I opened the tutorial and dragged the envelope labeled “volume” a few ticks
to the right. The crash has happen on each of the five times I retried it.

I also tried pasting a new list into one of the message boxes at 8000. I
reported this several years ago and it still doesn’t work.

Cheers
Gary Lee Nelson
Oberlin College
http://www.timara.oberlin.edu/GaryLeeNelson

falk

Falk

Am 08.01.2007 um 15:41 schrieb Gary Lee Nelson:

> I would really like to use timeline but in the past it was so buggy
> that I
> gave up. This morning I tried it again assuming that it had been
> fixed.
> The very first thing I tried caused max to crash.
>
> I opened the tutorial and dragged the envelope labeled “volume” a
> few ticks
> to the right. The crash has happen on each of the five times I
> retried it.
>
> I also tried pasting a new list into one of the message boxes at
> 8000. I
> reported this several years ago and it still doesn’t work.
>
> Cheers
> Gary Lee Nelson
> Oberlin College
> http://www.timara.oberlin.edu/GaryLeeNelson
>
>

Speaking about idiosyncrasies, I can report that detonate still has
its own too. Try to create entries for track 0 and track 33, for
example; the limit should be 1 and 32.

Georg

On Jan 8, 2007, at 3:41 PM, Gary Lee Nelson wrote:

> I would really like to use timeline but in the past it was so buggy
> that I
> gave up. This morning I tried it again assuming that it had been
> fixed.
> The very first thing I tried caused max to crash.
>
> I opened the tutorial and dragged the envelope labeled “volume” a
> few ticks
> to the right. The crash has happen on each of the five times I
> retried it.
>
> I also tried pasting a new list into one of the message boxes at
> 8000. I
> reported this several years ago and it still doesn’t work.
>
> Cheers
> Gary Lee Nelson
> Oberlin College
> http://www.timara.oberlin.edu/GaryLeeNelson
>
>

I’d love to see a version using jit.cellblock or even LCD that lets you indicate what’s going on based upon graphical indicators. Maybe multiple “tracks”, each with its own LCD, with a “scrub” bar that could be moved by hand or automatically (or mtr-recorded). It wouldn’t have the same functionality as timeline, but I can imagine multiple colors meaning different messages or commands.

Maybe jit.matrix (in an editable window) could also do this, or some kind of multislider configuration, or a bpfunction editor. Essentially, a collection of tracks of graphically-controlled messages that play / send messages to whatever you want. Could be neat.

–CJ

What does everybody think?

Georg

On Jan 8, 2007, at 11:44 PM, Seejay James wrote:

>
> I’ve run into some of these weird problems with timeline too. Looks
> like a great idea but there’s a lot of crashes so it’s unnerving at
> best to use it…
>
> I’d love to see a version using jit.cellblock or even LCD that lets
> you indicate what’s going on based upon graphical indicators.
> Maybe multiple “tracks”, each with its own LCD, with a “scrub” bar
> that could be moved by hand or automatically (or mtr-recorded). It
> wouldn’t have the same functionality as timeline, but I can imagine
> multiple colors meaning different messages or commands.
>
> Maybe jit.matrix (in an editable window) could also do this, or
> some kind of multislider configuration, or a bpfunction editor.
> Essentially, a collection of tracks of graphically-controlled
> messages that play / send messages to whatever you want. Could be
> neat.
>
> –CJ

On Jan 8, 2007, at 6:11 PM, Georg Hajdu wrote:

> I suggest that if there’s no viable solution in Max 5.0, those who
> are interested in a nice timeline object start collecting money
> Wikipedia style and contract a programming whiz to do the work.
> Lately, I had the pleasure working with Emmanuel Jourdan’s js
> function object. Something similar could probably also be realized
> for timeline. If we all give $50, we might be able to raise a
> considerable amount.
>
> What does everybody think?
>
> Georg
>
> On Jan 8, 2007, at 11:44 PM, Seejay James wrote:

v a d e //

http://www.vade.info
abstrakt.vade.info

gotta run.

Anyway, I’d probably throw-down for a snazzy openGL timeline object. But I suspect c74 will provide one before we could actually get a 3rd-party one built. Personally, I think we should pool our money to pay the PWGL developers to incorporate OSC… then we’d have graphical options AND a super-hot score editor (which includes graphical notation as well, btw).

J.

> solutions like Iannix

Georg

J.

Yeah I’d like to keep this thread alive too. I also had contemplated LCD, sounds like you guys got pretty far with it. It could still come in handy with some stuff I guess. Interested to see what you ended up with.

Detonate could be nicely used as a timeline, especially if the notes were used as triggers, sending messages, storing numbers, etc. Maybe a track per pitch, with assignable behavior by velocity? Not to mention the other values.

