florianpoly@yepmail.net

Hi there. I'm still a little new at this.

What I want to do is to come up with a way to use matrixctrl to visually create random signal chains all while preventing feedback from occuring. I want to use this on a very large scale to get really complex routing but again without the feedback. I've included a primitive example of what I want to do. This patch tells matrixctrl not to allow single feedback connections. But obviously this method doesn't work for chains of signals. How would I do this on a larger scale though. Say...if the connection was A-C-B-D preventing C-A, B-A, B-C, D-A, D-C, D-B from connecting. I hope this makes sense. Maybe there is a better way to do this without Matrixctrl??? Thanks for your help guys.

Hi there. I'm still a little new at this. 

What I want to do is to come up with a way to use matrixctrl to visually create random signal chains all while preventing feedback from occuring. I want to use this on a very large scale to get really complex routing but again without the feedback. I've included a primitive example of what I want to do. This patch tells matrixctrl not to allow single feedback connections. But obviously this method doesn't work for chains of signals. How would I do this on a larger scale though. Say...if the connection was A-C-B-D preventing C-A, B-A, B-C, D-A, D-C, D-B from connecting. I hope this makes sense. Maybe there is a better way to do this without Matrixctrl???  Thanks for your help guys.

visually-preventing-feedback-with-matrixctrl

That patch was missing a bang in there somewhere. This one should work:

Can't do the maths on it right now, but, assuming a situation where 

there is no 1st, 2nd, etc. level feedback, this may be possible:

Assuming a square matrix, the negative of the displacement of any one 

component cannot be equal to the sum of the displacement between the 

remaining components. At least it seems to be working, but that could 

    0    1    2    3    4    5

2        X                        

3                    X

4                        X

I think this works because there is one connection per row/column. 

I'd bet there's a proper mathematic name for this. (and Euler was 

Can't do the maths on it right now, but, assuming a situation where 
there is no 1st, 2nd, etc. level feedback, this may be possible:

Assuming a square matrix, the negative of the displacement of any one 
component cannot be equal to the sum of the displacement between the 
remaining components.  At least it seems to be working, but that could 
just be insomnia talking...

	3 - 2 = 1
	2 - 0 = 2
+____________
		= 3
Therefore, illegal.

	3 - 1 = 2
	1 - 2 = -1
+_____________
		= 1

5 to 4 = 1
4 to 3 = 1
3 to 1 = 2
1 to 2 = -1

5 to 4 = 1
4 to 3 = 1
3 to 0 = 3
0 to 1 = -1

I think this works because there is one connection per row/column.   
I'd bet there's a proper mathematic name for this.  (and Euler was 
probably involved)

On 15-Mar-2006, at 8:46, Christopher wrote:

> What I want to do is to come up with a way to use matrixctrl to 

> visually create random signal chains all while preventing feedback 

Not completely "random", but you could build a coll with lots and 

lots of different matrixctrl configurations that you know do not 

cause feedback, and trigger them however you like.

If you want "really" random, you should take a look at the Litter 

Peter Castine | +--> Litter Power & Litter Bundle for Jitter

|....................................................

p@castine.de | iCE: Sequencing, Recording, and Interface Building

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On 15-Mar-2006, at 8:46, Christopher wrote:
> What I want to do is to come up with a way to use matrixctrl to  
> visually create random signal chains all while preventing feedback  
> from occuring.
[schnipp]

Not completely "random", but you could build a coll with lots and  
lots of different matrixctrl configurations that you know do not  
cause feedback, and trigger them however you like.

If you want "really" random, you should take a look at the Litter  
Power bundles. URI below.

--------------    http://www.bek.no/~pcastine/Litter/    -------------
Peter Castine    |        +--> Litter Power & Litter Bundle for Jitter
                  |....................................................
p@castine.de     | iCE:  Sequencing, Recording, and Interface Building
pcastine@gmx.net |       for Max/MSP
pcastine@bek.no  | http://www.dspaudio.com/             Extremely cool
4-15@kagi.com    |....................................................
                  | home|chez nous|wir|i nostri  http://www.castine.de/

You know, I wonder if we should offer a "Salespersons' Forum", where all 

you entrepreneurs could hawk your wares, and leave this sort of 

unnecessary product placement off of the main list.

