Boolean flags and OpenSoundControl/udpsend


    Dec 05 2006 | 10:30 pm
    I am a Max/MSP newbie, and having some difficulty with the udpsend object and trying to get it to pass Boolean flags with OpenSoundControl UDP packets.
    I am trying to send the following message:
    /set "Input 1 Mute" true
    Which should get formatted by udpsend to the following:
    /set ,sT input 1 mute
    Instead, however, I get:
    /set ,ss input 1 mute true.
    I can't seem to figure out how to make the udpsend object recognize "true" as a boolean, instead of a string (or an integer if I send "1".)
    I have tried running all my message boxes through the OpenSoundControl external, but it doesn't seem to change anything (in sniffing the packets, it seems to be adding on some header information, but the actual data portion of the packet stays the same.)
    Any help is greatly appreciated...as I said, I am new at this and having some difficulty.

    • Dec 06 2006 | 12:03 am
      howdy,
      I am traveling quite a bit these days and am looking for something
      small that i could used to control my max patches live.
      Here i can use the Oxygen, or the venerable Peavey 1600, but i am
      really looking for something very portable that would
      have some of the knobs and maybe even sliders that one find on the
      top of the M-Audio Ozone or the Ozonic, but without
      the keyboard portion. I just want a small box for knob twiddling that
      i can throw in my luggage and keep handy for coffee
      house gigs and jams on the road. I gig with a huge rig here, but am
      trying to get a small gigable subset and moving a lot
      of my analog stuff to max and using a knob-box and some home-rigged
      controllers might allow me to be more portable.
      any suggestions?
      cheers,
      kevin
    • Dec 06 2006 | 12:32 am
      This just in:
      .e
      On Dec 5, 2006, at 7:03 PM, kevin parks wrote:
      > howdy,
      >
      > I am traveling quite a bit these days and am looking for something
      > small that i could used to control my max patches live.
      > Here i can use the Oxygen, or the venerable Peavey 1600, but i am
      > really looking for something very portable that would
      > have some of the knobs and maybe even sliders that one find on the
      > top of the M-Audio Ozone or the Ozonic, but without
      > the keyboard portion. I just want a small box for knob twiddling
      > that i can throw in my luggage and keep handy for coffee
      > house gigs and jams on the road. I gig with a huge rig here, but am
      > trying to get a small gigable subset and moving a lot
      > of my analog stuff to max and using a knob-box and some home-rigged
      > controllers might allow me to be more portable.
      >
      > any suggestions?
      >
      >
      >
      > cheers,
      >
      > kevin
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
    • Dec 06 2006 | 12:58 am
    • Dec 06 2006 | 1:15 am
      I'd like to partially hijack this thread:
      I'm looking for something very similar to what Kevin described, but I
      have two more details to add.
      1. MIDI out (with Mackie Control emulation?)
      2. Good quality construction - I tried a Novation and was terribly
      disappointed by the physical quality of the controller components. I
      need something that can be played musically. (If I'm touching it, it's
      not all about the software.)
      If responses to Kevin's inquiry could also address these details, I'd be
      grateful.
      Thanks!
      -Jon
      kevin parks wrote:
      > yes totally the type of thing i am looking for.
      > That is dang sexy ....
      >
      > On Dec 5, 2006, at 7:32 PM, Ean White wrote:
      >> http://www.kentonuk.com/kenton/killamix/killamix.html
      >>
      >> On Dec 5, 2006, at 7:03 PM, kevin parks wrote:
      >>
      >>> I am traveling quite a bit these days and am looking for something
      >>> small that i could used to control my max patches live.
    • Dec 06 2006 | 1:41 am
      I should also mention, one controller that i wonder about is the
      M-Audio Trigger Finger MIDI Controller with Pads
      This isn't nearly as small or as portable as i'm hoping for, nor was
      it the configuration i had in mind (i'd rather have more knobs
      and sliders and fewer trigger pads) but the price is right @ right
      around
      2 bills. ... hmm...
      -k--
    • Dec 06 2006 | 2:26 am
      I've been using the Evolution UC-33 for a few months now, and I like
      it quite a bit. I replaced my PC-1600x and an old FaderMaster with it.
      ----
      Steven M. Miller
      Associate Professor of Contemporary Music
      College of Santa Fe
      Contemporary Music Program
      1600 St. Michaels Drive
      Santa Fe NM 87505
      http://pubweb.csf.edu/~smill
      (505) 473-6197
      SFIFEM
      Atrium Sound Space
      OVOS
    • Dec 06 2006 | 2:48 am
      That's my front runner. I was hoping for something smaller still, but
      it is
      in the running.
      I hear various things about the Berhinger... word is they are okay if
      you get one
      that actually works, but apparently that is not a given...
