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Todd Winkler's Book

August 30, 2007 | 8:05 pm

Hey All,

Quick question. I just bought Todd Winkler’s book off Amazon
(Composing Interactive Music: Techniques and Ideas Using Max), but it
didn’t come with the included CD-Rom. For anyone that has read the
book, is the CD extremely important, or is it just a quicker way to
work through examples? Also, does anyone know where I might be able
to score a copy of it? I have tried contacting the vendor who sold it
to me, but they haven’t been much help. Thanks in advance, and thanks
for all the great information included within these threads. They
have been extremely valuable in my projects and study.


Ryan Billia
http://www.ryanbillia.com


August 30, 2007 | 8:25 pm

I have the book with the CD; I haven’t got round to reading it yet, so I
can’t really answer your first question, but I could probably get a copy of
the CD’s content to you – hailing as it does from System 7 days, the entire
thing weighs in at around 10MB!
Cheers
Roger

On 30/8/07 21:05, "Ryan Billia" wrote:

> Hey All,
>
> Quick question. I just bought Todd Winkler’s book off Amazon
> (Composing Interactive Music: Techniques and Ideas Using Max), but it
> didn’t come with the included CD-Rom. For anyone that has read the
> book, is the CD extremely important, or is it just a quicker way to
> work through examples? Also, does anyone know where I might be able
> to score a copy of it? I have tried contacting the vendor who sold it
> to me, but they haven’t been much help. Thanks in advance, and thanks
> for all the great information included within these threads. They
> have been extremely valuable in my projects and study.


August 30, 2007 | 8:40 pm

Ah, that would be fantastic. Maybe you could "yousendit" to me if
possible, otherwise any other option is fine too. Thank you very
much.

On 8/30/07, Roger Carruthers wrote:
> I have the book with the CD; I haven’t got round to reading it yet, so I
> can’t really answer your first question, but I could probably get a copy of
> the CD’s content to you – hailing as it does from System 7 days, the entire
> thing weighs in at around 10MB!
> Cheers
> Roger
>
>
> On 30/8/07 21:05, "Ryan Billia" wrote:
>
> > Hey All,
> >
> > Quick question. I just bought Todd Winkler’s book off Amazon
> > (Composing Interactive Music: Techniques and Ideas Using Max), but it
> > didn’t come with the included CD-Rom. For anyone that has read the
> > book, is the CD extremely important, or is it just a quicker way to
> > work through examples? Also, does anyone know where I might be able
> > to score a copy of it? I have tried contacting the vendor who sold it
> > to me, but they haven’t been much help. Thanks in advance, and thanks
> > for all the great information included within these threads. They
> > have been extremely valuable in my projects and study.
>
>
>


Ryan Billia
http://www.ryanbillia.com


August 30, 2007 | 8:43 pm

Im on a phone

Sorry
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

—–Original Message—–
From: "Ryan Billia"

Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:05:03
Subject: [maxmsp] Todd Winkler’s Book

Hey All,

Quick question. I just bought Todd Winkler’s book off Amazon
(Composing Interactive Music: Techniques and Ideas Using Max), but it
didn’t come with the included CD-Rom. For anyone that has read the
book, is the CD extremely important, or is it just a quicker way to
work through examples? Also, does anyone know where I might be able
to score a copy of it? I have tried contacting the vendor who sold it
to me, but they haven’t been much help. Thanks in advance, and thanks
for all the great information included within these threads. They
have been extremely valuable in my projects and study.


