a.balley

I've been trying to generate MIDI from inside a pluggo loaded as an 

audiounit. I understand the only solution is to create a virtual MIDI 

out port inside the plugin, so I programmed a max external that does 

My problem is that when instantiated, although the new port appears 

to be created, I don't know how to access it from a midiout object : 

it doesn't appear in the available output port list. Any ideas ?

I've been trying to generate MIDI from inside a pluggo loaded as an  
audiounit. I understand the only solution is to create a virtual MIDI  
out port inside the plugin, so I programmed a max external that does  
just that.
My problem is that when instantiated, although the new port appears  
to be created, I don't know how to access it from a midiout object :  
it doesn't appear in the available output port list. Any ideas ?

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Axel Balley
JazzMutant
www.jazzmutant.com


virtual-coremidi-ports

The situation is that currently the Pluggo runtime does not load standard OS MIDI drivers. We have been talking about this, in the light of recent posts about creating plugs which output MIDI in Logic.

There is some kind of noise coming from Apple about the possibility of future versions of the AU SDK allowing MIDI output, but in the meantime, the only disadvantage to Pluggo developers seems to me to be in the case of someone who wishes to build a plug which has both audio input and MIDI output.

We're talking about it a bit though, if anyone has something to add.

I see. So the midiout object is non-functional in my AU pluggo, no 

matter what the MIDI destination is, virtual or physical. Am I correct ?

I see. So the midiout object is non-functional in my AU pluggo, no  
matter what the MIDI destination is, virtual or physical. Am I correct ?

> the only disadvantage to Pluggo developers seems to me to be in the

> case of someone who wishes to build a plug which has both audio input

Which would be a very annoying disadvantage (the word "only" is not 

adequat). It would mean you can't create audio triggers, converters 

At least a quarter of all possibilities is missing...

I also never understood why there is any distinction between effects and 

instruments either (both should have audio in AND audio out AND Midi in 

AND Midi out), those who created the plugin standards must have been 

Andrew Pask wrote:
> the only disadvantage to Pluggo developers seems to me to be in the
> case of someone who wishes to build a plug which has both audio input
> and MIDI output.

Which would be a very annoying disadvantage (the word "only" is not 
adequat). It would mean you can't create audio triggers, converters 
which incorporate fiddle~ etc. etc...
At least a quarter of all possibilities is missing...

I also never understood why there is any distinction between effects and 
instruments either (both should have audio in AND audio out AND Midi in 
AND Midi out), those who created the plugin standards must have been 
missing some essentials...

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If you're working strictly inside of pluggo, then you can use pluggo messaging to communicate whatever you like to whatever other plug.

If you need to build a plug which sends MIDI, then I guess you could build a plug which sends OSC to an app with a MIDI port.

Quote: a.balley wrote on Thu, 07 September 2006 16:35

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> I see. So the midiout object is non-functional in my AU pluggo, no 

> matter what the MIDI destination is, virtual or physical. Am I correct ?

you know that youself, but i am adding it for the discussion:

you can eventually abuse sending messages in pluggo runtime, 

via TCP/UDP, via OSC, or fiddel something in your LAP midi

enviroment to output midi from an AU plug-in to a physical out.

or use VST - because its simply better :P

Quote: a.balley wrote on Thu, 07 September 2006 16:35
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> I see. So the midiout object is non-functional in my AU pluggo, no  
> matter what the MIDI destination is, virtual or physical. Am I correct ?
>
> axel

you know that youself, but i am adding it for the discussion:
you can eventually abuse sending messages in pluggo runtime, 
via TCP/UDP, via OSC, or fiddel something in your LAP midi
enviroment to output midi from an AU plug-in to a physical out.

or use VST - because its simply better :P


> I programmed an external that works as a midiout, + capacity to create 

> an In/Out pair of virtual ports. I can now send midi from inside a 

> pluggo and catch it at the MIDI input of the host.

> I suppose that's as far as one can get when using Audio Units, 

> considering the standard wasn't made to implement MIDI effects.

Is that available somewhere? I couldn't find it on Maxobjects or Google...

Axel BALLEY wrote:
> I programmed an external that works as a midiout, + capacity to  create 
> an In/Out pair of virtual ports. I can now send midi from  inside a 
> pluggo and catch it at the MIDI input of the host.
> I suppose that's as far as one can get when using Audio Units,  
> considering the standard wasn't made to implement MIDI effects.

I'd be very interested in your external!!! It would help me a lot because I am experiencing the same limitations of the AU specs. It would be great if you could release it for the public.

Quote: a.balley wrote on Mon, 11 September 2006 18:48

> Oh, that's because it's still on my machine only :)

> It should be an alternative to midiout, although for the moment it 

> only sends out Note Ons and Control Change (because that's all I need 

> for my current project). I'd be glad to share it when it matures.

Quote: a.balley wrote on Mon, 11 September 2006 18:48
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> Oh, that's because it's still on my machine only :)
> It should be an alternative to midiout, although for the moment it  
> only sends out Note Ons and Control Change (because that's all I need  
> for my current project). I'd be glad to share it when it matures.
>
> Best,
>
> Axel


Virtual CoreMIDI ports