Ryan

Quick question. I just bought Todd Winkler's book off Amazon

(Composing Interactive Music: Techniques and Ideas Using Max), but it

didn't come with the included CD-Rom. For anyone that has read the

book, is the CD extremely important, or is it just a quicker way to

work through examples? Also, does anyone know where I might be able

to score a copy of it? I have tried contacting the vendor who sold it

to me, but they haven't been much help. Thanks in advance, and thanks

for all the great information included within these threads. They

have been extremely valuable in my projects and study.

Quick question.  I just bought Todd Winkler's book off Amazon
(Composing Interactive Music: Techniques and Ideas Using Max), but it
didn't come with the included CD-Rom.  For anyone that has read the
book, is the CD extremely important, or is it just a quicker way to
work through examples?  Also, does anyone know where I might be able
to score a copy of it?  I have tried contacting the vendor who sold it
to me, but they haven't been much help.  Thanks in advance, and thanks
for all the great information included within these threads.  They
have been extremely valuable in my projects and study.

todd-winklers-book

I have the book with the CD; I haven't got round to reading it yet, so I

can't really answer your first question, but I could probably get a copy of

the CD's content to you - hailing as it does from System 7 days, the entire

> Quick question. I just bought Todd Winkler's book off Amazon

> (Composing Interactive Music: Techniques and Ideas Using Max), but it

> didn't come with the included CD-Rom. For anyone that has read the

> book, is the CD extremely important, or is it just a quicker way to

> work through examples? Also, does anyone know where I might be able

> to score a copy of it? I have tried contacting the vendor who sold it

> to me, but they haven't been much help. Thanks in advance, and thanks

> for all the great information included within these threads. They

> have been extremely valuable in my projects and study.

I have the book with the CD; I haven't got round to reading it yet, so I
can't really answer your first question, but I could probably get a copy of
the CD's content to you - hailing as it does from System 7 days, the entire
thing weighs in at around 10MB!
Cheers
Roger 

> Hey All,
>
> Quick question.  I just bought Todd Winkler's book off Amazon
> (Composing Interactive Music: Techniques and Ideas Using Max), but it
> didn't come with the included CD-Rom.  For anyone that has read the
> book, is the CD extremely important, or is it just a quicker way to
> work through examples?  Also, does anyone know where I might be able
> to score a copy of it?  I have tried contacting the vendor who sold it
> to me, but they haven't been much help.  Thanks in advance, and thanks
> for all the great information included within these threads.  They
> have been extremely valuable in my projects and study.

Ah, that would be fantastic. Maybe you could "yousendit" to me if

possible, otherwise any other option is fine too. Thank you very

> I have the book with the CD; I haven't got round to reading it yet, so I

> can't really answer your first question, but I could probably get a copy of

> the CD's content to you - hailing as it does from System 7 days, the entire

> > Quick question. I just bought Todd Winkler's book off Amazon

> > (Composing Interactive Music: Techniques and Ideas Using Max), but it

> > didn't come with the included CD-Rom. For anyone that has read the

> > book, is the CD extremely important, or is it just a quicker way to

> > work through examples? Also, does anyone know where I might be able

> > to score a copy of it? I have tried contacting the vendor who sold it

> > to me, but they haven't been much help. Thanks in advance, and thanks

> > for all the great information included within these threads. They

> > have been extremely valuable in my projects and study.

Ah, that would be fantastic.  Maybe you could "yousendit" to me if
possible, otherwise any other option is fine too.  Thank you very
much.

On 8/30/07, Roger Carruthers  wrote:
> I have the book with the CD; I haven't got round to reading it yet, so I
> can't really answer your first question, but I could probably get a copy of
> the CD's content to you - hailing as it does from System 7 days, the entire
> thing weighs in at around 10MB!
> Cheers
> Roger
>
>
> On 30/8/07 21:05, "Ryan Billia"  wrote:
>
> > Hey All,
> >
> > Quick question.  I just bought Todd Winkler's book off Amazon
> > (Composing Interactive Music: Techniques and Ideas Using Max), but it
> > didn't come with the included CD-Rom.  For anyone that has read the
> > book, is the CD extremely important, or is it just a quicker way to
> > work through examples?  Also, does anyone know where I might be able
> > to score a copy of it?  I have tried contacting the vendor who sold it
> > to me, but they haven't been much help.  Thanks in advance, and thanks
> > for all the great information included within these threads.  They
> > have been extremely valuable in my projects and study.
>
>
>

-----Original Message-----
From: "Ryan Billia" 

Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:05:03 
Subject: [maxmsp] Todd Winkler's Book

Subject: Re: [maxmsp] Todd Winkler's Book

-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Carruthers 

Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:25:03 
To:Max list 
Subject: Re: [maxmsp] Todd Winkler's Book

> Hey All,
>
> Quick question.  I just bought Todd Winkler's book off Amazon
> (Composing Interactive Music: Techniques and Ideas Using Max), but it
> didn't come with the included CD-Rom.  For anyone that has read the
> book, is the CD extremely important, or is it just a quicker way to
> work through examples?  Also, does anyone know where I might be able
> to score a copy of it?  I have tried contacting the vendor who sold it
> to me, but they haven't been much help.  Thanks in advance, and thanks
> for all the great information included within these threads.  They
> have been extremely valuable in my projects and study.


I've used the book to teach Max/MSP for a while, and I greatly 

recommend getting the CD-ROM - pretty much all the examples from the 

book are there - no need to code them up yourself. It also includes 

some other things which may or may not be useful, but the examples 

themselves are very helpful in turning the knowledge into experience.

On Aug 30, 2007, at 2:05 PM, Ryan Billia wrote:

I've used the book to teach Max/MSP for a while, and I greatly  
recommend getting the CD-ROM - pretty much all the examples from the  
book are there - no need to code them up yourself. It also includes  
some other things which may or may not be useful, but the examples  
themselves are very helpful in turning the knowledge into experience.

> Quick question.  I just bought Todd Winkler's book off Amazon
> (Composing Interactive Music: Techniques and Ideas Using Max), but it
> didn't come with the included CD-Rom.  For anyone that has read the
> book, is the CD extremely important, or is it just a quicker way to
> work through examples?  Also, does anyone know where I might be able
> to score a copy of it?  I have tried contacting the vendor who sold it
> to me, but they haven't been much help.  Thanks in advance, and thanks
> for all the great information included within these threads.  They
> have been extremely valuable in my projects and study.

----
Steven M. Miller
Professor, Contemporary Music Program
College of Santa Fe

Home 
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looked at your web site - interesting stuff. Where do you work on this?

I read through the entire book without loading up the CD-ROM examples at all... but I was looking for more theoretical knowledge rather than specific implementation ideas. So I guess what I'm saying is... it all depends on what you're looking to get out of it.

That being said... I have the CD at home and I'd be happy to send you the contents later tonight if you'd like them.

Quote: rbillia wrote on Thu, 30 August 2007 14:05

----------------------------------------------------

I read through the entire book without loading up the CD-ROM examples at all... but I was looking for more theoretical knowledge rather than specific implementation ideas.  So I guess what I'm saying is... it all depends on what you're looking to get out of it.

Quote: rbillia wrote on Thu, 30 August 2007 14:05
----------------------------------------------------
> Hey All,
>
> Quick question.  I just bought Todd Winkler's book off Amazon
> (Composing Interactive Music: Techniques and Ideas Using Max), but it
> didn't come with the included CD-Rom.  For anyone that has read the
> book, is the CD extremely important, or is it just a quicker way to
> work through examples?  Also, does anyone know where I might be able
> to score a copy of it?  I have tried contacting the vendor who sold it
> to me, but they haven't been much help.  Thanks in advance, and thanks
> for all the great information included within these threads.  They
> have been extremely valuable in my projects and study.
>
> -- 
> Ryan Billia
> www.ryanbillia.com
>
----------------------------------------------------


Dan, that would be great. Roger above said he would do the same, so

either one would be great. I am also more interested in the

theoretical stuff within the book, but being able to access the info

digitally would be great as well. I was told the contents only

equalled about 10 MB, so if it is easier to zip it and send it via

"yousendit" that is fine or any other way is fine as well. My direct

email is rbillia@gmail.com. Thank you very much for offering to send

Also, to Ron, thank you for checking out my site. I am based out of

NY. My site needs to be updated, most of that work is about 6 months

to a year old, and there is quite a bit of new stuff I am working on.

I am always interesting in checking into other's work as well as

discussing techniques and ideas, please feel free to pass on any

comments or links to your work. Thank you all for getting back so

quickly. Hopefully soon, my question will be more geared towards

> I read through the entire book without loading up the CD-ROM examples at all... but I was looking for more theoretical knowledge rather than specific implementation ideas. So I guess what I'm saying is... it all depends on what you're looking to get out of it.

> That being said... I have the CD at home and I'd be happy to send you the contents later tonight if you'd like them.