Ryan Billia
http://www.ryanbillia.com


August 30, 2007 | 8:49 pm

Disregard that last message

My apologies
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

—–Original Message—–
From: Roger Carruthers

Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:25:03
To:Max list
Subject: Re: [maxmsp] Todd Winkler’s Book

I have the book with the CD; I haven’t got round to reading it yet, so I
can’t really answer your first question, but I could probably get a copy of
the CD’s content to you – hailing as it does from System 7 days, the entire
thing weighs in at around 10MB!
Cheers
Roger

On 30/8/07 21:05, "Ryan Billia" wrote:

> Hey All,
>
> Quick question. I just bought Todd Winkler’s book off Amazon
> (Composing Interactive Music: Techniques and Ideas Using Max), but it
> didn’t come with the included CD-Rom. For anyone that has read the
> book, is the CD extremely important, or is it just a quicker way to
> work through examples? Also, does anyone know where I might be able
> to score a copy of it? I have tried contacting the vendor who sold it
> to me, but they haven’t been much help. Thanks in advance, and thanks
> for all the great information included within these threads. They
> have been extremely valuable in my projects and study.


August 30, 2007 | 8:59 pm

I’ve used the book to teach Max/MSP for a while, and I greatly
recommend getting the CD-ROM – pretty much all the examples from the
book are there – no need to code them up yourself. It also includes
some other things which may or may not be useful, but the examples
themselves are very helpful in turning the knowledge into experience.

On Aug 30, 2007, at 2:05 PM, Ryan Billia wrote:

> Quick question. I just bought Todd Winkler’s book off Amazon
> (Composing Interactive Music: Techniques and Ideas Using Max), but it
> didn’t come with the included CD-Rom. For anyone that has read the
> book, is the CD extremely important, or is it just a quicker way to
> work through examples? Also, does anyone know where I might be able
> to score a copy of it? I have tried contacting the vendor who sold it
> to me, but they haven’t been much help. Thanks in advance, and thanks
> for all the great information included within these threads. They
> have been extremely valuable in my projects and study.

—-
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Professor, Contemporary Music Program
College of Santa Fe

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http://atrium.csf.edu>
OVOS <
http://pubweb.csf.edu/~smill/ovos.html>
CMP <
http://www.csf.edu/csf/academics/cmp/index.html>


August 30, 2007 | 9:11 pm

hi,

looked at your web site – interesting stuff. Where do you work on this?

ron

Ryan Billia wrote: Hey All,

Quick question. I just bought Todd Winkler’s book off Amazon
(Composing Interactive Music: Techniques and Ideas Using Max), but it
didn’t come with the included CD-Rom. For anyone that has read the
book, is the CD extremely important, or is it just a quicker way to
work through examples? Also, does anyone know where I might be able
to score a copy of it? I have tried contacting the vendor who sold it
to me, but they haven’t been much help. Thanks in advance, and thanks
for all the great information included within these threads. They
have been extremely valuable in my projects and study.


Ryan Billia
http://www.ryanbillia.com


August 30, 2007 | 9:31 pm

I read through the entire book without loading up the CD-ROM examples at all… but I was looking for more theoretical knowledge rather than specific implementation ideas. So I guess what I’m saying is… it all depends on what you’re looking to get out of it.

That being said… I have the CD at home and I’d be happy to send you the contents later tonight if you’d like them.

/dan

Quote: rbillia wrote on Thu, 30 August 2007 14:05
—————————————————-
> Hey All,
>
> Quick question. I just bought Todd Winkler’s book off Amazon
> (Composing Interactive Music: Techniques and Ideas Using Max), but it
> didn’t come with the included CD-Rom. For anyone that has read the
> book, is the CD extremely important, or is it just a quicker way to
> work through examples? Also, does anyone know where I might be able
> to score a copy of it? I have tried contacting the vendor who sold it
> to me, but they haven’t been much help. Thanks in advance, and thanks
> for all the great information included within these threads. They
> have been extremely valuable in my projects and study.
>
> —
> Ryan Billia
> http://www.ryanbillia.com
>
—————————————————-


August 30, 2007 | 9:53 pm

Dan, that would be great. Roger above said he would do the same, so
either one would be great. I am also more interested in the
theoretical stuff within the book, but being able to access the info
digitally would be great as well. I was told the contents only
equalled about 10 MB, so if it is easier to zip it and send it via
"yousendit" that is fine or any other way is fine as well. My direct
email is rbillia@gmail.com. Thank you very much for offering to send
it out.

