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We upgraded the forum software!

May 13, 2013 | 1:47 am

This past weekend we migrated all the data to updated forum software. All feedback is appreciated, especially if you find a bug!

Ben



dtr
May 13, 2013 | 2:07 am

Hey, looking nice! I’m missing the post dates though. Kinda useful to know whether you’re looking at something that’s 5 days or 5 years old…


May 13, 2013 | 2:18 am

I suppose this explain why there are now forum posts on the c74 general feed.

And also why the forum feeds don’t work anymore.

Is there a way to get the same behavior as before (i.e. a way to subscribe to the forum feeds I want).

It’s a pity it’s not possible anymore to log in directly from a post: you now need to log in using the link in the upper right corner of the browser window, and then jump back to the post you were reading.

In Safari (5.1.9 under X.6.8), the "backspace" key in the text field (the one where I’m typing right now) doesn’t backspace when the cursor is at the beginning of a line, but moves the cursor to the beginning of the field. This happens in Visual mode, not in Text mode.

I personnaly think there is too much wasted space, especially because the "freshness" column is now formatted on 2 lines… And also because the avatar icons are too big, as is the spacing between lines.



TSt
May 13, 2013 | 2:32 am

we can’t access our private messages (and the link private message this user_link) since the update!

firefox_ver20.0.1, adblock plus, noscript are deactivated on cycling74.com generally

this should be solve now…



dtr
May 13, 2013 | 2:54 am

This seems jumbled, see screenshot.

Also, I agree on the too much white space (both in post listing as thread view). Also the font seems bigger. Not very efficient use of screen real estate.



dtr
May 13, 2013 | 2:55 am

Screenshot again.

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dtr
May 13, 2013 | 2:56 am

Where’s the edit post button?


May 13, 2013 | 3:29 am

What’s up with the page buttons?
If I click the ’2′ at the bottom RH corner in the ‘All’ category (is it me, or is there a less generous allocation of posts per page than before?), instead of taking me to the second page of ‘All’, it takes me to the second page of the’Beta’ category (eventually – it’s running v-e-r-y s-l-o-w-l-y atm),
Cheers
Roger



dtr
May 13, 2013 | 4:02 am

After I login from the forum home it takes me to the main homepage, not the forum.


May 13, 2013 | 4:08 am

I’d suggest a 14px font for the listing (see screenshot), more threads listed on one page and no line breaks in the ‘Last Poster’ column.

 

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May 13, 2013 | 5:44 am

I confirm the Login going to the homepage (weird) and the absence of RSS feeds (very annoying) and I can add that it seem much slower than the previous one…

Is there any plan to bring back the RSS feed?


May 13, 2013 | 5:57 am

I confirm it’s now extremely slooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.


May 13, 2013 | 6:10 am

Me too for slowness and login to homepage, also forum posts are now filling up my mailbox from the general C74 RSS feed but my favourite threads feed is dead. Speaking of which, didn’t there used to be an ‘add to favourites’ button?


May 13, 2013 | 6:41 am

Hi – thanks for all the feedback.

@TST private messages coming back soon.

@DTR thanks for the screenshot. If you refresh the page, does it refresh the CSS cache and fix itself? If not, what browser are you using

@DTR you don’t see the post dates in the bottom right hand corner of each message? eg: http://cl.ly/image/1B2F2z090h39

re: login redirecting to home page, verified and we will fix.
re: RSS feeds, we’ll restore them ASAP.
re: slowness, we’ll figure out why it’s slow and get it going faster.



dtr
May 13, 2013 | 7:08 am

> @DTR thanks for the screenshot. If you refresh the page, does it refresh the CSS cache and fix itself? If not, what browser are you using

No, also the posting bit seems off

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dtr
May 13, 2013 | 7:08 am

> @DTR you don’t see the post dates in the bottom right hand corner of each message? eg: http://cl.ly/image/1B2F2z090h39

No, but I think I know where they went…

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  1. c74_forum3


dtr
May 13, 2013 | 7:12 am

OSX 10.8.2
Firefox 20.0

Add ons:
Adblock plus 2.2.4
Dictionnaires Français 4.10
DoNotTrackMe 2.2.8.307
Firebug 1.11.3 (not active)
And just noticed now this rogue plugin crawled its way in unsolicited… Savings-Slider 2.5


May 13, 2013 | 7:18 am

linebreaks in the date and time should be banned, too. 20 px more would probably fix it, but no px limit for the cell will also be ok. safari 4.



dtr
May 13, 2013 | 7:22 am

My situation ‘s the same with all plugins disabled.


May 13, 2013 | 7:46 am

Hi there,

 

posted a question in the Jitter forums but it doesn’t appear in the ALL section. Is this a bug ?


May 13, 2013 | 7:49 am

@Andro, yes that does appear to be a bug. Thanks for letting us know!


May 13, 2013 | 8:21 am

Bug: Whenever I press the button "2" or the arrow for next page on the "All" forum page it brings me to the second page of another forum… Now it brings me to the "MAXMSP" forum page, before it was to the "BETA" forum page


May 13, 2013 | 8:22 am

From inside the All tab clicking to move to second page bumps me into the MAXMSP tab instead of the second page of All.

Firefox 20.

OS 10.6.8


May 13, 2013 | 8:42 am

Thanks @Guib and @Rick — noted earlier in the thread, we’ll fix ASAP.


May 13, 2013 | 11:07 am

Hi all! Thanks for all the feedback!

So far:

  • @DTR, we’ve updated the issues with Firefox. Please check again and let me know if you are still having trouble with the Forums front page and if you are still missing the post dates and links.
  • We’ve bumped up the number of topics/replies per page to reduce the amount of pages.
  • Logging in should now redirect you back to the previous page, not the homepage.

I’ll be making more adjustments throughout. Thanks for everyone’s input and patience!


