Cycling 74 » Topic: To Abstract or Not To Abstract, this is my question http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/to-abstract-or-not-to-abstract-this-is-my-question/feed Wed, 19 Jun 2013 01:59:42 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=2.2.4 http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/to-abstract-or-not-to-abstract-this-is-my-question/#post-56797 <![CDATA[To Abstract or Not To Abstract, this is my question]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/to-abstract-or-not-to-abstract-this-is-my-question/#post-56797 Mon, 02 May 2011 15:21:52 +0000 gwsounddsg So as I come to a close on this really big patch I’m creating (which will soon be a standalone app) I cant help but wonder…

The awesome thing about abstractions is that you can have many instances of a single patch where you can edit the original and all will be updated. This is great! But with my patch having 16 instances of an abstraction containing 48 instances of one abstraction, 1 instance of another and 5 of another it quickly adds up.

So My question is this: is it more cpu intensive to open an abstraction compared to having an abstractions contents in the main patch? In short, will my patch open quicker if it had no/less abstractions? Does anyone know the difference in time via milliseconds?

I really dont want to go through and embed all of my abstractions if it will be all for 10ms, but currently its taking around 30-40 seconds to open my patch even as a standalone app and a computer with a decent processor and ram.

GW

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/to-abstract-or-not-to-abstract-this-is-my-question/#post-203564 <![CDATA[Re: To Abstract or Not To Abstract, this is my question]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/to-abstract-or-not-to-abstract-this-is-my-question/#post-203564 Mon, 02 May 2011 16:17:01 +0000 Anthony Palomba Well if the abstraction is already in memory, it does not
have to load it again off of disk. So it may not be
taking as much as you think to load it. I assume the
programmers at cycling74 have enough smarts to cache loaded
abstractions.

In fact if you embedded it, the patcher loader would be forced to
load it, perhaps maybe even increasing the load time! You may have
to experiment to figure out the best thing to do.

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/to-abstract-or-not-to-abstract-this-is-my-question/#post-203623 <![CDATA[Re: To Abstract or Not To Abstract, this is my question]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/to-abstract-or-not-to-abstract-this-is-my-question/#post-203623 Mon, 02 May 2011 16:17:01 +0000 Anthony Palomba Well if the abstraction is already in memory, it does not
have to load it again off of disk. So it may not be
taking as much as you think to load it. I assume the
programmers at cycling74 have enough smarts to cache loaded
abstractions.

In fact if you embedded it, the patcher loader would be forced to
load it, perhaps maybe even increasing the load time! You may have
to experiment to figure out the best thing to do.

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/to-abstract-or-not-to-abstract-this-is-my-question/#post-203565 <![CDATA[Re: To Abstract or Not To Abstract, this is my question]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/to-abstract-or-not-to-abstract-this-is-my-question/#post-203565 Mon, 02 May 2011 20:29:29 +0000 Roman Thilenius since the .mxo format came to maxmsp abstractions actually load faster than
subpatcher.

what can create long load times and a CPU hog is when you have hundres of
very small poly patchers. i made several experiments with that and it was
quite frustrating.

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/to-abstract-or-not-to-abstract-this-is-my-question/#post-203624 <![CDATA[Re: To Abstract or Not To Abstract, this is my question]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/to-abstract-or-not-to-abstract-this-is-my-question/#post-203624 Mon, 02 May 2011 20:29:29 +0000 Roman Thilenius since the .mxo format came to maxmsp abstractions actually load faster than
subpatcher.

what can create long load times and a CPU hog is when you have hundres of
very small poly patchers. i made several experiments with that and it was
quite frustrating.

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/to-abstract-or-not-to-abstract-this-is-my-question/#post-203566 <![CDATA[Re: To Abstract or Not To Abstract, this is my question]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/to-abstract-or-not-to-abstract-this-is-my-question/#post-203566 Sat, 07 May 2011 17:41:40 +0000 gwsounddsg So I tried to lookup info on the .mxo format and couldn’t find anything. I have seen many people create these kind of abstraction but I am unsure how to do that myself.

Do you know Roman Thilenius?
GW

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/to-abstract-or-not-to-abstract-this-is-my-question/#post-203625 <![CDATA[Re: To Abstract or Not To Abstract, this is my question]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/to-abstract-or-not-to-abstract-this-is-my-question/#post-203625 Sat, 07 May 2011 17:41:40 +0000 gwsounddsg So I tried to lookup info on the .mxo format and couldn’t find anything. I have seen many people create these kind of abstraction but I am unsure how to do that myself.

