chartsandgraphs

i just got a shiny new macbook pro and i really want to get cracking with a copy of max all of my own. unfortunately i just noticed the max 5 post on the front page. now i've got this predicament. it doesn't seem to make sense to make a purchase at this point in time, but "first quarter" 2008 seems so very far away. can anyone speculate on a more concrete release? or any details about upgrades and such?

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David Zicarelli said himself that the basic ideas behind using Max will not change:

"you still use the same basic collection of objects in the same way"

https://cycling74.com/story/2007/9/28/105551/882

First quarter 2008 is still months away. If you're really gung-ho about getting cracking with Max then several months is enough time to get through the basics. Cycling has always been a very end-user friendly company and I'm sure the upgrade scheme will be reasonable.

I'd say go for it now. You could always download the 30 day demo and check it out before dropping the money on the full purchase.

Quote: chartsandgraphs wrote on Mon, 01 October 2007 20:25

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> i just got a shiny new macbook pro and i really want to get cracking with a copy of max all of my own. unfortunately i just noticed the max 5 post on the front page. now i've got this predicament. it doesn't seem to make sense to make a purchase at this point in time, but "first quarter" 2008 seems so very far away. can anyone speculate on a more concrete release? or any details about upgrades and such?

First quarter 2008 is still months away.  If you're really gung-ho about getting cracking with Max then several months is enough time to get through the basics.  Cycling has always been a very end-user friendly company and I'm sure the upgrade scheme will be reasonable.

I'd say go for it now.  You could always download the 30 day demo and check it out before dropping the money on the full purchase.

Quote: chartsandgraphs wrote on Mon, 01 October 2007 20:25
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> i just got a shiny new macbook pro and i really want to get cracking with a copy of max all of my own. unfortunately i just noticed the max 5 post on the front page. now i've got this predicament. it doesn't seem to make sense to make a purchase at this point in time, but "first quarter" 2008 seems so very far away. can anyone speculate on a more concrete release? or any details about upgrades and such?
>
> yarr.
>
>
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I haven’t seen any official announcements of pricing, but in the past Cycling ’74 has provided a reduced price update path to the new release for people with licenses for the previous version. It has also generally made a special offer for recent purchasers of the previous version, although that might be moot for a purchase made today.

If I were you I’d get the 30-day trial, purchase a full license towards the end of the 30 days, and view whatever the update fee is as your premium for getting started earlier with Max/MSP.

If you’re a student I’d go for the extended student trial (something like 9 months), which should keep you going nicely until Max 5 arrives.

Caveat: nobody knows exactly what the future will bring. This is just an educated guess.

i contacted sales and hey told me it's probably (though they don't 

know for sure) to early for a discounted upgrade path.

btw anyone know what te policy is on transferring licenses i.e. 

On Oct 5, 2007, at 1:08 PM, Peter Castine wrote:

> I haven’t seen any official announcements of pricing, but in 

> the past Cycling ’74 has provided a reduced price update path 

> to the new release for people with licenses for the previous 

> version. It has also generally made a special offer for recent 

> purchasers of the previous version, although that might be moot for 

> If I were you I’d get the 30-day trial, purchase a full 

> license towards the end of the 30 days, and view whatever the 

> update fee is as your premium for getting started earlier with Max/ 

> If you’re a student I’d go for the extended student 

> trial (something like 9 months), which should keep you going nicely 

> Caveat: nobody knows exactly what the future will bring. This is 

http://www.facebook.com/p/Peter_Castine/562567537

i contacted sales and hey told me it's probably (though they don't  
know for sure) to early for a discounted upgrade path.
btw anyone know what te policy is on transferring licenses i.e.  
selling/buying one "second hand".

>
> I haven’t seen any official announcements of pricing, but in  
> the past Cycling ’74 has provided a reduced price update path  
> to the new release for people with licenses for the previous  
> version. It has also generally made a special offer for recent  
> purchasers of the previous version, although that might be moot for  
> a purchase made today.
>
> If I were you I’d get the 30-day trial, purchase a full  
> license towards the end of the 30 days, and view whatever the  
> update fee is as your premium for getting started earlier with Max/ 
> MSP.
>
> If you’re a student I’d go for the extended student  
> trial (something like 9 months), which should keep you going nicely  
> until Max 5 arrives.
>
> Caveat: nobody knows exactly what the future will bring. This is  
> just an educated guess.
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Don't, under any circumstances, get suckered into buying a used copy of 

MaxMSP or Jitter. It is in direct violation of the license agreement if 

30 days have elapsed from the original purchase date. Always buy from a 

> btw anyone know what te policy is on transferring licenses i.e. 

The policy is:
Don't, under any circumstances, get suckered into buying a used copy of 
MaxMSP or Jitter.  It is in direct violation of the license agreement if 
30 days have elapsed from the original purchase date.  Always buy from a 
licensed reseller.

isjtar wrote:
>
> btw anyone know what te policy is on transferring licenses i.e. 
> selling/buying one "second hand".
>
> thanks
>
> isj
>


https://cycling74.com/story/2007/10/5/92326/1303

I might also add:
https://cycling74.com/story/2007/10/5/92326/1303

I thought that it is possible to buy/sell copies that use iLok hardware key??

Last time I asked, Cycling support said this is OK.