May 13, 2013 | 12:13 pm

Hi @Andro, I see your topic when I go to "All." Here’s a screenshot. Your topic is highlighted yellow:

http://cl.ly/image/2z3J2h1L2U2U

Are you seeing something different?


May 14, 2013 | 5:00 am

I… honestly can’t remember if this existed before or not, but it’d be nice if I’m browsing the ‘All’ tab to tell what posts are coming from what subforum.  A column with ‘forum’ as the title would be great.


May 14, 2013 | 5:01 am

What happened to the favourites ? I used this a lot instead of bookmarks in my browser…


May 14, 2013 | 5:16 am

One unfortunate change is you can’t see attachments unless your logged in. That diminishes the google-ability of the forum in terms of finding examples of stuff.

Also it’s not obvious where to log in. At the bottom of the page it says "you must be logged in to reply" but nothing is a link there. The login button is tiny, and at the very very top/right of the page (as far as physically possible from the message telling you to log in).


May 14, 2013 | 6:49 am

@mushoo we’ll consider that.

@stephane-morisse favourites show up on your profile page, but you’re right, i don’t think there’s currently an easy way to add a topic to the list. we’ll make that happen.

@rodrigo good analysis. thanks.


May 14, 2013 | 10:03 am

ignore, testing


May 14, 2013 | 6:12 pm

Hi. On the top right hand corner of the page, you should now be able to mark topics as favourites or subscribe/bookmark them.


May 14, 2013 | 6:51 pm

@Rodrido, there should now be a link to log in at the bottom of the page.


May 15, 2013 | 3:19 am

Unordered list formatting

don’t
work.

Does

ordered
list
work better?


May 15, 2013 | 3:44 am

No
it
doesn"t!


May 15, 2013 | 4:09 am

An url doesn’t open in another window/frame even if the option is checked (Safari 5.1.9).

And align center doesn’t work neither.


May 15, 2013 | 5:10 am

re : favorites – it’s odd, because you can see someone else’s favorites/started/followed topics by clicking his name, but not yours by clicking your name at the top of the page. But, you can see yours indeed by clicking your name in a message you posted !


May 15, 2013 | 9:42 am

@Patrick, you should now be able to add ordered and unordered lists to your posts. The links should also now open in new windows as well.


May 15, 2013 | 9:43 am

I miss being able to click my login name and seeing the threads I started or contributed to – its the first thing I check normally.


May 15, 2013 | 9:51 am

@vichug:

re : favorites – it’s odd, because you can see someone else’s favorites/started/followed topics by clicking his name, but not yours by clicking your name at the top of the page. But, you can see yours indeed by clicking your name in a message you posted !

Do you mean clicking your name on the login section in the header? We also have a few more updates to the header soon, so I’ll definitely put that in the list of things to consider.

@basvlk

I miss being able to click my login name and seeing the threads I started or contributed to – its the first thing I check normally.

Sounds like the same feedback as @vichug. Is this right?


May 15, 2013 | 12:46 pm

…my avatar looks well-cool now :¬)


May 15, 2013 | 2:45 pm

Forum search is broken for me in Chrome but not Firefox – by that I mean that in firefox I see a search box, but in Chrome I see a message saying "loading" that is never replaced by an actual search box.OS X Mountain Lion 10.8.3, Chrome 27.0.1453.81 beta, Firefox 15.0.1,

Screenshots of each behaviour are attached.

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  2. Screen-Shot-2013-05-15-at-23.38.46-

May 15, 2013 | 5:17 pm

Personally, I believe there is excessive use of whitespace. That combined with a generous-sized font and fixed width layout makes for excessive scrolling, paging, and clicking.

On my 1920×1080 screen…
Chrome browser on Windows 7…
when a thread is opened…

  • about 930px is fixed width used by messages in the center; leaving 1000px (more than half) of the screen unused/white
  • 51 px is likely too generous between the bottom of the date stamp and the top of the first line of next reply. There already exists a horizontal rule, extra whitespace is not needed
  • 116 px between the right of the avatar and the left of the text is far too excessive
  • There is 75 white usused pixels between the top nav (products, community, supports, shop) and the breadcrumbs (forms * misc). Visually distracting and also excessive whitespace
  • The breadcrums are not sized appropriately in relation to the size of the other text on the page. I recommend they be same or larger font as top nav and likely at least as large as the default text font size of messages yet
  • bookmark and heart at top left are positioned oddly. Yes they are left in your dov container, but there is nothing else left and they look out of place.
  • rollover of bookmark and heart are unrecognizable. Seems a bug.
  • The size of the (submit reply) button is excessive. Its 50% the width of the typing box. Waaay crazy big. Migth be nice to align it vertically with something. Or align the text to its right with itself.
  • I like the clearer instructions and usage of the tags allowed. Might be nice to link to a "how to" in the wiki for those not familiar with usage.
  • I like the idea of the blue attachment section. I recommend you not show the (add another file) button until they have first added a 1st file using the existing (choose file) button

Additionally in the main list of threads…

  • Forum Guidelines at the top is misplaced top-aligned to the Welcome text and right aligned with no space form the text
  • search box is floating all alone aligned with no one
  • Where can I see all my posts? I can no longer click on my name top right to see the list. I miss that.

May 15, 2013 | 5:19 pm

After just posting, I also see that the CSS is causing excessive whitespace between unordered lists and the previous/next paragraph. This I highly suggest be condensed.


May 15, 2013 | 6:21 pm

about 930px is fixed width used by messages in the center; leaving 1000px (more than half) of the screen unused/white

I’m OK with this.  Would you prefer that forum post body text wrap only at the edge of your 1920 pixel display?  Eyes don’t easily find the ‘next’ line of text from that distance.

bookmark and heart at top left are positioned oddly. Yes they are left in your dov container, but there is nothing else left and they look out of place.