Do you know Roman Thilenius?
GW

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/to-abstract-or-not-to-abstract-this-is-my-question/#post-203567 <![CDATA[Re: To Abstract or Not To Abstract, this is my question]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/to-abstract-or-not-to-abstract-this-is-my-question/#post-203567 Sat, 07 May 2011 18:08:37 +0000 Chris Muir .mxo is an older disk format for Max files. .maxpat is the current format. As far as creating abstractions, they are just Max files, saved on disk, with inlets and outlets.

http://www.cycling74.com/docs/max5/vignettes/core/abstractions.html

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/to-abstract-or-not-to-abstract-this-is-my-question/#post-203626 <![CDATA[Re: To Abstract or Not To Abstract, this is my question]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/to-abstract-or-not-to-abstract-this-is-my-question/#post-203626 Sat, 07 May 2011 18:08:37 +0000 Chris Muir .mxo is an older disk format for Max files. .maxpat is the current format. As far as creating abstractions, they are just Max files, saved on disk, with inlets and outlets.

http://www.cycling74.com/docs/max5/vignettes/core/abstractions.html

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/to-abstract-or-not-to-abstract-this-is-my-question/#post-203568 <![CDATA[Re: To Abstract or Not To Abstract, this is my question]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/to-abstract-or-not-to-abstract-this-is-my-question/#post-203568 Sat, 07 May 2011 18:52:31 +0000 gwsounddsg Oh ok, didn’t realize .mxo was te old format. I started learning max using max 5 but know how to do abstractions, thought u were referring to a different type of abstraction I hadn’t heard of.

Thanks a bunch!!
GW

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/to-abstract-or-not-to-abstract-this-is-my-question/#post-203627 <![CDATA[Re: To Abstract or Not To Abstract, this is my question]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/to-abstract-or-not-to-abstract-this-is-my-question/#post-203627 Sat, 07 May 2011 18:52:31 +0000 gwsounddsg Oh ok, didn’t realize .mxo was te old format. I started learning max using max 5 but know how to do abstractions, thought u were referring to a different type of abstraction I hadn’t heard of.

Thanks a bunch!!
GW

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/to-abstract-or-not-to-abstract-this-is-my-question/#post-203569 <![CDATA[Re: To Abstract or Not To Abstract, this is my question]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/to-abstract-or-not-to-abstract-this-is-my-question/#post-203569 Sat, 07 May 2011 21:58:49 +0000 Emmanuel Jourdan hum, very confusing/confused thread ;-)

To summarize:
- .mxo is the extension of externals on Mac (something compiled in C/C++ and whatnot)
- .mxe is the extension of externals on windows
- .maxpat is the extension of a Max Patcher (it’s a plain text file). You can load a patcher in an object box, in that case it’s usually refered as an abstraction)

for history sake:
- .mxb was the Max 4 binary format for patchers (and abstractions)
- .mxt was the Max 4 text format for patchers (and abstractions)
- .pat was the Max 4 and (way earlier) for patchers (and abstractions)

Hope this clarify a bit.

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/to-abstract-or-not-to-abstract-this-is-my-question/#post-203628 <![CDATA[Re: To Abstract or Not To Abstract, this is my question]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/to-abstract-or-not-to-abstract-this-is-my-question/#post-203628 Sat, 07 May 2011 21:58:49 +0000 Emmanuel Jourdan hum, very confusing/confused thread ;-)

To summarize:
- .mxo is the extension of externals on Mac (something compiled in C/C++ and whatnot)
- .mxe is the extension of externals on windows
- .maxpat is the extension of a Max Patcher (it’s a plain text file). You can load a patcher in an object box, in that case it’s usually refered as an abstraction)

for history sake:
- .mxb was the Max 4 binary format for patchers (and abstractions)
- .mxt was the Max 4 text format for patchers (and abstractions)
- .pat was the Max 4 and (way earlier) for patchers (and abstractions)

Hope this clarify a bit.

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/to-abstract-or-not-to-abstract-this-is-my-question/#post-203570 <![CDATA[Re: To Abstract or Not To Abstract, this is my question]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/to-abstract-or-not-to-abstract-this-is-my-question/#post-203570 Sat, 07 May 2011 22:30:47 +0000 Roman Thilenius .pat? wtf.

i only wanted to point out the difference between .mxe and .mxo on mac. :D

]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/to-abstract-or-not-to-abstract-this-is-my-question/#post-203630 <![CDATA[Re: To Abstract or Not To Abstract, this is my question]]> http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/to-abstract-or-not-to-abstract-this-is-my-question/#post-203630 Sat, 07 May 2011 22:30:47 +0000 Roman Thilenius .pat? wtf.

i only wanted to point out the difference between .mxe and .mxo on mac. :D

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