A concurrent, parallel Detonate (or multiple ones for that matter) could have the same notes / durations. Changing the velocity on these would control the level or type of effect in the main timeline sequence, depending on the value held by the “notes” in it—if the values are numbers it provides interpolation or scaling, if they are messages it changes the particular message sent (play sample2.aiff, play mtr / seq), or it turns on and off the “notes” (either the events happen or they don’t). Lots of design possibilities and considerations there, with the advantage of the detonate UI and playback capabilities.

For the messages that are in either of these examples: Common message “parts” could be stored in multiple drop-downs, so the user can build full messages piecemeal–take this action, on this name / symbol, at this level, etc. Combinations could then be stored too, in a coll and a drop-down.

With a bit of mousestate and some transparent buttons you can make any object draggable (maybe hold down shift while in drag mode, or the reverse). Then you could do a fair bit with panels that “size themselves” automatically by setting the event’s duration / beat length. Choose common note lengths and drag them onto the tracks, with lots of preset patterns and filling functions, and a snap-to-grid function (use split object for the number of pixels around the nearest gridline, and an if-else to snap the panel and update the cursor? use modulus for the screen grid coordinates, based upon resolution and zoom level?).

When you click a panel / event, you could edit the current number / list / message(s) it contains (a master editor panel at bottom switches to the current panel clicked). Also a master setter for the whole track, or whichever events are enabled to receive master track commands. The most recent screen coordinates of dragged or generated panels are stored for playback.

Each track has independent playback rates; the note timings are determined using panel size and the screen pixel coordinates; there’s a slider above each track as an indicator and for scrubbing; there’s a range bar for looping; there’s a main level scaler for events that are numbers / lists; there’s maybe 6 levels of 2X zoom, out to about 4800 pixels horizontally; and there’s tons of presets / whatevers for all these… this sounds relatively doable, and would provide a lot of possibilities. Now let me just go and brew another pot…

just thinkin’ out loud, so if you got this far, my appreciation

C

regards Pere Josep

On 09/01/07, Georg Hajdu wrote:
>
> I suggest that if there’s no viable solution in Max 5.0, those who
> are interested in a nice timeline object start collecting money
> Wikipedia style and contract a programming whiz to do the work.
> Lately, I had the pleasure working with Emmanuel Jourdan’s js
> function object. Something similar could probably also be realized
> for timeline. If we all give $50, we might be able to raise a
> considerable amount.
>
> What does everybody think?
>
> Georg
>
> On Jan 8, 2007, at 11:44 PM, Seejay James wrote:
>
> >
> > I’ve run into some of these weird problems with timeline too. Looks
> > like a great idea but there’s a lot of crashes so it’s unnerving at
> > best to use it…
> >
> > I’d love to see a version using jit.cellblock or even LCD that lets
> > you indicate what’s going on based upon graphical indicators.
> > Maybe multiple “tracks”, each with its own LCD, with a “scrub” bar
> > that could be moved by hand or automatically (or mtr-recorded). It
> > wouldn’t have the same functionality as timeline, but I can imagine
> > multiple colors meaning different messages or commands.
> >
> > Maybe jit.matrix (in an editable window) could also do this, or
> > some kind of multislider configuration, or a bpfunction editor.
> > Essentially, a collection of tracks of graphically-controlled
> > messages that play / send messages to whatever you want. Could be
> > neat.
> >
> > –CJ
>
>

–
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Msc Creative and Computational Sound
Creative Technologies
Portsmouth University
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Portsmouth PO1 2DJ
00 44 23 92 848484

http://www.port.ac.uk/courses/coursetypes/postgraduate/MScCreativeAndComputationalSound/
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I don’t think max is ready to be used as a real sequencer and event editing solution. I started programming my own in Java a few months ago. It communicates with max via OSC, which works very nice.

Mattijs

You might want to look at iCE Tools as an alternative to timeline.
It’s a different paradigm, but ice.lattice is (a) simple, (b)
reliable, and (c) stable.

iCE Tools costs more than the $50 ante people have been positing in
this thread, but its price is, frankly, more realistic given the work
involved. As f.e has discovered, this sort of thing is not a trivial
task. To give you an idea of just how much work was involved, note
that ice.lattice needed almost 3 years development to market.

I will respond to the question about availability for Windows in the
thread in which the question was explicitly asked (“iCE sequencer
opinions”).

Best,
Peter

On 8-Jan-2007, at 9:41, Gary Lee Nelson wrote:
> I would really like to use timeline but in the past it was so buggy
> that I
> gave up. This morning I tried it again assuming that it had been
> fixed.
> The very first thing I tried caused max to crash.