They’re positioned directly underneath the path-to-post stuff.  That said, that stuff looks very out of place too. I’d suggest a line underneath them, something to draw your eye over to them. Or – a navbar of the main forum pages at the top of forum posts.  I think you’ve been calling them breadcrumbs, and I think the navbar I mentioned used to be present between the breadcrumbs and the site nav in the old forum.

116 px between the right of the avatar and the left of the text is far too excessive

Agreed!

Also, I’ll add one more gripe – I can’t seem to find a way to ‘preview’ a forum post. So, uh, I have no idea if this post will look as I intended it to.


May 15, 2013 | 6:35 pm

Back by popular demand:

You can now access your favourite posts and subscriptions by clicking on your name on the top right hand corner.


May 16, 2013 | 1:16 am

Just a few observations

When browsing at maximum width the Gravatar image icons are displayed with about 306 x 306 px. The originals have 100  x 100 px. I’d prefer smaller images at a maximum of about 200 x 200 px. This would reduce whitespace with short posts and make the image look better, as they are way too much interpolated at this size.

I think the quotations, especially when posted by staff members, are overdone with

a) indenting with a bar on the left
b) bold font
c) white background

Maybe just choose one. I’d recommend indenting and maybe also italic, but not bold as the quotation becomes more important than the reply.

Seems like no one else gets confused by the large font size in the forum post thread listings like i do. At least i would recommend to use as few as possible different fonts and sizes.

In general it would be great if the design of the website had a more strict (but still fluid) grid layout. I overlayed red lines at the many different vertical positions of elements on the frontpage.

Thanks for considering.

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  2. c74site_gravatar_and_quotation_staff

May 16, 2013 | 1:24 am

@ginger – woo! great.

 

Seems like no one else gets confused by the large font size in the forum post thread listings like i do. At least i would recommend to use as few as possible different fonts and sizes.

@Karl Kliem – no, I agree with you about the 14 pt font size on the thread overview… (and also the weird vertical spacing on the front page)

There’s always Stylebot, I suppose, if it’s only us two.

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/stylebot/oiaejidbmkiecgbjeifoejpgmdaleoha


May 16, 2013 | 1:30 am

@parkingsun — I love this stylebot thing.


May 16, 2013 | 5:11 am

@ginger yes it is the same :-)


May 16, 2013 | 7:05 am

(Correct thread now): It (the new forum software) seems to have limited or stopped the flood of spam each (EDT) morning… :)…he said hopefully….


May 16, 2013 | 7:16 am

just unsubscribing


May 16, 2013 | 7:58 am

Hey @parkingsun, is the search function still not loading for you? Do let me know. Thanks.


May 16, 2013 | 8:07 am

Re: styling suggestions

Thanks for all the thoughts and feedback. There is a plan to roll out more refreshes in the different parts of the site, so we’ll put all of these into consideration.

If it counts for anything, it would be awesome to get more feedback about how you guys are currently using the site, and how you are interacting with the content.

Are certain parts of the site more difficult to access?

Is there a type of routine you go through while checking the forums? How can we make this process easier for you?

These will then be more helpful in how we decide things like placement, how big fonts should be, and other spacing/structure issues. Qualitative info is always best.

@Karl @parkingsun, can you let me know why the front page listings are confusing at that font size?

@Charles, shh. The spambots might hear you. :)


May 16, 2013 | 9:23 am

Thanks @ginger – no, I fixed it in the end – turns out my Ghostery settings were too aggressive.

re: front page. Not "confusing" so much as "jarring". The font is 18px, which is a size not used anywhere else that i could see. So the text is suddenly randomly bigger than the text of the posts themselves – which are presumably not too small because otherwise we couldn’t read those, right? Also it means the page has to be pretty wide to fit all the headings in. More generally, there are enough different font sizes, capitalisation conventions, different amounts of spacing around headings, and font-weights around the front pages and inner pages of the forums that the site, despite all the white space, feels "busy" to me. YMMV, of course.


May 16, 2013 | 11:07 am

Hi Ginger,

the thing that distracts me the most is indeed the font size of the topic column. It should be smaller for better readability. It seems like the tracking is too small for the large font as well. (The relation of the letter width to the distance between each letter). And, as Parkingsun described, there are just too many font variations. Different fonts, font sizes, font colors, some upper-case, some normal. Some left aligned, some right aligned. Voices and posts i would align right i guess.

Reduce complexity and assign relevance to the remaining parts. Every distinction that has no relevance distracts somehow. I would try to use the same font, font weight and size for the most part. And just use different colors for links, hover and visited links. The alternating background colors in the listing are very good for readability i think.


May 17, 2013 | 3:27 am

Hi , would be practical in sense of UE and ergonomy to place the link FORUMS e.g. here: FORUMS>MISC also on the down of a topic-page, to avoid to have to re-scroll on top again.