We are extremely proud of our developer community, and think that all of 

the things people are making, whether for free or for dough, are 

wonderful expressions of the power of the Max-Way.

Nevertheless, and this could just be a grey Berlin morning talking, this 

gets old after a while. I don't mean to single you out, Peter.

You know, I wonder if we should offer a "Salespersons' Forum", where all 
you entrepreneurs could hawk your wares, and leave this sort of 
unnecessary product placement off of the main list.

We are extremely proud of our developer community, and think that all of 
the things people are making, whether for free or for dough, are 
wonderful expressions of the power of the Max-Way.

Nevertheless, and this could just be a grey Berlin morning talking, this 
gets old after a while. I don't mean to single you out, Peter.

For all the help these guys give everyone in the forums (oh old 

mailing list how I miss you... *sheds tear+seething rage*), I really 

dont think its inappropriate. Not that I have a say in the matter, 

but as a 3rd party maxer it doesnt get annoying or feel .. 

I LIVE! I LIVE! I LIVE! I LIVE! I LIVE! I LIVE! I LIVE! I LIVE! I 

You will not be saved by the Holy Ghost. You will not be saved by the 

For all the help these guys give everyone in the forums (oh old  
mailing list how I miss you... *sheds tear+seething rage*), I really  
dont think its inappropriate. Not that I have a say in the matter,  
but as a 3rd party maxer it doesnt get annoying or feel ..  
overbearing to me.

I LIVE! I LIVE! I LIVE! I LIVE! I LIVE! I LIVE! I LIVE! I LIVE! I  
LIVE! I LIVE! I LIVE! I LIVE!

You will not be saved by the Holy Ghost. You will not be saved by the  
God Plutonium.

If it's just me, then pitch away. As I mentioned, the love we feel for 

those users sufficiently interested to spend their valuable time making 

the system bigger and better cannot be expressed in mere words.

My next crusade will be against .sigs which are longer than the messages 

If it's just me, then pitch away. As I mentioned, the love we feel for 
those users sufficiently interested to spend their valuable time making 
the system bigger and better cannot be expressed in mere words.

My next crusade will be against .sigs which are longer than the messages 
they are attached to. Who's with me?

heh. was about to update my .sig to epic proportions

Would you prefer an animated manga gif banner and obnoxious goatse 

icon in the forum.. cause I can go there ;)

Would you prefer an animated manga gif banner and obnoxious goatse  
icon in the forum.. cause I can go there ;)

On 15-Mar-2006, at 16:08, Jeremy Bernstein wrote:

> My next crusade will be against .sigs which are longer than the 

> messages they are attached to. Who's with me?

My dilemma is just whether to trim my .sig when the message is short 

or to pad the message to get it up to the requisite char count.

On 15-Mar-2006, at 16:08, Jeremy Bernstein wrote:
> My next crusade will be against .sigs which are longer than the  
> messages they are attached to. Who's with me?

My dilemma is just whether to trim my .sig when the message is short  
or to pad the message to get it up to the requisite char count.

--------------    http://www.bek.no/~pcastine/Lit^Z


This looks like a solution. Can't do the maths on it right now, but, 

assuming a situation where there is no 1st, 2nd, etc. level feedback, 

This looks like a solution.  Can't do the maths on it right now, but, 
assuming a situation where there is no 1st, 2nd, etc. level feedback, 
this seems to hold true:

Here's a solution in Max code. If you wanted to have multiple paths, 

use coll in conjunction with urn, and a shorter bang/group section.

Here's a solution in Max code.  If you wanted to have multiple paths, 
use coll in conjunction with urn, and a shorter bang/group section.

Thanks for the help so far guys. Still trying to wrap my head around this.. I am making progress.

Visually preventing feedback with matrixctrl