with no change introduced by 
the UB beta.

>Otherwise, looking quite good here, very nice work. Now I just have 
>the LObjects/shell/findfolder blues.

Dan
-- 
Dan Nigrin
Defective Records
202 Hack / PC-1600 User / VSTi Host / OMS Convert / Jack OS X
http://www.defectiverecords.com
http://www.jackosx.com


On 26 juin 06, at 12:23, Peter Castine wrote:

> On 26-Jun-2006, at 4:59, John Pitcairn wrote:

>> Otherwise, looking quite good here, very nice work. Now I just have 

> Cycling '74 made a particularly good effort this time to help 3rd 

> party developers get up to speed with changes ASAP. (BTW, a big round 

> of applause to David for his detailed introduction to the UB SDK, also 

> thanks to Tim for his earlier article).

That's true: I could compile my sfmarkers~ external for intel in less 

than an hour, and it seems to work on an intel iMac! Thanks!!

A David suggested, I started from his maximum project, changed the 

names etc. The only thing that causes me problem is to include the 

"AIFF.h" header. I have to study all these options a bit further!

Centre de Recherches et de Formation Musicales de Wallonie asbl

> On 26-Jun-2006, at 4:59, John Pitcairn wrote:
>> Otherwise, looking quite good here, very nice work. Now I just have 
>> the LObjects/shell/findfolder blues.
>
> Cycling '74 made a particularly good effort this time to help 3rd 
> party developers get up to speed with changes ASAP. (BTW, a big round 
> of applause to David for his detailed introduction to the UB SDK, also 
> thanks to Tim for his earlier article).

That's true: I could compile my sfmarkers~ external for intel in less 
than an hour, and it seems to work on an intel iMac! Thanks!!

A David suggested, I started from his maximum project, changed the 
names etc. The only thing that causes me problem is to include the 
"AIFF.h" header. I have to study all these options a bit further!

_____________________________
Patrick Delges

Centre de Recherches et de Formation Musicales de Wallonie asbl
http://users.skynet.be/crfmw/max


I can't reproduce any of this here. It sounds like something may be up with your install or something. If the problem persists, please try to give us a cohesive bug report so we might try to figure out what's happening over there. Numbered steps and supporting files are always a big help. Be sure to give us as much info as possible.

Otherwise, you might try reinstalling MaxMSP and see if that clears things up.

For future reports, please start a separate thread (instead of replying to this one), as this thread has become rather complex.

Hi John,
I can't reproduce any of this here.  It sounds like something may be up with your install or something.  If the problem persists, please try to give us a cohesive bug report so we might try to figure out what's happening over there.  Numbered steps and supporting files are always a big help.  Be sure to give us as much info as possible.

Quote: Dan Nigrin wrote on Tue, 27 June 2006 00:21

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> John, I'm not getting the same behavior here - what platform are 

> you trying on, Intel or PPC? If PPC, did you install CFM support 

PPC, OS X 10.4.3, CFM support not installed - I don't want legacy object support in Max 4.6, I'd like to do it clean.

> You and I have very similar 3rd party dependencies

I've replaced shell/findfolder using mxj syscommand for now, might stay that way, I just need to check the license.

LObjects I'll just make abstractions for the subset of functionality I need, then replace those when I can for improved efficiency. I've dealt with most of it, I only use a few objects.

Quote: Dan Nigrin wrote on Tue, 27 June 2006 00:21
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> John, I'm not getting the same behavior here - what platform are 
> you trying on, Intel or PPC?  If PPC, did you install CFM support 
> or not?

LObjects I'll just make abstractions for the subset of functionality I need, then replace those when I can for improved efficiency. I've dealt with most of it, I only use a few objects.
`


Yup, same here. Peter Elsea, are you listening? :-)

Yup, same here.  Peter Elsea, are you listening?  :-)

-- 
Dan Nigrin
Defective Records
202 Hack / PC-1600 User / VSTi Host / OMS Convert / Jack OS X
http://www.defectiverecords.com
http://www.jackosx.com


Quote: Dan Nigrin wrote on Tue, 27 June 2006 11:34

> Yup, same here. Peter Elsea, are you listening? :-)

Quote: Dan Nigrin wrote on Tue, 27 June 2006 11:34
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> Yup, same here.  Peter Elsea, are you listening?  :-)

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