Best,
Helmuth


May 17, 2013 | 4:50 am

In using the system a bit more, I have a few more pieces of feedback

  • How can I report spam? The "this is spam" link is gone.
  • Having the date of a post at the bottom of the post reply confuses me. I believe the date should be at the top of a reply like all other frequently used tools like email systems, facebook, google plus. Having it at the bottom causes cognitive dissonance for needed to relearn, remember to switch between all the common communication tools, as well as confusing does the date go with the post above (even though there is a large amount of whitespace separate it from that post) or under (in which it is closer to)
  • On the main post listing page, top column headers, I do not prefer "voices". I get that someone wants to create a more warm fuzzy "we all have voice" feeling…however…its more relearning and I doubt in the end will really help much. When we write an email or facebook message, we have "to, cc, bcc" not "voices". Additionally, the column headers should match intention. Currently, is listed "voices" yet the 3rd column lists "last poster". While I don’t suggest you continue "voices", if you were, then I think it should read "last voice"
  • I have always been curious on how a post gets moved into one of the topic groups like "gen" "dev" or "misc". I usually apply tags to my posts but those tags don’t seem to directly related to the groupings. This, while not causing me distress, has puzzled me.
  • A cool to heave feature might be to provide some hover/preview functionality in the lists of posts page. Perhaps, if you were to mouse over a post, then the title of that link (techy talk) could be several lines of the original or last post on that topic. It -maybe- can help us more quickly look through posts for those of interest of ones in which we want to contribute.
  • I’m not a fan of all caps. Isn’t there a good amount of research showing our eyes/minds (for those using greco-roman character sets) perfer the upper/lower mix? If so, I would prefer the "last poster" column to not be all caps for easier reading/scanning.
  • In the forums, top right-ish, enter a search. click search to get results. Now at the top are two search boxes at the top right. One is probably enough. ;-)
  • In the main posts list, I greatly prefer the attachment-clip to be to the right of the title. Putting it on the left makes for difficult scanning of the topic titles. Also, the visual weight of the graphic is overwhelming compared to the light thin nature of the font being used
  • In several forum/help/customer support systems, I have seen the system automatically show previous topics/FAQs after a person types the title or post text. I could imagine something like that here to help people find there answers immediately + reduce redundant posts.

May 17, 2013 | 6:05 am

As I am clicking (accidentially) on the favorite and bookmark icons at the top, it strikes me that the current distinction/idea is a little odd to me.

First, the icon for subscription doesn’t work for me. The icon, to me, is a bookmark (or an award, prize, or medal). And cognitively, the bookmark implies only that…not a subscription. Therefore, the two icons at the top represent the same idea to me and require me to think about the difference between a bookmark and a heart. Which is nonsense. So then I have to think deeper and that’s too much thinking. I suggest a better icons be created to represent a subscription.

It seems, the bookmark (aka subscription) is a way for the forum system to notify me when someone posts on a topic.

The favorite (heart) is a way for the system to keep in a list topics that I choose and can access them in my profile settings.

Here’s the oddity. I can not think of a real-world situation where I have a topic that is NOT a favorite yet *I DO* subscribe to it. For me, the important thing is that it is a favorite. Then, there is a subset of favorites to which I subscribe. Consider in the future…I want to stop receiving notifications for a post yet I want to keep it as a favorite. I have to remember to do the switchover…and then do a lot of clicking to switch the post from one to the other.

Consider how Microsoft’s MSDN forums does it. They keep a list of threads in which I’ve posted. They don’t have favorites. However, for the posts in which I’ve participated, they have the choice for me to be "alerted" on that post. They have a ringing bell to represent the alert. I could image a similar metaphor.

I like the distinction of favorites. I like that my profile also lists all the posts in which I’ve participated. I suggest that the bookmark/subscription be changed to be something like an alert. Then I can be alerted on posts which I have marked as favorites -or- posts I haven’t.

 



dtr
May 17, 2013 | 6:39 am

The firefox display issues seem to be fixed indeed.

Another thing: reply notifications are enabled by default for all my new posts. I’d like that off. Really don’t need to be notified about all the topics I post in. Default on for my own new topics makes sense though.

I also didn’t see where you can unsubscribe from a topic. (edit: seems that works through editing a post)


May 17, 2013 | 8:12 am

@diablodale, thanks for all the great feedback. I agree with a lot of it.

@dtr, thanks for the suggestion. You can unsubscribe from a topic at the top, the icon that currently looks like a little bookmark (but may change to a bell based on the good suggestion of diablodale.)



dtr
May 17, 2013 | 8:24 am

I think I see the icon but I can’t click it. My cursor doesn’t change into the link graphic and nothing happens when clicked. Seems my browser doesn’t see the link.

FF 20.0 on OSX 10.7.5 this time.


May 17, 2013 | 4:10 pm

Found an issue. When you copy compressed from Max and then paste it into a message, the new board software isn’t dealing with the encasing <pre><code> well. It is just leaving it as literal plain text and within it dong the nitfy clicking oicon thing.

See http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/head-coupled-perspective-or-fish-tank-virtual-reality/#post-249718


May 17, 2013 | 4:12 pm

Also, that link I just pasted directly above in the reply…the forum didn’t change it to be a link. Must we do that manually from now on? I hope not.


May 17, 2013 | 5:03 pm

Hey dudes

You’ll notice an update of the site. Thanks again for the great feedback. We’ve tried our best to address everyone’s concerns, especially suggestions and ideas regarding the forum.

As many of you know, the C’74 site’s been around for a while, and of course with that comes a lot of updating older code, adapting to new frameworks and kicking tires along the way. There will always be lots of details to consider, and I appreciate everyone’s patience (and enthusiasm!) as we iron these out.

Quick overview:

  • Max Patcher code: this is a known bug and happens when the patch is pasted via the Visual editor. When the patch is pasted via the Text editor, the <pre> and <code> tags are stripped.
  • Subscription notifications are now represented by a bell instead of the vague bookmark/prize/lizard tongue shape.
  • Dates for posts now shown above the content, not below.
  • Adjustments on type size and spacing throughout the site.
  • Firefox issue of users not being able to click on the topic icons (Subscribe/Favorite) now fixed. If you are subscribed to the topic, the bell should be a filled in shape. If not, it shows an outline. Same with the heart.
  • Added breadcrumbs/links to the bottom of the topic pages for easier navigation back to forums.
  • Search results page should only now show one search box.

 


May 17, 2013 | 5:12 pm

@ginger Also, you are now MC Hammerhead Shark.


May 17, 2013 | 6:25 pm

@mushoo knows what’s up.


May 17, 2013 | 10:19 pm

not sure if this is forum related, but it’s website-related:

 

The new navigation menu on top – the links are only highlighted if I point my cursor directly on the words – however, once the word is highlighted, the whole box of that word remains highlighted.

would make much more sense if the whole box was a link?

