Is there a way to convert wav/aiff files to sdif files (on win or mac) ?

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wavaiff-to-sdif

Yeah, i have it already, but since 0.6.3, it doesn't want to open any 

Yeah, i have it already, but since 0.6.3, it doesn't want to open any 
.wav/.aiff files anymore !!!

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Ole Schmidt wrote:
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> great app! 
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oops, sorry sorry, .wav won't open, but .aiff still do. Spear is the boss.

on mac os classic, spear 063 creates files of type

codewarrior/text when exporting aiff so tha5t they do

solution: patch the files to filetype AIFC again.

on mac os classic, spear 063 creates files of type
codewarrior/text when exporting aiff so tha5t they do
not play in most audio apps.
solution: patch the files to filetype AIFC again.


Quote: f.e wrote on Sat, 04 November 2006 04:17

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> Is there a way to convert wav/aiff files to sdif files (on win or mac) ?

IRCAM AudioSculpt, Diphone (AddAn, ResAn), if you have them.

http://ems.music.uiuc.edu/~beaucham/software/armadillo/

http://www.cnmat.berkeley.edu/SDIF/ICMC2000/

Quote: f.e wrote on Sat, 04 November 2006 04:17
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> Is there a way to convert wav/aiff files to sdif files (on win or mac) ?
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Check out Loris:
http://www.cerlsoundgroup.org/Loris/

Um, Armadillo, maybe:
http://ems.music.uiuc.edu/~beaucham/software/armadillo/

This site is old, but interesting:
http://www.cnmat.berkeley.edu/SDIF/ICMC2000/

Loris is still pretty much arcane, unfortunately (i mean when you got 

your .tar.gz on your desktop). And Spear is the only other one running 

on win. But it's amazing. The way we can choose a bunch of partials, 

extract them and distribute them over the time, stretching, pitching... 

Audiosculpt was there before for mac users, and i'm so damned happy we 

Anyway, a big thank for your tutorials about the CNMAT objects. It's 

precious. But i wonder if you can explain more about storage : majority 

of your examples are using coll, not sdif-buffer; as Spear doesn't give 

us a cool coll compatible text format, i will be happy to understand 

better how to use the sdif-buffer for all the transformation / filtering 

examples you provide. The output mechanism is still a little bit 

complicated (for me) and appending a sdif-tuples doesn't always do the 

> Quote: f.e wrote on Sat, 04 November 2006 04:17

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>> Is there a way to convert wav/aiff files to sdif files (on win or mac) ?

> IRCAM AudioSculpt, Diphone (AddAn, ResAn), if you have them.

> || michael f. zbyszynski -- molecular gastronimist

> || mzed@cnmat.berkeley.edu -- +1.510.643.9990x314

Loris is still pretty much arcane, unfortunately (i mean when you got 
your .tar.gz on your desktop). And Spear is the only other one running 
on win. But it's amazing. The way we can choose a bunch of partials, 
extract them and distribute them over the time, stretching, pitching... 
Audiosculpt was there before for mac users, and i'm so damned happy we 
have spear now. A brand new way to work.

Anyway, a big thank for your tutorials about the CNMAT objects. It's 
precious. But i wonder if you can explain more about storage : majority 
of your examples are using coll, not sdif-buffer; as Spear doesn't give 
us a cool coll compatible text format, i will be happy to understand 
better how to use the sdif-buffer for all the transformation / filtering 
examples you provide. The output mechanism is still a little bit 
complicated (for me) and appending a sdif-tuples doesn't always do the 
trick...

mzed wrote:
> Quote: f.e wrote on Sat, 04 November 2006 04:17
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>> Is there a way to convert wav/aiff files to sdif files (on win or mac) ?
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> I also like SPEAR.  
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> Check out Loris:
> http://www.cerlsoundgroup.org/Loris/
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> IRCAM AudioSculpt, Diphone (AddAn, ResAn), if you have them.
>
> Um, Armadillo, maybe:
> http://ems.music.uiuc.edu/~beaucham/software/armadillo/
>
> This site is old, but interesting:
> http://www.cnmat.berkeley.edu/SDIF/ICMC2000/
>
> mz
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> --
> || michael f. zbyszynski -- molecular gastronimist
> || mzed@cnmat.berkeley.edu -- +1.510.643.9990x314
> || http://www.cnmat.berkeley.edu/
> || http://www.piratelemur.com/
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> Anyway, a big thank for your tutorials about the CNMAT objects. It's 

> precious. But i wonder if you can explain more about storage : majority 

> of your examples are using coll, not sdif-buffer; as Spear doesn't give 

> us a cool coll compatible text format, i will be happy to understand 

> better how to use the sdif-buffer for all the transformation / filtering 

> examples you provide. The output mechanism is still a little bit 

> complicated (for me) and appending a sdif-tuples doesn't always do the 

The good tutorials for this are #23-25. But, certainly, there could be more explanation. If you tell me more about the problems you're having?