————– http://www.bek.no/~pcastine/Litter/ ————-
Peter Castine +–> Litter Power & Litter Bundle for Jitter
Universal Binaries on the way
iCE: Sequencing, Recording &
Interface Building for |home | chez nous|
Max/MSP Extremely cool |bei uns | i nostri|
http://www.dspaudio.com/ http://www.castine.de

regards Pere

On 10/01/07, Peter Castine wrote:
>
> Gary (and others on Mac OS),
>
> You might want to look at iCE Tools as an alternative to timeline.
> It’s a different paradigm, but ice.lattice is (a) simple, (b)
> reliable, and (c) stable.
>
> iCE Tools costs more than the $50 ante people have been positing in
> this thread, but its price is, frankly, more realistic given the work
> involved. As f.e has discovered, this sort of thing is not a trivial
> task. To give you an idea of just how much work was involved, note
> that ice.lattice needed almost 3 years development to market.
>
> I will respond to the question about availability for Windows in the
> thread in which the question was explicitly asked (“iCE sequencer
> opinions”).
>
> Best,
> Peter
>
> On 8-Jan-2007, at 9:41, Gary Lee Nelson wrote:
> > I would really like to use timeline but in the past it was so buggy
> > that I
> > gave up. This morning I tried it again assuming that it had been
> > fixed.
> > The very first thing I tried caused max to crash.
>
> ————– http://www.bek.no/~pcastine/Litter/ ————-
> Peter Castine +–> Litter Power & Litter Bundle for Jitter
> Universal Binaries on the way
> iCE: Sequencing, Recording &
> Interface Building for |home | chez nous|
> Max/MSP Extremely cool |bei uns | i nostri|
> http://www.dspaudio.com/ http://www.castine.de
>
>
>

On Jan 9, 2007, at 9:33 PM, Peter Castine wrote:

> Gary (and others on Mac OS),
>
> You might want to look at iCE Tools as an alternative to timeline.
> It’s a different paradigm, but ice.lattice is (a) simple, (b)
> reliable, and (c) stable.
>
> iCE Tools costs more than the $50 ante people have been positing in
> this thread, but its price is, frankly, more realistic given the
> work involved. As f.e has discovered, this sort of thing is not a
> trivial task. To give you an idea of just how much work was
> involved, note that ice.lattice needed almost 3 years development
> to market.
>
> I will respond to the question about availability for Windows in
> the thread in which the question was explicitly asked (“iCE
> sequencer opinions”).
>
> Best,
> Peter
>
> On 8-Jan-2007, at 9:41, Gary Lee Nelson wrote:
>> I would really like to use timeline but in the past it was so
>> buggy that I
>> gave up. This morning I tried it again assuming that it had been
>> fixed.
>> The very first thing I tried caused max to crash.
>
> ————– http://www.bek.no/~pcastine/Litter/ ————-
> Peter Castine +–> Litter Power & Litter Bundle for Jitter
> Universal Binaries on the way
> iCE: Sequencing, Recording &
> Interface Building for |home | chez nous|
> Max/MSP Extremely cool |bei uns | i nostri|
> http://www.dspaudio.com/ http://www.castine.de
>
>

v a d e //

http://www.vade.info
abstrakt.vade.info

In a very simple way, you can already do this. Use an [mtr] object
to record you preset changes for [pattrstorage]. Playback at will.
I have done this to build layers for a recording of a composition.
Worked like a charm.

——————-
Nathan Wolek, PhD — nwolek@stetson.edu
Assistant Professor of Music Technology
Stetson University – DeLand, FL

http://www.nathanwolek.com

BTW. I am having great success using textedit with pattr. With a small
wrapper I have made a kind of qlist that is more easily edited and allows me
to specify action times as well as delta times. As soon as I deliver my
current piece I’ll make up a small demo.

Cheers
Gary Lee Nelson
Oberlin College
http://www.timara.oberlin.edu/GaryLeeNelson

On 1/10/07 7:57 AM, “Nathan Wolek” wrote:

> On Jan 10, 2007, at 1:19 AM, vade wrote:
>> Pattr sequencer!
>
> In a very simple way, you can already do this. Use an [mtr] object
> to record you preset changes for [pattrstorage]. Playback at will.
> I have done this to build layers for a recording of a composition.
> Worked like a charm.
>
> ——————-
> Nathan Wolek, PhD — nwolek@stetson.edu
> Assistant Professor of Music Technology
> Stetson University – DeLand, FL
> http://www.nathanwolek.com
>
>

The page at the Kagi store has a Contact link specifically to answer
this question. But since the question has been asked here, I’ll
answer it on list (not for the first time, probably not the last!-)

It’s basically a formality where you say to DSPA “I want to be able
to build standalones with iCE Tools.” That’s all. DSPA requires an
additional license, encompassing an assurance not to directly compete
with DSPA’s sequencer products. There are no additional license fees
involved.

Hope this helps,
Peter

————– http://www.bek.no/~pcastine/Litter/ ————-
Peter Castine +–> Litter Power & Litter Bundle for Jitter
Universal Binaries on the way
iCE: Sequencing, Recording &
Interface Building for |home | chez nous|
Max/MSP Extremely cool |bei uns | i nostri|
http://www.dspaudio.com/ http://www.castine.de