 

On Chrome 26, MacOSX 16.8.


May 17, 2013 | 10:24 pm

Any ETA for the return of RSS feeds?


May 18, 2013 | 1:53 am

I like the new minimalist layout and menu bar on the website. And i think it was a good idea to put the forum link to the top hierarchy level.

Please check the website on the iPhone now. The menu takes half of the screen.

It would be nice to have dropdown menus again, as the website is not the fastest loading and this way one could get quicker to the next hierarchy level.

Thanks for changing the font size to 15 px in the forum thread listing. It looks much better to me. (But don’t forget to change the font size of the voices and posts columns as well)

It took a while until i found out about the C74 blog. I always thought it deserved a more prominent place, but i can’t tell where that would be.

Thanks for the quick implementations of suggestions overall.

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May 18, 2013 | 1:57 am

RSS is working for me (for forums themselves, at least), although I don’t know if the feed titles have been fixed.


May 18, 2013 | 5:04 am

It seems I’ve lost 2 years of great favourite threads :(((((((( Is there a way to recover them ? please please please ?

edit : found them if I click on my name next to the post but this is not reflected if I click on ‘Hi, my name’ in the upper menu bar. Hence my confusion. Two years of roaming on the forum are back !


May 18, 2013 | 6:54 am

I’m having real problems unsubscribing from email updates: it’s unclear in the interface. I suspect the tickbox below should unsubscribe me ("   NOTIFICATIONS? ") but I"m sure it doesnt actually do anything unless you subsequentlly…. …. … submit a reply? go to a different page?

 

it would be great if the email notifications themselves had a clear instruction on how to unsubscribe: right now it just says

 

"You are receiving this email because you subscribed to a forum topic. Login and visit the topic to unsubscribe from these emails."

 

But when you log in it is not clear where to go to unsubscribe. I’ve never had email updates before, I don’t really want them either but I’ve been getting a lot since the forum update.

apologies if this has been posted already – I did not go through this thread before posting this


May 18, 2013 | 8:42 am

thanks for the feedback everyone!

@laonikoss yes.
@chrismuir still working on redirecting old RSS links, but the new RSS links are working well. suggest you migrate to those if it’s not too difficult to do with your reader. (not sure how many different feeds you’re subscribed to.)
@stephanemorisse when i click on your name to go to your profile i can see a lot of favorites. are those what you mean? or do you mean something else?
@basvlk good suggestion. clicking the bell icon at the top of the topic should unsubscribe you.


May 18, 2013 | 11:47 am

@Karl, that screenshot looks buggy to me. I’ve made some adjustments to the mobile nav again. The nav should just be a bar up top, with a dropdown option.

Should look like this:

http://cl.ly/image/2A3G100p1D2m

Let me know if that is still not showing for you.

Also, the voices and posts should be the same font size as the topic title. Are you seeing something different as well?


May 18, 2013 | 11:51 am

OK, I’ve changed my RSS url, and the new one seems to work fine,


May 19, 2013 | 3:49 pm

Hi, apologies if this has already been mentioned somewhere in this thread, but if you have a stupidly long username with no gaps in it, the text overreaches the grey box under the user pic, causing ugliness.

<<<< Look!


May 19, 2013 | 3:58 pm

…also, I’ve noticed that if you hover the cursor over the user name, some – not all – reveal the associated email address in the bottom left hand corner of the screen. "cycling74.com/forums/users/somebodyhotmailcouk"

Seems like a bug


May 20, 2013 | 7:23 am

@goodparleyandorfing the transformed email address you see there is your username. It appears that some % of people have a username that’s derived from their email address. Have a look through this thread and you’ll see that not everybody is like this.

Unfortunately changing usernames is not something that is possible for you to do yourself, but we can change it for you.


May 20, 2013 | 8:34 am

@Ben

could you clarify which bell means "unsubscribed"? The hollow or the filled?

 

Ta ta

Brendan



dtr
May 20, 2013 | 8:50 am

hollow



dtr
May 20, 2013 | 8:52 am

and f*ck… by replying i subscribed myself again. defaulting to notification’s a real pita!


May 20, 2013 | 11:54 am

TMenu bar is a disaster ubder Android ICS. Avatar alignnent umpinges on text vox.

cant see my text either

 

 

 

 

 


May 20, 2013 | 11:57 am

Hey @noob_meister, can you post a screenshot? Thanks.


May 20, 2013 | 12:32 pm

Hi Ginger

Curiouser and curiouser. On my smartphone, when I access the forum by clicking the post link in the related email notification, the web layout behaves itself: the forum menu bar appears as a dropdown menu and everything seems fine. If I browse to the forum via DuckDuckGo, the layout is banjanxed (a technical term in web-design and html, it means "fubar"). A screenshot would be tricky – unless there’s an Android screenshot app. I’m not really that dependent on my Android browser anyway……

Brendan


May 20, 2013 | 1:15 pm

The toolbox icon isn’t clickable for me (as in, under the user avatar/name). Actually none of those icons are clickable for me.


May 21, 2013 | 5:10 pm

@Rodrigo, that’s fixed now. Thanks.

@Brendan, interesting. I looked into DuckDuckGo. Might be something to do with their customizable browser options.


May 22, 2013 | 1:20 am

The spambots have found us.

http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/ann-nyc-making-max-make-music-with-markov-chains/#post-250207

Can we get a "report" button? I’d prefer a "deliver me the head of the person responsible for this garbage" button, but…


May 22, 2013 | 6:34 am

@ben and @ginger, good work on all this!

This may have already been answered, and I may have just missed it in the previous 88 posts to this thread: How can I see "subscribed topics" (aka "replied to" threads) that date from before this latest batch of forum updates?

Also, FWIW, page changes still take a long time (ca. 10 seconds) for me, using Chrome 26 on Mac OS 10.7.5.