> Quote: rbillia wrote on Thu, 30 August 2007 14:05

> ----------------------------------------------------

Dan, that would be great.  Roger above said he would do the same, so
either one would be great.  I am also more interested in the
theoretical stuff within the book, but being able to access the info
digitally would be great as well.  I was told the contents only
equalled about 10 MB, so if it is easier to zip it and send it via
"yousendit" that is fine or any other way is fine as well.  My direct
email is rbillia@gmail.com.  Thank you very much for offering to send
it out.

Also, to Ron, thank you for checking out my site.  I am based out of
NY.  My site needs to be updated,  most of that work is about 6 months
to a year old, and there is quite a bit of new stuff I am working on.
I am always interesting in checking into other's work as well as
discussing techniques and ideas, please feel free to pass on any
comments or links to your work.  Thank you all for getting back so
quickly.  Hopefully soon, my question will be more geared towards
specific Max issues.

On 8/30/07, Dan  wrote:
>
> I read through the entire book without loading up the CD-ROM examples at all... but I was looking for more theoretical knowledge rather than specific implementation ideas.  So I guess what I'm saying is... it all depends on what you're looking to get out of it.
>
> That being said... I have the CD at home and I'd be happy to send you the contents later tonight if you'd like them.
>
> /dan
>
>
> Quote: rbillia wrote on Thu, 30 August 2007 14:05
> ----------------------------------------------------
> > Hey All,
> >
> > Quick question.  I just bought Todd Winkler's book off Amazon
> > (Composing Interactive Music: Techniques and Ideas Using Max), but it
> > didn't come with the included CD-Rom.  For anyone that has read the
> > book, is the CD extremely important, or is it just a quicker way to
> > work through examples?  Also, does anyone know where I might be able
> > to score a copy of it?  I have tried contacting the vendor who sold it
> > to me, but they haven't been much help.  Thanks in advance, and thanks
> > for all the great information included within these threads.  They
> > have been extremely valuable in my projects and study.
> >
> > --
> > Ryan Billia
> > www.ryanbillia.com
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------
>
>
>

Sure thing... I'm on the west coast so I won't be home from work for another 6 hours or so. Look for it sometime late tonight.

Quote: rbillia wrote on Thu, 30 August 2007 15:53

> Dan, that would be great. Roger above said he would do the same, so

> either one would be great. I am also more interested in the

> theoretical stuff within the book, but being able to access the info

> digitally would be great as well. I was told the contents only

> equalled about 10 MB, so if it is easier to zip it and send it via

> "yousendit" that is fine or any other way is fine as well. My direct

> email is rbillia@gmail.com. Thank you very much for offering to send

Sure thing... I'm on the west coast so I won't be home from work for another 6 hours or so.  Look for it sometime late tonight.

Quote: rbillia wrote on Thu, 30 August 2007 15:53
----------------------------------------------------
> Dan, that would be great.  Roger above said he would do the same, so
> either one would be great.  I am also more interested in the
> theoretical stuff within the book, but being able to access the info
> digitally would be great as well.  I was told the contents only
> equalled about 10 MB, so if it is easier to zip it and send it via
> "yousendit" that is fine or any other way is fine as well.  My direct
> email is rbillia@gmail.com.  Thank you very much for offering to send
> it out.

> Ryan Billia
> www.ryanbillia.com
>
----------------------------------------------------


the cd contains the patches used in the book. the patches and 

processes in the book are well documented so the cd isn't that 

important, since it's mainly patches it would be not much work to 

just ask me and will be more then happy to send it to you, but the 

book is at my school which I'll visit tomorrow

On 30 Aug 2007, at 22:25, Roger Carruthers wrote:

> I have the book with the CD; I haven't got round to reading it yet, 

> can't really answer your first question, but I could probably get a 

> the CD's content to you - hailing as it does from System 7 days, 

>> Quick question. I just bought Todd Winkler's book off Amazon

>> (Composing Interactive Music: Techniques and Ideas Using Max), but it

>> didn't come with the included CD-Rom. For anyone that has read the

>> book, is the CD extremely important, or is it just a quicker way to

>> work through examples? Also, does anyone know where I might be able

>> to score a copy of it? I have tried contacting the vendor who 

>> to me, but they haven't been much help. Thanks in advance, and 

>> for all the great information included within these threads. They

>> have been extremely valuable in my projects and study.

the cd contains the patches used in the book. the patches and  
processes in the book are well documented so the cd isn't that  
important, since it's mainly patches it would be not much work to  
send them somewhere if you want them.