Also, to Ron, thank you for checking out my site. I am based out of
NY. My site needs to be updated, most of that work is about 6 months
to a year old, and there is quite a bit of new stuff I am working on.
I am always interesting in checking into other’s work as well as
discussing techniques and ideas, please feel free to pass on any
comments or links to your work. Thank you all for getting back so
quickly. Hopefully soon, my question will be more geared towards
specific Max issues.

On 8/30/07, Dan

wrote:
>
> I read through the entire book without loading up the CD-ROM examples at all… but I was looking for more theoretical knowledge rather than specific implementation ideas. So I guess what I’m saying is… it all depends on what you’re looking to get out of it.
>
> That being said… I have the CD at home and I’d be happy to send you the contents later tonight if you’d like them.
>
> /dan
>
>
> Quote: rbillia wrote on Thu, 30 August 2007 14:05
> —————————————————-
> > Hey All,
> >
> > Quick question. I just bought Todd Winkler’s book off Amazon
> > (Composing Interactive Music: Techniques and Ideas Using Max), but it
> > didn’t come with the included CD-Rom. For anyone that has read the
> > book, is the CD extremely important, or is it just a quicker way to
> > work through examples? Also, does anyone know where I might be able
> > to score a copy of it? I have tried contacting the vendor who sold it
> > to me, but they haven’t been much help. Thanks in advance, and thanks
> > for all the great information included within these threads. They
> > have been extremely valuable in my projects and study.
> >
> > –
> > Ryan Billia
> > http://www.ryanbillia.com
> >
> —————————————————-
>
>
>


Ryan Billia
http://www.ryanbillia.com


August 30, 2007 | 10:08 pm

Sure thing… I’m on the west coast so I won’t be home from work for another 6 hours or so. Look for it sometime late tonight.

/dan

Quote: rbillia wrote on Thu, 30 August 2007 15:53
—————————————————-
> Dan, that would be great. Roger above said he would do the same, so
> either one would be great. I am also more interested in the
> theoretical stuff within the book, but being able to access the info
> digitally would be great as well. I was told the contents only
> equalled about 10 MB, so if it is easier to zip it and send it via
> "yousendit" that is fine or any other way is fine as well. My direct
> email is rbillia@gmail.com. Thank you very much for offering to send
> it out.

> Ryan Billia
> http://www.ryanbillia.com
>
—————————————————-


August 31, 2007 | 8:15 am

the cd contains the patches used in the book. the patches and
processes in the book are well documented so the cd isn’t that
important, since it’s mainly patches it would be not much work to
send them somewhere if you want them.

just ask me and will be more then happy to send it to you, but the
book is at my school which I’ll visit tomorrow

grtz

On 30 Aug 2007, at 22:25, Roger Carruthers wrote:

> I have the book with the CD; I haven’t got round to reading it yet,
> so I
> can’t really answer your first question, but I could probably get a
> copy of
> the CD’s content to you – hailing as it does from System 7 days,
> the entire
> thing weighs in at around 10MB!
> Cheers
> Roger
>
>
> On 30/8/07 21:05, "Ryan Billia" wrote:
>
>> Hey All,
>>
>> Quick question. I just bought Todd Winkler’s book off Amazon
>> (Composing Interactive Music: Techniques and Ideas Using Max), but it
>> didn’t come with the included CD-Rom. For anyone that has read the
>> book, is the CD extremely important, or is it just a quicker way to
>> work through examples? Also, does anyone know where I might be able
>> to score a copy of it? I have tried contacting the vendor who
>> sold it
>> to me, but they haven’t been much help. Thanks in advance, and
>> thanks
>> for all the great information included within these threads. They
>> have been extremely valuable in my projects and study.
>
>
>


August 31, 2007 | 1:16 pm

I have the book also. If you require the contents of the cd I can ftp over to you if you like.

mark pilkington


August 31, 2007 | 2:39 pm

Thank you all very much. I actually received a few "yousendit" files
last night, so I am all good with them. It is amazing how friendly
and helpful MAXers are.