SPEAR outputs sdif files that are similar to the AddAn generated ones in the tutorials, so they should work without much repatching. SDIF-buffer can only find SDIF-file that are in the search path; this is a common problem.

Tutorial #24 deals with sin-synth~, which encapsulates all of the res-transform transformations. I just added some tutorials using "deinterleave" and "interleave" to do some transformation with Max objects. The example is a resonant model, but it's not to different with sinusoidal models (I'll make an example...). As I've said, managing big lists is a problem in Max.

These tutorials are being constantly expanded, so thanks for your feedback. I hope future versions will be better because of it.

> Anyway, a big thank for your tutorials about the CNMAT objects. It's 
> precious. But i wonder if you can explain more about storage : majority 
> of your examples are using coll, not sdif-buffer; as Spear doesn't give 
> us a cool coll compatible text format, i will be happy to understand 
> better how to use the sdif-buffer for all the transformation / filtering 
> examples you provide. The output mechanism is still a little bit 
> complicated (for me) and appending a sdif-tuples doesn't always do the 
> trick...

The good tutorials for this are #23-25.  But, certainly, there could be more explanation.  If you tell me more about the problems you're having?

SPEAR outputs sdif files that are similar to the AddAn generated ones in the tutorials, so they should work without much repatching.  SDIF-buffer can only find SDIF-file that are in the search path; this is a common problem.  

Tutorial #24 deals with sin-synth~, which encapsulates all of the res-transform transformations.  I just added some tutorials using "deinterleave" and "interleave" to do some transformation with Max objects.  The example is a resonant model, but it's not to different with sinusoidal models (I'll make an example...).  As I've said, managing big lists is a problem in Max.

These tutorials are being constantly expanded, so thanks for your feedback.  I hope future versions will be better because of it.

I'm having problems using sdif data rendered with spear. I do not thing it is a spear releated issue though.

Then use SDIF-tuples --> threefates --> sinusoids~

But at some timesegments, threefates complains: input list too big(size x) -- dropping

where x is a number bigger then 750 or so...

The sdif file that comes with those excellent cnmat tutorials have no problems. This is a rather new subject for me, I think I know what the problem is but I don't have a clue about my limits. The cause for this error is too much sinusodial information packed into a time fragment isn't it? should I render my files with lower fft sizes from spear? What is the possible solution for this?

I was using some complex waves for trying things out. After this problem occured, I used a solo instrument sample. And it still gives errors.

Ok I think I found a solution. Deleting partials below a certain duration and amplitude makes shorter lists thus threefates object gives no errors. I think this is necessary.

> But at some timesegments, threefates complains: input list too big(size x) -- dropping

> where x is a number bigger then 750 or so...

threefates is set to a default limit of 256 partials. If you give it an argument, you can do more. Like:

Older versions will crash with numbers >1200, or so. If you have this problem, get the current (and I believe, fixed) version from the CNMAT downloads page.

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> But at some timesegments, threefates complains: input list too big(size x) -- dropping
>
> where x is a number bigger then 750 or so...
>

threefates is set to a default limit of 256 partials.  If you give it an argument, you can do more.  Like:

Older versions will crash with numbers >1200, or so.  If you have this problem, get the current (and I believe, fixed) version from the CNMAT downloads page.

Oh thanks! I looked through the help but I think I've overlooked it.

is there any way to convert AIF information to SDIF within max itself?

alright, does anyone have a recommendation for someone to contact that might know how write max patch that converts aif to SDIF?

I don't know that anybody's actively involved with that. "SDIF" is broad format that could encompass many different analytical methods, so it isn't really obvious what you're looking for. Many of these analysis methods are better in non-realtime, so Max isn't necessarily a good place to generate results.

There is SDIF-listpoke from CNMAT, although SDIF-buffer doesn't write.

I don't know that anybody's actively involved with that.  "SDIF" is broad format that could encompass many different analytical methods, so it isn't really obvious what you're looking for.  Many of these analysis methods are better in non-realtime, so Max isn't necessarily a good place to generate results.

There is SDIF-listpoke from CNMAT, although SDIF-buffer doesn't write.


wav/aiff to sdif ?