vst and separated tracks

ale.dm@libero.it's icon

Hi, someone know why my version of radial 1.35 don't load vst?!
You know a way for rec every loop channel in separated tracks?!

i'm working with powerbook g4
mac osx 10.4.9

thanks
Alessio

antidogmatiq~'s icon

Hi Alessio,

do You have Pluggo installed, and if yes which version?

Gregory Taylor's icon

>Hi, someone know why my version of radial 1.35 don't load vst?!

SInce you haven't told us what version of pluggo you're running,
we would only be guessing. I would try that first.

>You know a way for rec every loop channel in separated tracks?!

You could consider using configuring radiaL with multiple output
windows (using the Configuration window), I suppose. I'm probably
not the right person to ask, since I use Live if I'm in the mood for
some kind of production scratchpad; for me, radiaL's a live instrument -
I dump performances straight to disc live, and have precisely what I
sent to the club/gallery/hall's board. It's an ethical thing, and I wouldn't
expect anyone else to necessarily be interested in that.

--
on the floor there's a long wooden table/on the table there's an open book/
on the page there's a detailed drawing/and on the drawing is the name I took
Gregory Taylor http://www.rtqe.net

ale.dm@libero.it's icon

Yes, i've installed pluggo 361,(not authorized at the moment).
In to the effects box i can see the plug ins who i choose , but these don't work!!
thanks
Alessio

ale.dm@libero.it's icon

>>Hi, someone know why my version of radial 1.35 don't load vst?!

>SInce you haven't told us what version of pluggo you're running,
we would only be guessing. I would try that first.

i'm working with pluggo 361, and this is the only version who i installed in my mac.
Pluggo run good in live, but not in radial...

>>You know a way for rec every loop channel in separated tracks?!

>You could consider using configuring radiaL with multiple output
windows (using the Configuration window), I suppose. I'm probably
not the right person to ask, since I use Live if I'm in the mood for
some kind of production scratchpad; for me, radiaL's a live instrument -
I dump performances straight to disc live, and have precisely what I
sent to the club/gallery/hall's board. It's an ethical thing, and I wouldn't
expect anyone else to necessarily be interested in that.

Yes, but i consider radial olso an efficient tool for music production!

Thanks
Alessio

Gregory Taylor's icon

> i'm working with pluggo 361, and this is the only version who i installed in my mac.
> Pluggo run good in live, but not in radial...

I'm sorry, but it runs just fine here. What do you mean when you say it doesn't run? You cannot see the plug-ins listed in the pop-up menu? When you load an effect, do you not see any parameters appear in the Effects windows?

If you load the Generic Effect, open the edit window and choose "Messages" from the upper pop-up menu, are there any error messages?

Without more information about what you mean, it's difficult to know how to assist you.

Gregory Taylor's icon

> Yes, but i consider radial olso an efficient tool for music production!

As I said, I'm not much help, then. For me, radiaL is an *instrument* for live performance. Your mileage may vary.

ale.dm@libero.it's icon

>> i'm working with pluggo 361, and this is the only version who i installed in my mac.
>> Pluggo run good in live, but not in radial...

>I'm sorry, but it runs just fine here. What do you mean when you say it doesn't run? You cannot see the plug-ins listed in the pop-up menu?

Yes, i can see the plug-ins listed in the pop-up menu!

> When you load an effect, do you not see any parameters appear in the Effects windows?

When i load an effect i can see only the name in the Effect Window but i cannot see the related parameters.

>If you load the Generic Effect, open the edit window and choose "Messages" from the upper pop-up menu, are there any error messages?

Then i open the edit window, i choose 'open'from the upper pop-menu, i choose a plug-in ( for exemple 'nebula' ), but now 'nebula' don't appear in Effect Window.

>Without more information about what you mean, it's difficult to know how to assist you.

thanks

antidogmatiq~'s icon

Try installing the beta version of radiaL 1.5 from here;

I had the similar problems with vst plugz after installing Pluggo 3.6 over radiaL 1.35.

