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					<title><![CDATA[using vst]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Sun, 25 Dec 2011 21:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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						<p>Hi all,<br />
I&#8217;m having some problems with using Kontakt 4 as a vst inside Max.<br />
Does anybody knows how to do it the simple way? :-)<br />
thanks so much!</p>
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					<title><![CDATA[Re: using vst]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Mon, 26 Dec 2011 09:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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						<p>Take a look at this article I wrote on my blog which describes how I encapsulated the VST~ object to make it easier to manage. Source code is there as well. I have used it specifically with Kontakt 4 and 5 among many others and it works fine.</p>
<p><a href="http://deskew.com/component/content/article/19/76.html" rel="nofollow">http://deskew.com/component/content/article/19/76.html</a></p>
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					<title><![CDATA[Re: using vst]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Mon, 26 Dec 2011 12:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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						<p>wow! thanks,<br />
I&#8217;m gonna read it with much interest!<br />
thx!</p>
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					<title><![CDATA[Re: using vst]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Mon, 26 Dec 2011 23:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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						<p>There have been some significant enhancements to this stuff but I&#8217;m out of town so won&#8217;t be able to update until next week &#8212; however, if you have any questions, feel free to ask.</p>
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					<title><![CDATA[Re: using vst]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 16:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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						<p>Well, I must say I&#8217;m pretty impressed!<br />
I had lots of problems with routing Kontakt to Max through Jack (before i dealed with soundflower) and now I love the idea of having everything i need *inside* my patch. Your implementation looks very straightforward!<br />
I&#8217;m thinking of rewriting my stuff to take full advantage of it! </p>
<p>But yes, I have some questions&#8230;<br />
1) How about stability? so far I had no crashes, but i heard of possible crashed while using vst&#8230;<br />
2) How can i load a Kontakt patch already done within a standalone?<br />
3) is it possible to have more than 2 channels out? If my Kontakt patch has for instance 4 channels out is there a way I can have them separate in GenericVST output as well?</p>
<p>btw, so far this is how I used your amazing abstraction:<br />
I have one [GenericVST] object with &#8220;Kontakt 4&#8243; as an argument&#8230;<br />
with  [t l 3] I set, for instance,  MIDI channel 3 on third inlet and send a list of notes in inlet two.<br />
I do this for each of 10+ instruments of my Kontakt patch for every single note: just one abstraction. Do you think is fine?</p>
<p>Last thing&#8230;:<br />
thanks a lot for sharing! ;-)</p>
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					<title><![CDATA[Re: using vst]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 22:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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						<p>1) The library I have built so far (including the GenericVST object) has behaved flawlessly under Max 5.1.9 and I use it instead of Apple MainStage for live performance. I have not had a single glitch in that environment.</p>
<p>However, I have had problems with Max hanging when a VST is loaded under Max 6.0 but have not yet pinned it down. I have also not yet tried 6.0.2</p>
<p>2) No idea &#8212; my mechanism completely ignores the &#8220;patch&#8221; mechanism that VSTs support and simply saves/reloads the entire set of parameters.</p>
<p>3) I don&#8217;t see why not. I only cared about stereo so I only created two channels. However, I routinely use multi-timbral patches with Kontakt and I just include the desired MIDI channel along with the note info (or VSTParam) for this. All output still comes back through the single stereo pair.</p>
<p>I am however revamping some of my work based on more recent experience. In particular, I wanted to start routing my external synths through Max so that I could use the GenericVST stuff for effects processing. So I now have a notion of a [SoftSynth], an [Effect] and a  [HardSynth] abstraction, and these all use send/receive to send audio to a virtual mixer. The first two actually have the [GenericVST] inside them but the wiring to audio doesn&#8217;t use actual &#8220;wires&#8221; anymore.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll post this in the next week or two.</p>
<p>Glad you like what I&#8217;ve done to date.</p>
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					<title><![CDATA[Re: using vst]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 22:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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						<p>you should try 6.0.2, its fixed</p>
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					<title><![CDATA[Re: using vst]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 23:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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						<p>Really? What was the problem?</p>
<p>The real issue that gets in the way right now is the difficulty of keeping both 5.x and 6.x on my machine at the same time. I ran into a problem where I couldn&#8217;t get my Mac to use 5.x by default once 6.x was installed and until I am certain that 6.x is as solid as 5.x, I&#8217;m not in a position to give up 5.x. </p>
<p>I ran into a problem last week where I couldn&#8217;t use arguments in an adc or a dac and thought it was a shows topper. Fortunately someone gave me a workable solution to get around the problem but I don&#8217;t know what else might be there to bite me. If I could keep both on the same machine so as to be easily able to test changes incrementally, I&#8217;d be more comfortable.</p>
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					<title><![CDATA[Re: using vst]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2011 07:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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						<p>I&#8217;m on the go, so will get back later more extensively&#8230;<br />
but one thing i&#8217;d love to know is this </p>
<p>&#8220;2) No idea &#8212; my mechanism completely ignores the &#8220;patch&#8221; mechanism that VSTs support and simply saves/reloads the entire set of parameters&#8221;</p>
<p>is it possible to load from your abstraction *more than one* set of previously saved kontakt settings?<br />
I wish to use 1 max standalone and several (like 30 or more) kontakt presets (not necessarily kontakt patch themselves, I&#8217;d be 100% happy about the possibility of saving and recalling sets of parameters)<br />
so, this point me directly to this very question: </p>
<p>is<br />
it<br />
possible<br />
?<br />
:-)</p>
<p>many, many thanks.<br />
and, i mean, several, more than one :-)</p>
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					<title><![CDATA[Re: using vst]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2011 09:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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						<p>ok, i tinkered with it a little more, and found it&#8217;s very easy to do that.<br />
again, compliments, a very modular and efficient system. curious about your updated version.</p>
<p>one thing&#8230; is it possible that using Kontakt as a VST inside Max becomes far, far more CPU hungry?<br />
i think I&#8217;m having some issues on that front, and it&#8217;s a shame&#8230;<br />
btw, using max 5.1.7 and kontakt 4.2.4.5316.<br />
i&#8217;m thinking if upgrading both would fix this problem, any friendly suggestion very, very welcommed! ;-)</p>
<p>for now, again, thanks!</p>
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					<title><![CDATA[Re: using vst]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2011 22:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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						<p>I&#8217;m still traveling so can&#8217;t really do that much. However, I&#8217;m using 5.1.9, which is the latest Max 5 version. I have not noticed any particular CPU issues but it may depend on what you&#8217;re doing.<br />
Also, these days, I&#8217;m using Kontakt 5, not Kontakt 4.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t say anything about Max6 until I get a chance to try the new 6.0.2 version which someone else claimed fixes the VST crash problem that I was occasionally seeing.</p>
<p>As for the new updates, if you read my blog, then you know that my goal was to replace Apple MainStage, which was just too glitchy. The one feature that I did not implement (up until now) was the ability for &#8220;songs&#8221; to automatically remember any parameter changes. So with my new version, once a song has loaded, I can turn a dial or adjust a slider on a keyboard to change a parameter. When that same song is loaded in the future, those changes will have been remembered and get sent automatically after the patch is loaded.</p>
<p>This has required a certain amount of redesign which is now pretty much done and being tested as time permits.</p>
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					<title><![CDATA[Re: using vst]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2011 15:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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						<p>I was just reading through the Max 6.0.2 release notes and I noticed a comment about vsts now allowed to have more than 2 channels &#8212; that may be relevant to your comments. But I have to look at what was done to see how my GenericVST would best support this without just blindly having a gazillion extra outlets.</p>
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