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					<title><![CDATA[Wave Field Synthesis in Max/MSP?]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2011 23:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>Luca</dc:creator>

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						<p>Dear all,<br />
I am not familiar with Wave Field Syntesis, but I would like to try this approach in order to spatialize some sounds along tridimensional trajectories.<br />
Actually I am searching for something similar to the Ambisonics tools for Max/MSP (provided by ICST), where it is posible to define trajectories for virtual sound surces.</p>
<p>Is there is an external in Max/MSP to do this with WFS? So far I was not able to find it.</p>
<p>And above all, is WFS appropriate for this purpose?</p>
<p>If I have correctly understood this type of technique requires lots of loudspeakers. I use a surround system composed by 16 loudspeakers difining a 3D cube&#8230;.and my goal would be to move sound surces using this configuration.</p>
<p>Thanks in advance</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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					<title><![CDATA[Re: Wave Field Synthesis in Max/MSP?]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 15:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>Anthony Palomba</dc:creator>

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						<p>I think cosm might do what you want&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.allosphere.ucsb.edu/cosm/gallery_examples.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.allosphere.ucsb.edu/cosm/gallery_examples.html</a></p>
<p>Although I am not sure if it outputs things into<br />
separate discrete channels. I think it mixes everything to<br />
two channels.</p>
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					<title><![CDATA[Re: Wave Field Synthesis in Max/MSP?]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 22:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>Luca</dc:creator>

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						<p>Hi, thanks for your answer but in COSM there is no Wave Field Synthesis as I asked&#8230;there is instead Ambisonic.</p>
<p>Is there anyone who can suggest a Max/MSP external to perform WFS?</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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					<title><![CDATA[Re: Wave Field Synthesis in Max/MSP?]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2011 08:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>Luigi Castelli</dc:creator>

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						<p>Hi Luca,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know of a Max object that implements WFS, however I don&#8217;t think WFS would be an appropriate technique given your setup.<br />
Basically with WFS you are synthesizing wave fronts. The smaller waves required to synthesize the desired wave front are produced by a large number of loudspeakers fixed at equidistant positions along the perimeter of the listening space. Your 16 loudspeakers arranged in a cube suffer of two problems:</p>
<p>1 &#8211; 16 are not enough speakers to synthesize a wave front, especially if you need to locate them along the perimeter of a listening space. Assuming a square perimeter you would have 4 speakers per side. Clearly not enough.</p>
<p>2 &#8211; you have them arranged in a cube which &#8211; for obvious reasons &#8211; also is not ideal.</p>
<p>Even though WFS is indeed a very interesting technique I find its limitations lie in the practical/physical issues associated with it.</p>
<p>I think that a technique such as Ambisonic is much better suited for your setup.</p>
<p>Best.</p>
<p>- Luigi</p>
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					<title><![CDATA[Re: Wave Field Synthesis in Max/MSP?]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2011 13:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>Anthony Palomba</dc:creator>

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						<p>So why would you not want to use Ambisonics tools for Max/MSP?</p>
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					<title><![CDATA[Re: Wave Field Synthesis in Max/MSP?]]></title>
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					<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2011 16:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
					<dc:creator>Luca</dc:creator>

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						<p>Dear Luigi,<br />
thanks a lot, studying a bit this type of synthesis I arrived to the same conclusions.</p>
<p>@Antony: I already use the Ambisonics tools for Max/MSP, but my goal was to compare their performances with those of other synthesis techniques, for the particular task of footsteps sounds delivery.</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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