Since 1.5 beta everything is ok.

ale.dm@libero.it's icon

thanks!
i will try this version_
Alessio:)

ale.dm@libero.it's icon

i've installed radial 1.5beta version , and now i can load pluggo vst , but they don't work!
I launch from Effect Window a plug in , but this work in a same way...baypass mode.
If i launch Radial lfo, and i choose message from the upper pop-up menu, i can see a error message:

the document is radial_

Andrew Pask's icon

Hi,

I apologise for all those error messages, I shall try and stomp them out for the next beta. They are in fact, all harmless. It looks to me as if Pluggo has loaded fine in your install. I wonder what else might not be working

I could not see in your screen shot that you had audio bussed to the plug-in correctly, is this the case? I can see your outputs are active, are you hearing stuff ok?

-A

ale.dm@libero.it's icon

hi Andrew,
yes i can listen my outputs actives.
The plugs are in bypass ...
thanks
Alessio:)

Gregory Taylor's icon

>hi Andrew,
>yes i can listen my outputs actives.
>The plugs are in bypass ...

From your screenshot, it looks like you haven't routed
anything to the plug-ins at all (i.e. the upper left and
lower left corners of the loop channels aren't "on."
Can you screenshot this so that we can see the Matrix
Mixer?
--
on the floor there's a long wooden table/on the table there's an open book/
on the page there's a detailed drawing/and on the drawing is the name I took
Gregory Taylor http://www.rtqe.net

ale.dm@libero.it's icon

the loop channels are on!
nebula don't work.radial lfo work ok!
thanks
Alessio

Andrew Pask's icon

You're not sending any audio to the plug.

You can click in the upper and lower left hand side quadrants of the loop display to activate channels 1 and 2, or shift click on the appropriate "cell" in the matrix mixer for any plug at all.

Gregory will know which page this is on in the manual

:)

-A

Gregory Taylor's icon

>You're not sending any audio to the plug.

Yep. That's it, al right.

>
>You can click in the upper and lower left hand side quadrants of the
>loop display to activate channels 1 and 2, or shift click on the
>appropriate "cell" in the matrix mixer for any plug at all.
>
>Gregory will know which page this is on in the manual

Pages 32-34.

--
on the floor there's a long wooden table/on the table there's an open book/
on the page there's a detailed drawing/and on the drawing is the name I took
Gregory Taylor http://www.rtqe.net

ale.dm@libero.it's icon

@@.....ehi thanks a lot!!

:)
Alessio

Gregory Taylor's icon

>@@.....ehi thanks a lot!!

Taking a look at the documentaton is ALWAYS a good
idea. That's why it's there - to save you time and worry.

--
on the floor there's a long wooden table/on the table there's an open book/
on the page there's a detailed drawing/and on the drawing is the name I took
Gregory Taylor http://www.rtqe.net

sixnon's icon

> I dump performances straight to disc live, and have
> precisely what I
> sent to the club/gallery/hall's board. It's an
> ethical thing, and I wouldn't
> expect anyone else to necessarily be interested in
> that.

I'm actually interested in that somewhat cryptic
remark Gregory.

What, for you, is the ethical issue in a situation
such as you describe?

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Gregory Taylor's icon

>What, for you, is the ethical issue in a situation
>such as you describe?

You mean for me? Kind of simple. What I record is the equivalent
of the old jazz thing where you walk onstage with the tape rolling
and start playing. For better or worse, the resulting document is
precisely what you did. No overdubs, no sweetening (beyond my
hiring the services of Darwin Grosse, who's the best mastering
engineer I know), no nothing. That's what happened. No one
made me do anything like it - I just realized that the performances
I came to feel were "good* in some way or ones I didn't feel odd
about sharing with people were complete works. This goes back
to the days when I was doing this whole quotation-based mashup
stuff as well - what mattered to me was the record of making a set
of "right" or "fitting" decisions in the heat of the moment. I get a lot
fewer recordings that way - and don't sit at home making tons of
things I don't know what to do with [scratchpadding]; I "practice,"
if ou will, so that I know my material, I'm comfortable with my
interface, and I can spend more time listening than wrestling
with stuff. For me, that's what has become satisfying. It's a
very conservative way to think about what I'm doing, and a
potentially stupid technique for performing live - instead of
taking a bunch of loops that I already know work and then working
to minimize the possibility of risk by carefully choosing the params
to tweak that will make me look cool on stage or some similar kind
of approach [which I am sure makes some people really happy
and wins them the adulation of others], I like the opportunity of
things NOT going well. A successful gig (again, to *me*) feels
better. And while I'd like being rich or famous or sometimes even
wonder about the possiblity of doing something more than once,
this is what I do.