May 22, 2013 | 6:44 am

Painfully slow response times and I guess this also explains why I haven’t seen any RSS entries recently


May 22, 2013 | 7:00 am

@Peter thanks for the spam report. We’re working on getting the spam report button back asap.

@Christopher I believe subscribed-to topics from the previous forum software were marked as "favorites", but when I click on your profile I see that no favorites came through… puzzling. Maybe I’m wrong and there’s still a whole category of meta-data left to import. Let me investigate.

@dhjdhjdhj RSS feed links have changed, redirects not yet in place. Coming, although I understand that many reader softwares won’t follow redirects, so you may just want to update your feed links.

Finally, yes it’s too slow! Sadly didn’t realize this in testing because the database is under much less strain on our test server. Working to make it faster.


May 23, 2013 | 7:40 pm

One other cosmetic thing I notice: next to ‘logout’ at the top of the page, the username – mine, at least – overreaches the allocated space. It is a similar issue to the one I mentioned earlier..


May 24, 2013 | 4:13 am

Apart  from the slow speed (any insights into that yet?) I find the fact that almost every RSS entry starts with "Reply-To" very annoying.

Sorry for complaining but to me, this new upgrade feels like a serious step backwards.


May 24, 2013 | 4:59 pm

There is now a spam reporting link installed. To mark a post as spam, simply click the "SPAM" link on the bottom right corner and it will be immediately removed from the thread and reported to admins.


May 24, 2013 | 5:01 pm

Hey @goodparleyandorfing, I am currently doing adjustments to the header. I’ve made a quick change that will fit more characters up there, but I’m definitely working on making everyone’s username look awesome up there. Thanks.


May 27, 2013 | 5:02 am

Hey,

the SPAM button is really problematic for me : you just see it at the right bottom of a post, yet you can click it anywhere in the width of the reading area, and i made disappear two non-spam posts i was reading here : http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/jit-mgraphics-alpha-drawing-on-transparent-background/ (there was also one spam post) because i sometime click everywhere where there is no button, and it turns out the button is active where i thought it would not be. Also, i got a message saying something like "ERROR : you are not allowed to perform this action" – yet the message had indeed disappeared , i find no way to undo this. The previous behaviour had a confirm box with a "reason for spam reporting" which was better, but maybe there should be a confirm button – which would be not working at the moment ?


May 27, 2013 | 6:46 am

Thanks for the feedback @vichug – working on it.


May 27, 2013 | 9:55 am

currently the form almost freezes my browser. on heavy load the order of posts seem to get scrumbled.

and i just ran into the html versus comparison operators trap:

http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/cube-root-of-negative-number-is-nan/#post-250820

last but not least … thanks for bringing /pluggo back to url and search.


May 27, 2013 | 1:55 pm

Hi,

first of all thank you for your update efforts!

And thanks for integrating the forumlink on the bottom of the topic page.

another (in my sense) elegant feature would be a link on the top right of a topic page to jump immediatly down to the last entry.  If I follow a topic, like this one (we upgraded the forum software), I’m interested on the latest entries (ok, I could subscribe, but not wanting to subscribe every interesting topic…), so it would be a cool UE to jump directly to the latest (and not to have to scroll down like in the actual version); furthermore, when I log in then, actually I am placed back on top again, meaning I have to scroll down once more…

Best ,

Helmuth


May 27, 2013 | 2:14 pm

Hi Helmuth,

We discussed that idea. Myself I prefer to use keyboard shortcuts to quickly navigate to the bottom of a page. On mac use fn + right arrow. On PC I think it’s Ctrl + Page down.


May 27, 2013 | 10:11 pm

Hey Helmuth,

Another way (if you are coming from the forum’s front page) is to click on the "freshness" link on the far right hand side of the topic.


May 28, 2013 | 1:18 am

@Ben: ok, but its the very bottom of the page, still a bit to re-scroll up.

@Ginger, good to know, that’s cool!

Still, if logged in, I am replaced on the top of the topic page (freshness link not more visible).

Or is there another hint ;>)

 

Best,

Helmuth


May 28, 2013 | 5:03 am

I used to be able to see topics I had replied to on my user page, but when I try to go to the second page of my threads/comments, I get a ‘Page not found’ page.

I have to search for my username to find my last comments.


May 28, 2013 | 5:33 am

(@Ben : thanks be to you !)


May 28, 2013 | 5:46 am

Perhaps there is a forum<->search integration issue. I found it today doing a search:

  1. search for: scientific notation
  2. the 4th of 8 results is: Is it okay to use float in all arithmetic operators (and everywhere else …
  3. Note the link for that result is: http://cycling74.com/newest-topics/topic.php?id=11047#post-60001
  4. Click on the link

Result:
Server results the error: No input file specified.

Expected:
To see the post with no server error.

 


May 28, 2013 | 7:31 am

Attachment buttons didn’t work for me in my last post : I clicked ‘attach file’ then could browse to select the amxd I wanted to attach. Then clicked ‘add another file’ then got an error message. Tried again with same result. So I clicked again the ‘Attach file’ to select only the second amxd. When I published the post, there was no attachment. Then tried to paste a copy compressed version, but that didn’t work neither…


May 28, 2013 | 10:24 am

Thanks for all these reports.

@mike s I can reproduce that error, thanks.
@diablodale good catch. will fix.
@stephanemorisse what is the error message you see? Can you send a screenshot? How about if you compress the file first, does including it as an attachment work in that case?


May 28, 2013 | 10:57 am

#Ben nevile : zip files work…


May 29, 2013 | 5:26 am

Oddities when writing posts with code in them. What I would prefer, is in the "visual mode" of the post editor to click a button on the toolbar and it then show visually that I’m in a console-type fixed width font that respects all spaces and tabs that I enter. This allows me to type in code or copy/paste from my editor running in another window.

