Kasper

sorry - it really seems there is something i did not get in this UB thing....

Always thought UB stands for "universal binary" and that thise meant 

you could use it on PPC macs AND Intel macs (running osX48 in my case)

but it seems all UB maxmsp objects (that's those with .mxo , right??) 

do not show in my max patches, or rather show but without 

inlets/outlets... or at least it just happend with a few objects from 

different sources (all 3rd party so far... CNMAT, Olaf Matthes...)

so does it mean than UB is universal only on intel macs (???) or that 

my max is not UB-ready (yes I still use the very old 457 version) ??

Always thought UB stands for "universal binary" and that thise meant 
you could use it on PPC macs AND Intel macs (running osX48 in my case)

but it seems all UB maxmsp objects (that's those with .mxo , right??) 
do not show in my max patches, or rather show but without 
inlets/outlets... or at least it just happend with a few objects from 
different sources (all 3rd party so far... CNMAT, Olaf Matthes...)

so does it mean than UB is universal only on intel macs (???) or that 
my max is not UB-ready (yes I still use the very old 457 version) ??

kasper
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> sorry - it really seems there is something i did not get in this UB 

> Always thought UB stands for "universal binary" and that thise meant you 

> could use it on PPC macs AND Intel macs (running osX48 in my case)

> but it seems all UB maxmsp objects (that's those with .mxo , right??) do 

> not show in my max patches, or rather show but without inlets/outlets... 

> or at least it just happend with a few objects from different sources 

> (all 3rd party so far... CNMAT, Olaf Matthes...)

.mxo does not really mean UB. In max 4.5 .mxo were introduced so there 

are pre-UB .mxo externals around. Another thing (at least with my 

externals) is .mxo externals for Max 4.6 that link to other libraries. 

Sometimes these libraries are not (yet) available as UB so, there is one 

PPC and one Intel Mac external (both .mxo, of course) for Max 4.6 and 

another .mxo for Max 4.5. Pretty confusing, right?

Kasper T Toeplitz wrote:
> hi
>
> sorry - it really seems there is something i did not get in this UB 
> thing....
>
> Always thought UB stands for "universal binary" and that thise meant you 
> could use it on PPC macs AND Intel macs (running osX48 in my case)
>
> but it seems all UB maxmsp objects (that's those with .mxo , right??) do 
> not show in my max patches, or rather show but without inlets/outlets... 
> or at least it just happend with a few objects from different sources 
> (all 3rd party so far... CNMAT, Olaf Matthes...)

.mxo does not really mean UB. In max 4.5 .mxo were introduced so there 
are pre-UB .mxo externals around. Another thing (at least with my 
externals) is .mxo externals for Max 4.6 that link to other libraries. 
Sometimes these libraries are not (yet) available as UB so, there is one 
PPC and one Intel Mac external (both .mxo, of course) for Max 4.6 and 
another .mxo for Max 4.5. Pretty confusing, right?

that's why your gigaverb~.mxo does not have in/outlets on my PPC max457???

(by the way I posted a few days ago a mail about gigaverb~ - ppc 

version - crashing max later or sooner IF i change its second 

agrument (in the range 1-100, I tried with 45..). This was confirmed 

by a friend, on his own PPC... I never saw this mail on the list....)

(by the way I posted a few days ago a mail about gigaverb~ - ppc 
version - crashing max later or sooner IF i change its second 
agrument  (in the range 1-100, I tried with 45..). This was confirmed 
by a friend, on his own PPC... I never saw this mail on the list....)

> that's why your gigaverb~.mxo does not have in/outlets on my PPC max457???

Usually Max 4.5.mxo externals crash Max when you try to load them in Max 

You really have to check whether you downloaded the right version (Max 

4.5 versus 4.6) and make sure not to have any other copies of it in the 

Max search path. The bad thing is you can't see from looking at the 

files whether they are 4.5 or 4.6. So the best thing is to donwload the 

> (by the way I posted a few days ago a mail about gigaverb~ - ppc version 

> - crashing max later or sooner IF i change its second agrument (in the 

> range 1-100, I tried with 45..). This was confirmed by a friend, on his 

> own PPC... I never saw this mail on the list....)

I just tested it here, changing the second creation argument did not 

crash on a MacBook using Max 4.6 and the gigaverb~1.0test5 UB, don't 

have a PPC at hand right now to test it there.

Kasper T Toeplitz wrote:
>>  Pretty confusing, right?
>>
>>
>
>
> you bet
>
> that's why your gigaverb~.mxo does not have in/outlets on my PPC max457???

Usually Max 4.5.mxo externals crash Max when you try to load them in Max 
4.6.
You really have to check whether you downloaded the right version (Max 
4.5 versus 4.6) and make sure not to have any other copies of it in the 
Max search path. The bad thing is you can't see from looking at the 
files whether they are 4.5 or 4.6. So the best thing is to donwload the 
externals again.

> (by the way I posted a few days ago a mail about gigaverb~ - ppc version 
> - crashing max later or sooner IF i change its second agrument  (in the 
> range 1-100, I tried with 45..). This was confirmed by a friend, on his 
> own PPC... I never saw this mail on the list....)

I just tested it here, changing the second creation argument did not 
crash on a MacBook using Max 4.6 and the gigaverb~1.0test5 UB, don't 
have a PPC at hand right now to test it there.

>>(by the way I posted a few days ago a mail about gigaverb~ - ppc 

>>version - crashing max later or sooner IF i change its second 

>>agrument (in the range 1-100, I tried with 45..). This was 

>>confirmed by a friend, on his own PPC... I never saw this mail on 

>I just tested it here, changing the second creation argument did not 

>crash on a MacBook using Max 4.6 and the gigaverb~1.0test5 UB, don't 

>have a PPC at hand right now to test it there.

I does not crash max immediately. usually in the 2-10 minutes - I 

just tried it again, changed the 15 value To 25 (in the help patch) 

put the dsp back on on the patch I am working on....multi-coloured 

could the spead be a message (not an argument)?

>
>
>>(by the way I posted a few days ago a mail about gigaverb~ - ppc 
>>version - crashing max later or sooner IF i change its second 
>>agrument  (in the range 1-100, I tried with 45..). This was 
>>confirmed by a friend, on his own PPC... I never saw this mail on 
>>the list....)
>
>I just tested it here, changing the second creation argument did not 
>crash on a MacBook using Max 4.6 and the gigaverb~1.0test5 UB, don't 
>have a PPC at hand right now to test it there.

I does not crash max immediately. usually in the 2-10 minutes - I 
just tried it again, changed the 15 value To 25 (in the help patch) 
put the dsp back on on the patch I am working on....multi-coloured 
balloon.... max quits

> so does it mean than UB is universal only on intel macs (???) or that my 

> max is not UB-ready (yes I still use the very old 457 version) ??

The latter, UB requires 4.6.x But you can safely install 4.6 and still 

keep your old 4.5.7 install as the places where stuff is stored has 

changed as well, they should not interfere....

Kasper T Toeplitz schrieb:
> so does it mean than UB is universal only on intel macs (???) or that my 
> max is not UB-ready (yes I still use the very old 457 version) ??

The latter, UB requires 4.6.x But you can safely install 4.6 and still 
keep your old 4.5.7 install as the places where stuff is stored has 
changed as well, they should not interfere....

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