just ask me and will be more then happy to send it to you, but the  
book is at my school which I'll visit tomorrow

> I have the book with the CD; I haven't got round to reading it yet,  
> so I
> can't really answer your first question, but I could probably get a  
> copy of
> the CD's content to you - hailing as it does from System 7 days,  
> the entire
> thing weighs in at around 10MB!
> Cheers
> Roger
>
>
> On 30/8/07 21:05, "Ryan Billia"  wrote:
>
>> Hey All,
>>
>> Quick question.  I just bought Todd Winkler's book off Amazon
>> (Composing Interactive Music: Techniques and Ideas Using Max), but it
>> didn't come with the included CD-Rom.  For anyone that has read the
>> book, is the CD extremely important, or is it just a quicker way to
>> work through examples?  Also, does anyone know where I might be able
>> to score a copy of it?  I have tried contacting the vendor who  
>> sold it
>> to me, but they haven't been much help.  Thanks in advance, and  
>> thanks
>> for all the great information included within these threads.  They
>> have been extremely valuable in my projects and study.
>
>
>


I have the book also. If you require the contents of the cd I can ftp over to you if you like.

Thank you all very much. I actually received a few "yousendit" files

last night, so I am all good with them. It is amazing how friendly

> I have the book also. If you require the contents of the cd I can ftp over to you if you like.

Thank you all very much.  I actually received a few "yousendit" files
last night, so I am all good with them.  It is amazing how friendly
and helpful MAXers are.

On 8/31/07, mark pilkington  wrote:
>
> I have the book also. If you require the contents of the cd I can ftp over to you if you like.
>
> mark pilkington
>

Just wondering, is this a good book? Wouldn't mind some reading material.

the book is a good introduction to max as an interactive midi device. It does mention msp slightly as the end of the book only because the book was published just as msp was being introduced. I picked up couple of tips from this book a few years ago when i was reading it. Definately borrow from the local library and give it a read.

the book is a good introduction to max as an interactive midi device.  It does mention msp slightly as the end of the book only because the book was published just as msp was being introduced.  I picked up couple of tips from this book a few years ago when i was reading it.  Definately borrow from the local library and give it a read.
cheers

As an alternative, this might be worth a look...

"Digital Interactive Installations: Programming Interactive Installations Using the Software Package Max/MSP/Jitter" by Frank Blum

Don't know how good it is yet... my copy is in the post.

but the description makes it seems like this guy's thesis, which generally dont make for good reads.

Quote: pixelmechanic wrote on Sat, 01 September 2007 07:07

> As an alternative, this might be worth a look...

> "Digital Interactive Installations: Programming Interactive Installations Using the Software Package Max/MSP/Jitter" by Frank Blum

> Don't know how good it is yet... my copy is in the post.

I was pretty disappointed with this book. Yes, it's a thesis, it's 88 pages and very expensive.

Quote: pixelmechanic wrote on Sat, 01 September 2007 07:07
----------------------------------------------------
> As an alternative, this might be worth a look...
>
> "Digital Interactive Installations: Programming Interactive Installations Using the Software Package Max/MSP/Jitter" by Frank Blum
>
> You can find it at Amazon...
>
> Don't know how good it is yet... my copy is in the post.
>
> Cheers
>
> Jules
----------------------------------------------------

I was pretty disappointed with this book.  Yes, it's a thesis, it's 88 pages and very expensive.

I have started to distribute the Cosmos application (for OSX). You 

I have started to distribute the Cosmos application (for OSX). You  
can find it on

Can someone tell me if there is a Inftrared or

bluetooth food pedal with at least 4 pedals tthat

Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search 

http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC

Can someone tell me if there is a Inftrared or
bluetooth  food pedal with at least 4 pedals tthat
will work with MAX?
thank you
Anya

Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search 
that gives answers, not web links. 
http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC


Well, I know m-audio makes a wireless MIDI interface. You 

could plug what ever device you wanted into it. As far as foot 

controllers go, I recommend the Berringer FCB1010.

Well, I know m-audio makes a wireless MIDI interface. You 
could plug what ever device you wanted into it. As far as foot 
controllers go, I recommend the Berringer FCB1010.


> I was pretty disappointed with this book. Yes, it's a thesis, it's 

This may be so, but it does contain some interesting approaches to 

interactive music - pitch and rhythm analysis, musical gestures, etc. 

and offers a framework for interactive computer music theory. There 

are some very interesting biases in the book, assumptions about how 

people listen to and enjoy music that are worth thinking about. 