The text below the editor tells me that I can use the PRE tags. Being a dumb user, I tried typing bracket PRE bracket  into the visual editor and pasted my code. Being a little smarter, I saw that the PRE was changed into the entities and didn’t do what I hoped. That leads me to think that the red "you may use these htmls tags" help text below the editor is confusing to show in the visual-mode. I think it would be more useful to only show this in the text-mode because that’s the place it works.

So, I switched to text-mode. There, I saw on the toolbar a button for a CODE element. Yea! So I clicked it. Pasted my code. Clicked the CODE toolbar button again. Switched to Visual-mode.  :-(  All of my space and tab formatting was stripped. In addition, at the first line break, the CODE section was closed. This caused only the first few lines of my pasted code to be in the fixed-width font. The rest was back to the default font.

I switched back to text-mode. deleted what I did. Repeated. Removed the line breaks in the code. Switched to visual-mode. :-( All the code I pasted is in the fixed-width font, however, all the space/tab formatting has been stripped. This is undesired.

Switched back to text-mode. Deleted. This time, I manually opened a PRE tag. Pasted my code. Closed the PRE tag. Switched to visual-mode. :-) Hurray. This is my desired result: a fixed-width font with my space/tab formatting preserved.

While considering the above undesired behavior, please also consider the relationship between CODE and PRE in the text editor. It would be great for them to be reconciled so that there is only one -or- that there is access to each with clear indication on the distinction of each.


May 29, 2013 | 11:23 am

Hi Mike S, the pagination on profile pages should now be fixed.

Diablodale, I know the visual/text editor causes a few confusing issues. Yours has definitely happened to me before. We’re trying to find a way to make this less confusing. Thanks for walking us through your experience, though.

I prefer using the text editor when posting bits of code, myself.

But generally, PRE tags are used for multi-line excerpts, while CODE tags are used for inline excerpts.

eg:
PRE TAGS:

function foo() {
//do something
};

CODE TAGS:
This element is inline.


May 29, 2013 | 12:30 pm

@Ginger, ah-ha. I checked w3c and, yes, you are correct. I learned something today. CODE is for phrasing content and therefore can’t span a paragraph. I’ll bet an aged Twinkie that only a minority of people know that subtle yet important distinction. Is it possible to make it easy for the majority (me included)?

Have a button on the visual editor which denotes a poster wants to begin typing or pasting code. Then have the visual editor start using a fixed-width font and respect all further spacing/tabs/etc. Then when a person clicks that button again, end that behavior.

Behind the scenes, you do all the work to know when to use a CODE or when to use a PRE or a combination of both depending on if the poster has typed/pasted groups of phrasing context, etc. Just as if it was in a word processor and choose a fixed width font.

Over in the text-editor, just let people do whatever they want. They’re coding in html.

Just ideas. :-)


May 29, 2013 | 2:27 pm

Hi,

i might have let that slip, but is there a way to find a forum topic which i didn’t create but in which i did write a message, but which i didn’t save as favorite, or for which i didn’t ask for notifications ?


May 30, 2013 | 12:20 am

Interesting idea, @diablodale. I’ll see if we can wrestle up something like that. I was also wondering if the visual editor was necessary at all, actually. It could be personal preference, as I mentioned, but I find the text editor way easier to handle.

Also, you perviously mentioned an issue with searching the forums. I’ve tried to recreate this, but the results page seems to be pointing to the correct URLs now. Do you mind trying it out again and letting me know if it’s still causing issues with you?

@vichug, if you know the forum topic’s title, maybe try the search option up top?


May 30, 2013 | 12:21 am

@helmuth, I’ll see what I can do to help you out. :)


May 30, 2013 | 2:16 am

@ginger :  i didn’t remember the topic title :s i found it back but the list of "topic in which user answered" was pretty useful. I tried looking for my username, but the results were maybe not ordered by time, caus ei didn’t find it that way.


May 30, 2013 | 3:03 am

Hi Ginger,

I still can’t see topics I have commented on but not started. So I don’t know where my old comments are, unless I’ve started the topic.


May 30, 2013 | 3:22 am

Yeah, I can’t see topics I have commented on but not started either. I miss this feature a lot!


May 30, 2013 | 4:15 am

@Ginger, while in the PRE handing area, I encountered a problem yesterday. I was completely unable using the text-mode editor to enter in some code. The forum software continually stripped or mis-entity-ized things. I can’t even paste it here so I will attached it instead. The goal is to write a post like I am doing now, and then under it, start a big section where I can paste the attached code completely with line breaks, tabs, and spaces all with fixed width font.


May 30, 2013 | 4:16 am

Well, I guess I won’t upload that file…its just a text file. So…how can I send you the repro example? You are welcome to private me with then we can do it via email.



dtr
May 30, 2013 | 6:52 am

Am I paranoiac or is this the prelude to new spam attacks? http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/video-compressor-fail-need-help-optimizing/#post-251182


May 30, 2013 | 7:03 am

What do the bell and heart icons on the top right of the thread do? There’s about a 5 second delay between clicking one of them and their visual state changing.

 


May 30, 2013 | 10:32 am

Hey @diablodale. I’ve adjusted it so that the forums accept .txt files now. Please try re-uploading your file. (Still working on getting the Max patches on the list.)

If you want, we can start a new thread so that we can discuss as well as test the interface without flooding this one. Either way, let me know.

@DTR I hope not! :)

@dhjdhjdhj,

  • bell = sign up for notifications for the current topic
  • heart = mark the current topic as a favourite

Re: topics you’ve commented on but not following—will work on this feature


May 31, 2013 | 10:36 am

I must say I’m really annoyed by the forum guideline poping up, hiding the different forums and the lat post.

 


May 31, 2013 | 11:50 am

@yoann sorry to really annoy you. after you dismiss it, do you see that popup again? it should only show up once.



dtr
May 31, 2013 | 12:04 pm

i’ve seen it several times. not sure if i was logged in or not then.


