John Phillips

I searched around (probably not enough) but didn't find what I was looking for... is it possible to run a Max/MSP patch with say, 200 buffers and some effects AND have jitter outputting video on a 1 GHz powerbook? I'm considering upgrading to Jitter 1.5 from 1.2x and am looking for feedback.

using-jitter-live-with-msp

well, I dont have a 100% answer for you (I really havent explored the 

MSP land unfortunately..), but if you use GL you will save the CPU 

from dealing with more stuff from jitter.

but the answer will really depend on how bad-ass your rig is.

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well, I dont have a 100% answer for you (I really havent explored the  
MSP land unfortunately..), but if you use GL you will save the CPU  
from dealing with more stuff from jitter.

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LIVE! I LIVE! I LIVE! I LIVE!

You will not be saved by the Holy Ghost. You will not be saved by the  
God Plutonium.

Thanks for both your suggestions - realize the question is a bit vague... I think what I'm hoping to hear is that folks do use Max/MSP and Jitter together in performance situations and get adequate fps from Jitter. I'm usually using about 300Mb of sound samples plus some effects.

I'm perhaps too conservative, but I'd never do both on a

single machine under those circumstances. Never.

I'm perhaps too conservative, but I'd never do both on a
single machine under those circumstances. Never.


Thanks Gregory - from your mouth so to speak, that information means a lot!

well, if it's all you got, it sure is worth trying?

On Feb 17, 2006, at 12:20 PM, John Phillips wrote:

> Thanks Gregory - from your mouth so to speak, that information 

I wouldn't assume anything by this (save for the fact that I'm

running a similar machine) other than that I REALLY prefer

to play it safe. It might also not surprise you terrifically to

discover that I shake my head in mute stupefaction at the

occasional "Hi! I've got an important gig tonight and the new

beta release of MSP isn't behaving as I expect it to. Help

help help!" post when it appears here. SImilar stuff in play.

Although I enjoy improvising, I prefer to restrict the zone in

I should also point out that I've not done any real visual

stuff since slabbing came along - it's true that using your

GPU can really save the cycles, although I have no direct

experience with the CPU savings for throbbing textured

techno-torii. :-) Such video as I have done is like what I

do with audio - it's simple and quiet and slow (and boring

or "alus" (refined), depending on your point of view).

The possible instructive dilemma that might result from trying

to do both on the same machine is that it would be a great way

to discover precisely how to optimize your particular patch (and

I don't mean that there's only one way to do that). Lots of folks

who work with max, in my experience, program right out there

on the hairy edge of things [having perhaps arrived at the

occasionally erroneous assumption that having lots of

samples or a squillion processing options will mean you're

a better performer] and never have the urge to correct it.

Suddenly worrying about Jitter frame rates/whether to run

in Overdrive or not/etc. might wonderfully focus the mind.

In this case, I speak for myself alone - more isn't necessarily

>
> Thanks Gregory - from your mouth so to speak, that information  
> means a lot!

I wouldn't assume anything by this (save for the fact that I'm
running a similar machine) other than that I REALLY prefer
to play it safe. It might also not surprise you terrifically to
discover that I shake my head in mute stupefaction at the
occasional "Hi! I've got an important gig tonight and the new
beta release of MSP isn't behaving as I expect it to. Help
help help!" post when it appears here. SImilar stuff in play.
Although I enjoy improvising, I prefer to restrict the zone in
which I work, when I can.

I should also point out that I've not done any real visual
stuff since slabbing came along - it's true that using your
GPU can really save the cycles, although I have no direct
experience with the CPU savings for throbbing textured
techno-torii. :-) Such video as I have done is like what I
do with audio - it's simple and quiet and slow (and boring
or "alus" (refined), depending on your point of view).

The possible instructive dilemma that might result from trying
to do both on the same machine is that it would be a great way
to discover precisely how to optimize your particular patch (and
I don't mean that there's only one way to do that). Lots of folks
who work with max, in my experience, program right out there
on the hairy edge of things [having perhaps arrived at the
occasionally erroneous assumption that having lots of
samples or a squillion processing options will mean you're
a better performer] and never have the urge to correct it.
Suddenly worrying about Jitter frame rates/whether to run
in Overdrive or not/etc. might wonderfully focus the mind.

In this case, I speak for myself alone - more isn't necessarily
better.


On Feb 17, 2006, at 12:25 PM, Peter Nyboer wrote:

> well, if it's all you got, it sure is worth trying?

Particularly if you're the sort of person who innovates

Particularly if you're the sort of person who innovates
well in the face of constraint.


I would perhaps be less conservative, and recommend seeing what you come 

up with. I've been able to do quite a lot with a 1GHz powerbook, but it 

Sometimes such restraints can lead you to brilliant solutions.

I would perhaps be less conservative, and recommend seeing what you come 
up with.  I've been able to do quite a lot with a 1GHz powerbook, but it 
requires a lot of pruning.

before the screen died on my Powerbook 800Mhz, id do all my 

development on it, which would force me to make things lean and mean, 

before the screen died on my Powerbook 800Mhz, id do all my  
development on it, which would force me to make things lean and mean,  
and run swift and nice on my 1.67Ghz ;)

Using Jitter live with MSP?