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Using Max patches in ProTools


333
September 16, 2008 | 10:12 pm

Hi, I want to use some of the example Max patches as plugins through rewire in ProTools. Could you please tell me the steps in doing this?

Thanks,
333


September 17, 2008 | 7:29 am

Hello 333,

It is really easy to rewire to Pro-Tools, i have done it more than a few times and am happy it was easy.

Basically, on your ‘inserts’ panel on the left, where you can put in RTAS plug ins and the such.
Go to instrument section (which will be above ‘Other’) and there should be a selection for Max/MSP runtime 1 or even 2, just select that. You then run runtime and then choose the re-wire option in the DSP status window.

Make sure to sort out the outputs on the runtime DSP window to go to Pro Tools

And that should be that… Easy

Always make sure you close down runtime first before closing Pro Tools

Hope this helped


September 17, 2008 | 7:39 am

Just to add as well

Since Pluggo is not supported for Max 5 (YET).
You can not use any compressor or any such thing you have built as an RTAS plug in

You can only really record with Max rewired into Pro Tools, you can not build plug ins to use (at this moment in time) to be used as RTAS, AU, or VTS yet.



333
September 17, 2008 | 9:44 pm

Hi Lewis,

Thanks for the info. I have tried doing what you suggested. I changed the DSP to ad rewire, and set the outputs to "Rewire Out1". The only output options it gives me is "Rewire Out 1-16".

Max shows up under the instrument section at the inserts in ProTools, and I can select it. Then the Rewire window comes up and I set the output to 1. Then when I play the track, the sound is muted. That’s all that happens. It doesn’t allow me to select any specific Max instruments or anything…

I am brand new to Max, so, I may be thinking about this all wrong. I know ProTools and Reason, so I know how those work together. I’m assuming that I would just select Max, the same as I use Reason (through Rewire), then it should open up Max, and allow me to grab an effects instrument, or something. But this isn’t happening. Max is not opening up in ProTools when I select it.

Any other thoughts?

Thank you.


September 18, 2008 | 4:45 am

Ok,

There maybe one thing you are missing.

What you would also need is the [ezdac~] object or even the [ezadc~] that is taking all the audio signal.
Make some alterations to your max patch by having one of these at the end of the audio siganl. Then try and run your max patch again in re-wire after you have done the alterations, it should work then.

I guess this is a audio re-wire you are trying to do? Say like a voice/guitar effect.


September 18, 2008 | 1:37 pm

Can re-wire be used bidirectionally? I always thought it could only
work to send audio *from* max patches, not to/from.

brad

http://music.columbia.edu/~brad

On Sep 18, 2008, at 12:45 AM, Lewis G. Edwards wrote:

>
> Ok,
>
> There maybe one thing you are missing.
>
> What you would also need is the [ezdac~] object or even the [ezadc~]
> that is taking all the audio signal.
> Make some alterations to your max patch by having one of these at
> the end of the audio siganl. Then try and run your max patch again
> in re-wire after you have done the alterations, it should work then.
>
> I guess this is a audio re-wire you are trying to do? Say like a
> voice/guitar effect.
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September 18, 2008 | 1:53 pm

Well you can use max to record sounds as well, you can also have multiple outputs of audio, using the [ezadc~] object.

You will need to put an argument at the end of each one ie:- [ezadc~ 1].
This helps more if you have an interface that has many output, ie MOTU 828mk3, which has 8 outputs. So can have a 7.1 setup with it, nice.


September 18, 2008 | 2:08 pm

On Sep 18, 2008, at 9:53 AM, Lewis G. Edwards wrote:

> Well you can use max to record sounds as well, you can also have
> multiple outputs of audio, using the [ezadc~] object.

Right, but I’m not sure you can use rewire to go from protools -> max/
msp -> protools, using max/msp as an ‘insert’ on an audio track.

I would be delighted if I were mistaken in this belief, though!

brad

http://music.columbia.edu/~brad


September 18, 2008 | 2:14 pm

From what i know, you can not do that.

BUT, you could always trying wiring the output of Pro Tools to an input on Max, then rewire it back to Pro Tools.

Basically get a jack lead, feed it from the out of the M-Box, or whatever your using, then plug it into the second input on the M-box, most likely your already using the 1st input. then just try a simple re-wire and see if that work.

You could probably get away with that, i do stuff like that on my 828, it works fine using it with Logic


September 19, 2008 | 3:20 am

I haven’t tested this, but how feasible do you all think it might be to do something along these lines:

Have two patches, built as applications (so that they each use their own runtime).

One of these is set to output audio via rewire to protools. The other is setup to receive audio via rewire. The two apps communicate via jit.net.send and jit.net.receive set to 127.0.0.1 or the net.send~ and net.receive~ externals? It’d be a pain in the ass to build the things, I expect.


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