Your mileage may vary, of course. And mine is subject to change
at any point. But that's what the GPS is telling me now.
--
on the floor there's a long wooden table/on the table there's an open book/
on the page there's a detailed drawing/and on the drawing is the name I took
Gregory Taylor http://www.rtqe.net

sixnon's icon

no, I understand what you are saying, and indeed
appreciate it. I guess I would have called that an
aesthetic rather than ethical issue, and that was what
I was querying.

I too love a single take (and it is for this reason
that I enjoy working with Radial). Radial lets me
function more as a musician than a programmer, and
ultimately that's where my heart's at.

--- Gregory Taylor wrote:

> >What, for you, is the ethical issue in a situation
> >such as you describe?
>
> You mean for me? Kind of simple. What I record is
> the equivalent
> of the old jazz thing where you walk onstage with
> the tape rolling
> and start playing. For better or worse, the
> resulting document is
> precisely what you did. No overdubs, no sweetening
> (beyond my
> hiring the services of Darwin Grosse, who's the best
> mastering
> engineer I know), no nothing. That's what happened.
> No one
> made me do anything like it - I just realized that
> the performances
> I came to feel were "good* in some way or ones I
> didn't feel odd
> about sharing with people were complete works. This
> goes back
> to the days when I was doing this whole
> quotation-based mashup
> stuff as well - what mattered to me was the record
> of making a set
> of "right" or "fitting" decisions in the heat of the
> moment. I get a lot
> fewer recordings that way - and don't sit at home
> making tons of
> things I don't know what to do with
> [scratchpadding]; I "practice,"
> if ou will, so that I know my material, I'm
> comfortable with my
> interface, and I can spend more time listening than
> wrestling
> with stuff. For me, that's what has become
> satisfying. It's a
> very conservative way to think about what I'm doing,
> and a
> potentially stupid technique for performing live -
> instead of
> taking a bunch of loops that I already know work and
> then working
> to minimize the possibility of risk by carefully
> choosing the params
> to tweak that will make me look cool on stage or
> some similar kind
> of approach [which I am sure makes some people
> really happy
> and wins them the adulation of others], I like the
> opportunity of
> things NOT going well. A successful gig (again, to
> *me*) feels
> better. And while I'd like being rich or famous or
> sometimes even
> wonder about the possiblity of doing something more
> than once,
> this is what I do.
>
> Your mileage may vary, of course. And mine is
> subject to change
> at any point. But that's what the GPS is telling me
> now.
> --
> on the floor there's a long wooden table/on the
> table there's an open book/
> on the page there's a detailed drawing/and on the
> drawing is the name I took
> Gregory Taylor http://www.rtqe.net
>

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Gregory Taylor's icon

>no, I understand what you are saying, and indeed
>appreciate it. I guess I would have called that an
>aesthetic rather than ethical issue, and that was what
>I was querying.

Oh - then think of it as my keeping an aesthetic promise I made to
myself.
--
on the floor there's a long wooden table/on the table there's an open book/
on the page there's a detailed drawing/and on the drawing is the name I took
Gregory Taylor http://www.rtqe.net

sixnon's icon

yep, got it.

thanks for clarifying

--- Gregory Taylor wrote:

> >no, I understand what you are saying, and indeed
> >appreciate it. I guess I would have called that an
> >aesthetic rather than ethical issue, and that was
> what
> >I was querying.
>
> Oh - then think of it as my keeping an aesthetic
> promise I made to
> myself.
> --
> on the floor there's a long wooden table/on the
> table there's an open book/
> on the page there's a detailed drawing/and on the
> drawing is the name I took
> Gregory Taylor http://www.rtqe.net>
>

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