Any Macbook (non-pro) user here ?


    Nov 06 2006 | 7:21 pm
    Hello,
    I have ordered a Fireface 400 and I am going to buy a new laptop for making
    music with it. The Macbook (non-pro) with additional RAM looks interesting
    for these reasons:
    - it's a silent computer (I don't want any fan noise when recording)
    - it's cheaper than the Macbook Pro
    - you can use the JACK or Soundflower protocols on OS X, which is impossible
    on WinXP
    - anyway I will keep my Windows/Linux desktop computer
    Do you have any experience of using this computer with a Fireface 400 ? or with
    another similar professional interface like the MOTU Ultralite ?
    The most important thing that I need is a very low latency (128 samples or
    below at 44100 Hz) without any sound drop, while the CPU load remains below
    60-70%. Indeed, I will use this computer in live concerts as a polyphonic
    (Max/MSP) sampler, controlled by a MIDI keyboard.
    To give you an idea, with my current laptop there are audio drops at 256
    samples / 44100 Hz (HDSP sound card) if the CPU load goes above 30% or such ...
    Other example: in Cubase SE3, if there are 2 stereo tracks in a 88200 Hz
    project I have to set the latency to 2048 ... I don't want this anymore !
    (Actually, these bad performances are related to an ACPI / IRQ problem)
    Thanks for your help,
    Julien

    • Nov 06 2006 | 8:33 pm
      On 6 Nov 2006, at 19:21, julien breval wrote:
      > - it's a silent computer (I don't want any fan noise when recording)
      Says who? It not only has a fan, it has at least one firmware patch
      to deal with the fan being too noisy.
      -- N.
      nick rothwell -- composition, systems, performance -- http://
      www.cassiel.com
    • Nov 07 2006 | 1:53 am
      So far 4.6.2 is running brilliantly on my black MacBook with and without a Fireface 800. Runs relatively cool and quiet.
    • Nov 07 2006 | 8:37 am
      same here on my white MacBook 2.0 gHz, 2gb ram, Fireface 400....
      She is silent most of the time, but when she gets mad, she can really make a lot of noise !
    • Nov 07 2006 | 10:04 am
      Nick Rothwell wrote:
      >
      > On 6 Nov 2006, at 19:21, julien breval wrote:
      >
      >> - it's a silent computer (I don't want any fan noise when recording)
      >
      >
      > Says who? It not only has a fan, it has at least one firmware patch to
      > deal with the fan being too noisy.
      Not just that, I heard from a user who had to get the motherboard
      exchanged on a brand new MacBook because it was not only noisy but also
      SHUT DOWN after several hours of use. The shop that sold the machine
      said this is a known problem and it's even covered by Apple's garanty.
      So if you have one of the noisy one, get it repaired, not just patched!!!!
      Olaf
    • Nov 07 2006 | 10:24 am
      Thanks for your comments
      I read on the Internet that some Mac Book had various problems (shut down,
      plastic tape forgotten on the fan, etc) but these devices can be exchanged.
      So the question is rather: "is a NORMAL Mac Book silent [as was the Powerbook G4
      for example] ?"
      Olaf Matthes :
      > Nick Rothwell wrote:
      > >
      > > On 6 Nov 2006, at 19:21, julien breval wrote:
      > >
      > >> - it's a silent computer (I don't want any fan noise when recording)
      > >
      > >
      > > Says who? It not only has a fan, it has at least one firmware patch to
      > > deal with the fan being too noisy.
      >
      > Not just that, I heard from a user who had to get the motherboard
      > exchanged on a brand new MacBook because it was not only noisy but also
      > SHUT DOWN after several hours of use. The shop that sold the machine
      > said this is a known problem and it's even covered by Apple's garanty.
      >
      > So if you have one of the noisy one, get it repaired, not just patched!!!!
      >
      > Olaf
      >
    • Nov 07 2006 | 10:29 am
    • Nov 07 2006 | 10:31 am
      Thanks for your experience
      Would you record very quiet sounds with it ?
      matt :
      > So far 4.6.2 is running brilliantly on my black MacBook with and without a
      > Fireface 800. Runs relatively cool and quiet.
    • Nov 07 2006 | 10:58 am
      On 07-nov.-06, at 11:24, julien breval wrote:
      > So the question is rather: "is a NORMAL Mac Book silent [as was the
      > Powerbook G4
      > for example] ?"