On 8/31/07, mark pilkington wrote:
>
> I have the book also. If you require the contents of the cd I can ftp over to you if you like.
>
> mark pilkington
>


Ryan Billia
http://www.ryanbillia.com


September 1, 2007 | 1:05 am

Just wondering, is this a good book? Wouldn’t mind some reading material.


September 1, 2007 | 2:15 am

the book is a good introduction to max as an interactive midi device. It does mention msp slightly as the end of the book only because the book was published just as msp was being introduced. I picked up couple of tips from this book a few years ago when i was reading it. Definately borrow from the local library and give it a read.
cheers

mark p


September 1, 2007 | 2:07 pm

As an alternative, this might be worth a look…

"Digital Interactive Installations: Programming Interactive Installations Using the Software Package Max/MSP/Jitter" by Frank Blum

You can find it at Amazon…

Don’t know how good it is yet… my copy is in the post.

Cheers

Jules


September 2, 2007 | 7:35 pm

do say how the book is when you get it.

it looks like a very interesting topic

but the description makes it seems like this guy’s thesis, which generally dont make for good reads.

its also only 88pages, and expensive..


September 2, 2007 | 8:31 pm

Quote: pixelmechanic wrote on Sat, 01 September 2007 07:07
—————————————————-
> As an alternative, this might be worth a look…
>
> "Digital Interactive Installations: Programming Interactive Installations Using the Software Package Max/MSP/Jitter" by Frank Blum
>
> You can find it at Amazon…
>
> Don’t know how good it is yet… my copy is in the post.
>
> Cheers
>
> Jules
—————————————————-

I was pretty disappointed with this book. Yes, it’s a thesis, it’s 88 pages and very expensive.

mz


September 3, 2007 | 7:23 am

I have started to distribute the Cosmos application (for OSX). You
can find it on

http://www.sonic-disorder.com

best

Sinan Bokesoy


September 3, 2007 | 8:31 am

Can someone tell me if there is a Inftrared or
bluetooth food pedal with at least 4 pedals tthat
will work with MAX?
thank you
Anya

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that gives answers, not web links.

http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC


September 3, 2007 | 3:15 pm

Well, I know m-audio makes a wireless MIDI interface. You
could plug what ever device you wanted into it. As far as foot
controllers go, I recommend the Berringer FCB1010.


September 3, 2007 | 3:32 pm

>
> I was pretty disappointed with this book. Yes, it’s a thesis, it’s
> 88 pages and very expensive.
>

This may be so, but it does contain some interesting approaches to
interactive music – pitch and rhythm analysis, musical gestures, etc.
and offers a framework for interactive computer music theory. There
are some very interesting biases in the book, assumptions about how
people listen to and enjoy music that are worth thinking about.
Useful as a historical document, it reminds one how much can be done
with MIDI alone, its limitations, etc. something it seems many have
forgotten, or choose to ignore.

Personally I borrowed the book from the library [yes, for FREE!] and
read it without the CD examples. I searched around online for the
examples and found nothing, so am pleased to see this thread. It
would be brilliant if someone who had these on their computer could
post some of them here so others may find them, and to rescue them
from the System 7 graveyard.

It is true the patches are shown in the book, but due to
encapsulation and beautifully drawn segmented, overlapping, ambiguous
patch cords, it would be immensely difficult to reconstruct the
patches from the illustrations.

Would a kind person who has the examples be able to post them? If
not, could someone send them to me as well? They are definitely worth
studying and should be part of the archive of this forum.