Useful as a historical document, it reminds one how much can be done 

with MIDI alone, its limitations, etc. something it seems many have 

Personally I borrowed the book from the library [yes, for FREE!] and 

read it without the CD examples. I searched around online for the 

examples and found nothing, so am pleased to see this thread. It 

would be brilliant if someone who had these on their computer could 

post some of them here so others may find them, and to rescue them 

It is true the patches are shown in the book, but due to 

encapsulation and beautifully drawn segmented, overlapping, ambiguous 

patch cords, it would be immensely difficult to reconstruct the 

Would a kind person who has the examples be able to post them? If 

not, could someone send them to me as well? They are definitely worth 

studying and should be part of the archive of this forum.

>
> I was pretty disappointed with this book.  Yes, it's a thesis, it's  
> 88 pages and very expensive.
>

This may be so, but it does contain some interesting approaches to  
interactive music - pitch and rhythm analysis, musical gestures, etc.  
and offers a framework for interactive computer music theory. There  
are some very interesting biases in the book, assumptions about how  
people listen to and enjoy music that are worth thinking about.  
Useful as a historical document, it reminds one how much can be done  
with MIDI alone, its limitations, etc. something it seems many have  
forgotten, or choose to ignore.

Personally I borrowed the book from the library [yes, for FREE!] and  
read it without the CD examples. I searched around online for the  
examples and found nothing, so am pleased to see this thread. It  
would be brilliant if someone who had these on their computer could  
post some of them here so others may find them, and to rescue them  
from the System 7 graveyard.

It is true the patches are shown in the book, but due to  
encapsulation and beautifully drawn segmented, overlapping, ambiguous  
patch cords, it would be immensely difficult to reconstruct the  
patches from the illustrations.

Would a kind person who has the examples be able to post them? If  
not, could someone send them to me as well? They are definitely worth  
studying and should be part of the archive of this forum.

alternate tuning system
tune out. turn off. drop in.

i just bought the book as well.. i'm really liking it. it also came with the CD.. some of the objects used in the examples are no longer used but thats not to big of a problem.. some of the most interesting examples are of the RTC lib. very informative.. i

i just bought the book as well.. i'm really liking it.  it also came with the CD.. some of the objects used in the examples are no longer used but thats not to big of a problem.. some of the most interesting examples are of the RTC lib.  very informative.. i


(to focus this thread, i am intererested in Frank Blum's book on 

digital interactive installations, which is indeed a thesis.

https://www.diplom.de/db/diplomarbeiten10284.html

>Quote: pixelmechanic wrote on Sat, 01 September 2007 07:07

>----------------------------------------------------

>> As an alternative, this might be worth a look...

>> "Digital Interactive Installations: Programming Interactive 

>>Installations Using the Software Package Max/MSP/Jitter" by Frank 

>> Don't know how good it is yet... my copy is in the post.

>I was pretty disappointed with this book. Yes, it's a thesis, it's 

>|| michael f. zbyszynski -- molecular gastronimist

is it worth for teaching, for students?
(to focus this thread, i am intererested in Frank Blum's book on 
digital interactive installations, which is indeed a thesis.
see summary on https://www.diplom.de/db/diplomarbeiten10284.html )

>Quote: pixelmechanic wrote on Sat, 01 September 2007 07:07
>----------------------------------------------------
>>  As an alternative, this might be worth a look...
>>
>>  "Digital Interactive Installations: Programming Interactive 
>>Installations Using the Software Package Max/MSP/Jitter" by Frank 
>>Blum
>>
>>  You can find it at Amazon...
>>
>>  Don't know how good it is yet... my copy is in the post.
>>
>>  Cheers
>>
>>  Jules
>----------------------------------------------------
>
>I was pretty disappointed with this book.  Yes, it's a thesis, it's 
>88 pages and very expensive.
>
>mz
>
>
>--
>|| michael f. zbyszynski -- molecular gastronimist
>|| http://www.cnmat.berkeley.edu/
>|| http://www.mikezed.com/
>
>
>
>
>

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Yes, I was expressing my disappointment in the Blum book. It is an outline of how he did his thesis installation; not a general text on installations.

Not worth it for anything, IMHO. See if you can borrow a copy.

Quote: Yves Bernard wrote on Mon, 03 September 2007 12:44

> is it worth for teaching, for students?

> (to focus this thread, i am intererested in Frank Blum's book on 

> digital interactive installations, which is indeed a thesis.

> >Quote: pixelmechanic wrote on Sat, 01 September 2007 07:07