      The PB G4 is silent as long as you don't launch Max/MSP :-) There is
      this extremely annoying buzz coming from deep in the motherboard that
      makes me maaad. As it is cpu related, I guess it doesn't happen on
      intel Macs. (I konw about nap stuff etc. but I prefer to keep my PB as
      cool as possible).
      p
    • Nov 07 2006 | 11:11 am
      So if I understand correctly the only silent Mac computers are the Mac Mini and
      the iMac ?
      Selon Patrick Delges :
      >
      > On 07-nov.-06, at 11:24, julien breval wrote:
      > > So the question is rather: "is a NORMAL Mac Book silent [as was the
      > > Powerbook G4
      > > for example] ?"
      >
      > The PB G4 is silent as long as you don't launch Max/MSP :-) There is
      > this extremely annoying buzz coming from deep in the motherboard that
      > makes me maaad. As it is cpu related, I guess it doesn't happen on
      > intel Macs. (I konw about nap stuff etc. but I prefer to keep my PB as
      > cool as possible).
      >
      > p
      >
      >
    • Nov 07 2006 | 11:16 am
      On 7 Nov 2006, at 10:24, julien breval wrote:
      > So the question is rather: "is a NORMAL Mac Book silent [as was the
      > Powerbook G4
      > for example] ?"
      Well, my PowerBook G4 is certainly not silent; the fan is running
      most of the time (certainly when doing DSP).
      -- N.
      nick rothwell -- composition, systems, performance -- http://
      www.cassiel.com
    • Nov 07 2006 | 11:19 am
      julien breval wrote:
      > So if I understand correctly the only silent Mac computers are the Mac Mini and
      > the iMac ?
      I have a MacMini (G4) that isn't silent at all. But my G3 Pismo is,
      still wondering whether they forgot to plug in the fan because I haven't
      heard it once in the last 8 years.
      Olaf
    • Nov 07 2006 | 12:26 pm
      07/11/06, kl. 12:19 +0100 , skrev Olaf Matthes:
      >I have a MacMini (G4) that isn't silent at all. But my G3 Pismo is,
      >still wondering whether they forgot to plug in the fan because I haven't
      >heard it once in the last 8 years.
      hehe - I had a Pismo, and also didn't hear the fan for years. Then i did
      a processor upgrade, to a 900 MHz G3 from PowerLogix. That for sure
      brought some life to the fan.
      /J
    • Nov 07 2006 | 1:41 pm
      yes, i might. it really depends on a lot of other factors. i would bet that there's ambient noise louder than the MacBook's fan, though.
    • Nov 07 2006 | 6:49 pm
      > 07/11/06, kl. 12:19 +0100 , skrev Olaf Matthes:
      >
      >> I have a MacMini (G4) that isn't silent at all. But my G3 Pismo is,
      >> still wondering whether they forgot to plug in the fan because I haven't
      >> heard it once in the last 8 years.
      >
      > hehe - I had a Pismo, and also didn't hear the fan for years. Then i did
      > a processor upgrade, to a 900 MHz G3 from PowerLogix. That for sure
      > brought some life to the fan.
      Similar on my Pismo, except I did a Daystar G4 upgrade. Even then, the fan
      would only come on in the middle of things like hour-long video rendering,
      hardly ever when doing audio.
      Gotta MacBook now. Quiet, not silent, and the fan does go on during even
      relatively light loads.
      Hmm. I'm gonna hang on to that 'ol Pismo for a while yet, I think!
      --
      J. Simon van der Walt ----- Composer
    • Nov 07 2006 | 7:09 pm
      Had the 2 GHz one for about 19 hours... It was crap --spontaneously shutting down or rebooting, even after minimal use. Traded-down for the 1.8. It's been totally solid. It's not silent, but it's not cool either, so I'm kind of glad it's not silent! ;-)
      The new firmware, AFAIK, was actually to make the machine louder, so to speak... to get that fan going so it wouldn't keep thinking it was frying itself. The rumor mill is buzzing with the thought of core 2 duo Macbooks. It wouldn't hurt to wait a little. I downloaded the little smcFanControl app you can find kicking around, and I actually turn up the speed a little when it's working hard. I'd like to have the machine last for longer than 9 months!
      my 2 cents.
      J.