> Don't, under any circumstances, get suckered into buying a used copy of

> MaxMSP or Jitter. It is in direct violation of the license agreement if

> 30 days have elapsed from the original purchase date. Always buy from a

On 10/5/07, Andrew Benson  wrote:
> The policy is:
> Don't, under any circumstances, get suckered into buying a used copy of
> MaxMSP or Jitter.  It is in direct violation of the license agreement if
> 30 days have elapsed from the original purchase date.  Always buy from a
> licensed reseller.
>


AWESOME! Thanks for the heads up, Andrew!

Andrew Benson skrev:
> I might also add:
> https://cycling74.com/story/2007/10/5/92326/1303
>
> AB
AWESOME! Thanks for the heads up, Andrew!


https://cycling74.com/twiki/bin/view/FAQs/PoliciesFAQ

> I thought that it is possible to buy/sell copies that use iLok hardware key??

> Last time I asked, Cycling support said this is OK.

>> Don't, under any circumstances, get suckered into buying a used copy of

>> MaxMSP or Jitter. It is in direct violation of the license agreement if

>> 30 days have elapsed from the original purchase date. Always buy from a

klif _ wrote:
> I thought that it is possible to buy/sell copies that use iLok hardware key??
>
> Last time I asked, Cycling support said this is OK.
>
> Klif
>
> On 10/5/07, Andrew Benson  wrote:
>
>> The policy is:
>> Don't, under any circumstances, get suckered into buying a used copy of
>> MaxMSP or Jitter.  It is in direct violation of the license agreement if
>> 30 days have elapsed from the original purchase date.  Always buy from a
>> licensed reseller.
>>
>>
>


well, i just read the press release. free upgrade! great news! thanks for all the help though. so many reasons to love this company!

Nice. Interface looks very clean and nice, and Presentation mode 

looks to be very powerful. I appreciate the graph/lines on the 

patcher, and the keystroke to instantiate new objects.

I see the dials have been updated, but not the sliders. Makes for an 

Looks great, and ill be stopping by AES to check it out in person. 

On Oct 5, 2007, at 12:05 PM, Andreas Wetterberg wrote:

> AWESOME! Thanks for the heads up, Andrew!

Nice. Interface looks very clean and nice, and Presentation mode  
looks to be very powerful. I appreciate the graph/lines on the  
patcher, and the keystroke to instantiate new objects.

I see the dials have been updated, but not the sliders. Makes for an  
amusing frankenstien gui.

Looks great, and ill be stopping by AES to check it out in person.  
Very exciting, thanks for posting this!

> Andrew Benson skrev:
>> I might also add:
>> https://cycling74.com/story/2007/10/5/92326/1303
>>
>> AB
> AWESOME! Thanks for the heads up, Andrew!

can we assume that if we already own Max/MSP but not Jitter, if we buy

Jitter now, the Jitter-for-Max-5 upgrade will be free when we pay for

> Nice. Interface looks very clean and nice, and Presentation mode looks to

> be very powerful. I appreciate the graph/lines on the patcher, and the

> I see the dials have been updated, but not the sliders. Makes for an amusing

> Looks great, and ill be stopping by AES to check it out in person. Very

> On Oct 5, 2007, at 12:05 PM, Andreas Wetterberg wrote:

can we assume that if we already own Max/MSP but not Jitter, if we buy
Jitter now, the Jitter-for-Max-5 upgrade will be free when we pay for
the Max/MSP-4.5-to-5 upgrade?

On 10/5/07, vade  wrote:
>  Nice. Interface looks very clean and nice, and Presentation mode looks to
> be very powerful. I appreciate the graph/lines on the patcher, and the
> keystroke to instantiate new objects.
>
> I see the dials have been updated, but not the sliders. Makes for an amusing
> frankenstien gui.
>
> Looks great, and ill be stopping by AES to check it out in person. Very
> exciting, thanks for posting this!
>
>
> On Oct 5, 2007, at 12:05 PM, Andreas Wetterberg wrote:
>
> Andrew Benson skrev:
> I might also add:
> https://cycling74.com/story/2007/10/5/92326/1303
>
> AB
> AWESOME! Thanks for the heads up, Andrew!
>
> v a d e //
>
> www.vade.info
> abstrakt.vade.info
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>
>
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>

Sorry if the press release is unclear about this. The version of Jitter 

that is slated for Max 5 compatibility will not be a paid update, 

assuming you are paying for the Max 5 upgrade (of course). You will 

just have to download a new Jitter version once it is available. If you 

are thinking of purchasing Jitter, there is no reason to hesitate at 

Keep an eye on the Cycling '74 website for news/info as it becomes 

available, and direct any questions about pricing and ordering to our 

business office via info at cycling74 dot com.

> can we assume that if we already own Max/MSP but not Jitter, if we buy

> Jitter now, the Jitter-for-Max-5 upgrade will be free when we pay for

Sorry if the press release is unclear about this. The version of Jitter 
that is slated for Max 5 compatibility will not be a paid update, 
assuming you are paying for the Max 5 upgrade (of course).  You will 
just have to download a new Jitter version once it is available.  If you 
are thinking of purchasing Jitter, there is no reason to hesitate at 
this moment.

Keep an eye on the Cycling '74 website for news/info as it becomes 
available, and direct any questions about pricing and ordering to our 
business office via info at cycling74 dot com.

Anthony Saunders wrote:
> can we assume that if we already own Max/MSP but not Jitter, if we buy
> Jitter now, the Jitter-for-Max-5 upgrade will be free when we pay for
> the Max/MSP-4.5-to-5 upgrade?
>
> A


why must you torture me so!