DLBond

alternate tuning system
tune out. turn off. drop in.

dlbond@mts.net


September 3, 2007 | 4:28 pm



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September 3, 2007 | 6:58 pm

i just bought the book as well.. i’m really liking it. it also came with the CD.. some of the objects used in the examples are no longer used but thats not to big of a problem.. some of the most interesting examples are of the RTC lib. very informative.. i


September 3, 2007 | 7:44 pm

is it worth for teaching, for students?
(to focus this thread, i am intererested in Frank Blum’s book on
digital interactive installations, which is indeed a thesis.
see summary on https://www.diplom.de/db/diplomarbeiten10284.html )

>Quote: pixelmechanic wrote on Sat, 01 September 2007 07:07
>—————————————————-
>> As an alternative, this might be worth a look…
>>
>> "Digital Interactive Installations: Programming Interactive
>>Installations Using the Software Package Max/MSP/Jitter" by Frank
>>Blum
>>
>> You can find it at Amazon…
>>
>> Don’t know how good it is yet… my copy is in the post.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Jules
>—————————————————-
>
>I was pretty disappointed with this book. Yes, it’s a thesis, it’s
>88 pages and very expensive.
>
>mz
>
>
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>|| http://www.cnmat.berkeley.edu/
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>
>
>
>
>


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September 3, 2007 | 8:01 pm

Hi Yves-

Yes, I was expressing my disappointment in the Blum book. It is an outline of how he did his thesis installation; not a general text on installations.

Not worth it for anything, IMHO. See if you can borrow a copy.

mz

Quote: Yves Bernard wrote on Mon, 03 September 2007 12:44
—————————————————-
> is it worth for teaching, for students?
> (to focus this thread, i am intererested in Frank Blum’s book on
> digital interactive installations, which is indeed a thesis.
> see summary on https://www.diplom.de/db/diplomarbeiten10284.html )
>
>
> >Quote: pixelmechanic wrote on Sat, 01 September 2007 07:07
> >—————————————————-
> >> As an alternative, this might be worth a look…
> >>
> >> "Digital Interactive Installations: Programming Interactive
> >>Installations Using the Software Package Max/MSP/Jitter" by Frank
> >>Blum
> >>


> >
> >I was pretty disappointed with this book.


September 4, 2007 | 8:42 pm

Yves Bernard schrieb:
> (to focus this thread, i am intererested in Frank Blum’s book on digital
> interactive installations, which is indeed a thesis.
> see summary on https://www.diplom.de/db/diplomarbeiten10284.html )

I am sure he would sell more than 4 times as many if the price would be
10 Euros for the downloadable copy…

Stefan


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September 5, 2007 | 7:48 pm

Note to self: read the amazon descriptions more closely next time! Particularly number of pages…

Haven’t been back to this thread for a few days… was very disappointed when the very slim book arrived this morning.

If anyone wants to read my masters thesis which looked at interactions using javascript and lcd object, you can do so for free at:

http://blue.caad.ed.ac.uk/infrared/_getResource.cfm?id=9565

and maybe look at this thread too…

http://www.cycling74.com/forums/index.php?t=msg&rid=4182&S=4ec8a3d8073779a638692debac5162a0&th=21127&goto=76774#msg_76774

Cheers

Jules

> >Quote: pixelmechanic wrote on Sat, 01 September 2007 07:07
> >—————————————————-
> >> As an alternative, this might be worth a look…
> >>
> >> "Digital Interactive Installations: Programming Interactive
> >>Installations Using the Software Package Max/MSP/Jitter" by Frank
> >>Blum
> >>


December 16, 2012 | 9:29 pm

Hi everyone,

I just joined the Cycling 74 forums to post in this thread. I bought Winkler’s book used, and it did not come with the CD ROM. I was excited to see this thread, of course: ) Would someone possibly be able to send me the contents of the CD ROM? My email is tommyecho@gmail.com.

Thanks!

Tom


December 16, 2012 | 9:36 pm

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