June 1, 2013 | 8:20 am

It shows up once for each forum, if I’m logged in or not.

I usually don’t keep the forum open in the browser, I re-open it each time I have something to look for, so finally the popup is always there…

Maybe a cookie or something like this would be good.

 

Y.


June 3, 2013 | 7:00 pm

Comments started (but not listed as favourite or subscribed to) are now listed in your user profiles.


June 4, 2013 | 3:18 am

Hi,

using Firefox, i can’t see the search button on the forums pages.
thx


June 5, 2013 | 2:54 am

I can’t type a right curly bracket with a belgian keyboard on a Mac, i.e. option-)

When I do that, an "Accessibility Help" window appears…

 

p


June 5, 2013 | 3:05 pm

Hi,

I was wondering whether there was any solution to the broken RSS feed for the favourite topics. I figured out how to replace my old RSS feeds with the new ones, but I just can’t fix the favourites.

Thanks,
Ádám



dtr
June 6, 2013 | 1:07 pm

In my profile’s replied-to-topics list, the links for pages 2 and up are broken.


June 6, 2013 | 5:52 pm

Hey @DTR, the pagination should be fixed now.


June 7, 2013 | 10:21 am

@Francois Webber, can you post a screenshot? Here’s what I see on my Firefox browser window:

http://cl.ly/image/2v2n3p2d232e


June 16, 2013 | 7:55 am

Hi Ádám – what URL were you using for the favourite topic RSS feed? I thought I had converted all of the old RSS endpoints, but its possible I missed that one.

Ben


June 16, 2013 | 7:57 am

Hi Ben,

according to Mail, the address of the old feed is http://cycling74.com/forums/rss.php?profile=6785 .

Thanks,
Ádám


June 26, 2013 | 8:20 am

Relevant to my post #250245: Now on my page, under Recent Replies, it shows that I have 705 total topics, so apparently past topics should be available for viewing, but when I click on any button to take me to past topics older than the most recent 20 on the first page, I get a page saying, "The page you are looking for is not here :("


June 26, 2013 | 8:22 am

Same happens here.


June 26, 2013 | 1:05 pm

Thanks, Christopher, Siska. Looks like a bug. I will investigate!


June 26, 2013 | 4:12 pm

Hi guys, thanks for your patience. The pagination should now be fixed.

We’ve also set it up so that the list now show the topic, an excerpt of your reply, as well as a link to the last response made to that topic.

Can either of you kindly confirm for me that this is what you see?


June 26, 2013 | 4:16 pm

Hi,

yes and no. If I check my own profile, it works. However, if I check somebody else’s profile, it still gives the old error.

THT,
Ádám


June 26, 2013 | 4:20 pm

Ah, gotcha. Thanks for catching that. Should be fixed (for real!) now. :)


June 26, 2013 | 4:23 pm

Hi,

now it’s fine, at least here. Then only my other two reported issues remain in the queue. ;-)
(The broken RSS feed for the favourites and the missing "advanced forum search" option.)

Cheers,
Ádám


June 26, 2013 | 4:34 pm

We have a list! :)

I’d like to know your thoughts about the Advanced Forum Search request. May I ask how you use this, and what the current search feature is missing? It’ll help us figure out bigger picture items as well.

Thanks.


June 26, 2013 | 4:47 pm

Hi,

well, my thoughts are quite simple: it would be nice if there was an advanced search, like back in the old days a couple of months ago. Currently, there’s only a search button, but that doesn’t have the options that the old search had. For example, when I do a search, I get tons of irrelevant results like wiki-entries, did-you-know stuff and other spam, however, I can’t simply do a restricted search to find a specific thread only on a specific forum (e.g. the dev-forum). Without this feature (once already there in the old forum engine), the search option is completely useless. The issue was reported here: http://cycling74.com/forums/topic/new-forums-advanced-search-missing-again .

It was suggested by C’74 that we should use Google to be able to search the forums, but unfortunately the method described in that topic doesn’t work, at least not for me (I’m on Safari on a Mac, I don’t know whether that matters). However, it would be much nicer if we didn’t need to Google up the forums at all, but if we simply had the advanced forum search that once this forum already had…

HTH,
Ádám


June 26, 2013 | 5:03 pm

Yes, Ginger, the old topics under Recent Replies are now all available to me. Thanks!!


June 26, 2013 | 5:08 pm

@Ginger. Hi. I continue to see multiple rows for the same topic. Attached is a screenshot I just now took.

Attachments:
  1. dup21


dtr
July 4, 2013 | 2:22 pm

Hi, minor weirdness: on my mountain lion system links in the forum post listings turn white on grey on mouse-over/hoover. On my snow leopard system they turn dark grey on grey. The white on grey is bad for legibility. Both systems running Firefox 21.0.



TSt
July 8, 2013 | 2:35 pm

@Ben

thanks for your info about the accessibility
of private messages (now in the next weeks?)

I’m agree with the opinion of Roger Carruthers –
page buttons are useful and should be include in this forum


July 8, 2013 | 6:27 pm

Another gentle nudge for private messages… Ben’s last response was from almost two months ago.

Also, spellcheck is a bit annoying in its current form. Words are changed automatically often without my knowing (apparently I look at the keyboard too much when I type). The real issue is that it requires mouse action on a mini flyout to cancel each autocorrection and the system continues to correct subsequent words that I have already cancelled.. such as common object names. Perhaps object names can be added to the dictionary?

And for some reason, at times I get dashed red lines under misspelled words. Not sure why it happens sometimes and not others.. but it’s definitely more ideal. And still other times, there is nothing at all. My atroshous spelling is on display for all to see.



dtr
July 9, 2013 | 2:11 am

AFAIK spellcheck is done by your browser software, not the forum website.


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