      The Evolution looks sweet, but i wish they made one about 1/2 the
      size, and sans
      faders... still looks nice.
      -kp--
      On Dec 5, 2006, at 9:26 PM, Steven Miller wrote:
      > I've been using the Evolution UC-33 for a few months now, and I
      > like it quite a bit. I replaced my PC-1600x and an old FaderMaster
      > with it.
      >
      > http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/UC33e-main.html
      >
      > ----
      > Steven M. Miller
      >
      > Associate Professor of Contemporary Music
      > College of Santa Fe
      > Contemporary Music Program
      > 1600 St. Michaels Drive
      > Santa Fe NM 87505
      > http://pubweb.csf.edu/~smill
      > (505) 473-6197
      >
      > SFIFEM
      > Atrium Sound Space
      > OVOS
      >
      >
    • Dec 06 2006 | 2:56 am
      I don't think they manufacture this item any longer but you might
      find one used on eBay or Craigs List
      check the FAQ here:
    • Dec 06 2006 | 4:49 am
      Evolution used to make a small controller with 16 knobs.
      UC-16 i think it was called. Don't know why they stopped
      making them, but you can find them on ebay. Other than
      that, there aren't too many options. I was actually very excited
      when I saw the Kenton controller, I really like the x-y joystick.
      But the price is outrageous.
      Anthony
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Ean White"
      To:
      Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 6:32 PM
      Subject: Re: [maxmsp] small portable controller boxes
      > This just in:
      >
      > http://www.kentonuk.com/kenton/killamix/killamix.html
      >
      > .e
      >
      >
      > On Dec 5, 2006, at 7:03 PM, kevin parks wrote:
      >
      > > howdy,
      > >
      > > I am traveling quite a bit these days and am looking for something
      > > small that i could used to control my max patches live.
      > > Here i can use the Oxygen, or the venerable Peavey 1600, but i am
      > > really looking for something very portable that would
      > > have some of the knobs and maybe even sliders that one find on the
      > > top of the M-Audio Ozone or the Ozonic, but without
      > > the keyboard portion. I just want a small box for knob twiddling
      > > that i can throw in my luggage and keep handy for coffee
      > > house gigs and jams on the road. I gig with a huge rig here, but am
      > > trying to get a small gigable subset and moving a lot
      > > of my analog stuff to max and using a knob-box and some home-rigged
      > > controllers might allow me to be more portable.
      > >
      > > any suggestions?
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > cheers,
      > >
      > > kevin
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      >
    • Dec 06 2006 | 5:28 am
      Dang ... that is exactly the ticket! why'd they stop making those things
      that totally rocks!
      -k
      On Dec 5, 2006, at 11:49 PM, Anthony Palomba wrote:
      > Evolution used to make a small controller with 16 knobs.
      > UC-16 i think it was called. Don't know why they stopped
      > making them, but you can find them on ebay. Other than
      > that, there aren't too many options. I was actually very excited
      > when I saw the Kenton controller, I really like the x-y joystick.
      > But the price is outrageous.
      >
      >
      >
      > Anthony
      >
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: "Ean White"
      > To:
      > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 6:32 PM
      > Subject: Re: [maxmsp] small portable controller boxes
      >
      >
      >> This just in:
      >>
      >> http://www.kentonuk.com/kenton/killamix/killamix.html
      >>
      >> .e
      >>
      >>
      >> On Dec 5, 2006, at 7:03 PM, kevin parks wrote:
      >>
      >>> howdy,
      >>>
      >>> I am traveling quite a bit these days and am looking for something
      >>> small that i could used to control my max patches live.
      >>> Here i can use the Oxygen, or the venerable Peavey 1600, but i am
      >>> really looking for something very portable that would
      >>> have some of the knobs and maybe even sliders that one find on the
      >>> top of the M-Audio Ozone or the Ozonic, but without
      >>> the keyboard portion. I just want a small box for knob twiddling
      >>> that i can throw in my luggage and keep handy for coffee
      >>> house gigs and jams on the road. I gig with a huge rig here, but am
      >>> trying to get a small gigable subset and moving a lot
      >>> of my analog stuff to max and using a knob-box and some home-rigged
      >>> controllers might allow me to be more portable.
      >>>
      >>> any suggestions?
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>> cheers,
      >>>
      >>> kevin
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>
    • Dec 06 2006 | 6:35 am
      CS-32 miniDESK on ebay now
      Do you Yahoo!?
      Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.
    • Dec 06 2006 | 6:47 am
      yeah, uhm... thanks for pointing that out to everyone .... i am sure
      that wont drive the price up.
      On Dec 6, 2006, at 1:35 AM, Chubb wrote:
      >
      > CS-32 miniDESK on ebay now
      >
      > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
      > ViewItem&item=230060420609&fromMakeTrack=true
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > ______________
      > Do you Yahoo!?
      > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.
    • Dec 06 2006 | 9:18 am
      These are nice ...
      david
      On 6 Dec 2006, at 6:47, kevin parks wrote:
      > yeah, uhm... thanks for pointing that out to everyone .... i am
      > sure that wont drive the price up.
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > On Dec 6, 2006, at 1:35 AM, Chubb wrote:
      >
      >>
      >> CS-32 miniDESK on ebay now
      >>
      >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
      >> ViewItem&item=230060420609&fromMakeTrack=true
      >>
    • Dec 06 2006 | 9:22 am
      hi,
      also get a look at doepfer pocket fader, it's really portable! But
      you need knobs?
      cheers
      lorenzo
      Il giorno 06/dic/06, alle ore 01:03, kevin parks ha scritto:
      > howdy,
      >
      > I am traveling quite a bit these days and am looking for something
      > small that i could used to control my max patches live.
      > Here i can use the Oxygen, or the venerable Peavey 1600, but i am
      > really looking for something very portable that would
      > have some of the knobs and maybe even sliders that one find on the
      > top of the M-Audio Ozone or the Ozonic, but without
      > the keyboard portion. I just want a small box for knob twiddling
      > that i can throw in my luggage and keep handy for coffee
      > house gigs and jams on the road. I gig with a huge rig here, but am
      > trying to get a small gigable subset and moving a lot
      > of my analog stuff to max and using a knob-box and some home-rigged
      > controllers might allow me to be more portable.
      >
      > any suggestions?
      >
      >
      >
      > cheers,
      >
      > kevin
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
    • Dec 06 2006 | 9:24 am
      and also for knobs
      but it's sold out, look on ebay
      L
      Il giorno 06/dic/06, alle ore 01:03, kevin parks ha scritto:
      > howdy,
      >
      > I am traveling quite a bit these days and am looking for something
      > small that i could used to control my max patches live.
      > Here i can use the Oxygen, or the venerable Peavey 1600, but i am
      > really looking for something very portable that would
      > have some of the knobs and maybe even sliders that one find on the
      > top of the M-Audio Ozone or the Ozonic, but without
      > the keyboard portion. I just want a small box for knob twiddling
      > that i can throw in my luggage and keep handy for coffee
      > house gigs and jams on the road. I gig with a huge rig here, but am
      > trying to get a small gigable subset and moving a lot
      > of my analog stuff to max and using a knob-box and some home-rigged
      > controllers might allow me to be more portable.
      >
      > any suggestions?
      >
      >
      >
      > cheers,
      >
      > kevin
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
    • Dec 06 2006 | 10:29 am
      On 6 Dec 2006, at 02:56, Kim Cascone wrote:
      JLCooper also made something called the FM3 FaderBaby (of which I
      have a couple) - a very small, solid, metal sixteen-fader unit. The
      only downside is that it's MIDI I/O and MIDI powered, which means
      more linkage to make it work.
      David S. mentioned the FaderFox stuff - I see from their web site
      that there's a whole new generation of units. Again, these are MIDI
      rather than USB.
      (My control surface of choice is the CM Motor-Mix, but that only
      counts as small by the standards of 1980's MIDI rigs...)
      -- N.
      nick rothwell -- composition, systems, performance -- http://
      www.cassiel.com
    • Dec 06 2006 | 3:24 pm
      Steven, does this unit have the ability to send sysex messages or
      arbitrary length, in addition to continuous controller messages, like
      the venerable PC-1600x?
      Dan
      At 7:26 PM -0700 12/5/06, Steven Miller wrote:
      >I've been using the Evolution UC-33 for a few months now, and I like
      >it quite a bit. I replaced my PC-1600x and an old FaderMaster with
      >it.
      >
      --
      Dan Nigrin
      Defective Records
      202 Hack / PC-1600 User / VSTi Host / OMS Convert / Jack OS X
      http://www.defectiverecords.com
    • Dec 06 2006 | 5:26 pm
      Hi Dan,
      It does handle sysex, though not as easily as the PC-1600x - it's a
      little more involved to program. The manuals with all the programming
      info can be downloaded from the following website:
      Best,
      Steven
      On Dec 6, 2006, at 8:24 AM, Dan Nigrin wrote:
      > Steven, does this unit have the ability to send sysex messages or
      > arbitrary length, in addition to continuous controller messages,
      > like the venerable PC-1600x?
      >
      > Dan
      >
      > At 7:26 PM -0700 12/5/06, Steven Miller wrote:
      >> I've been using the Evolution UC-33 for a few months now, and I
      >> like it quite a bit. I replaced my PC-1600x and an old FaderMaster
      >> with it.
      >>
      >> http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/UC33e-main.html
      >
      ----
      Steven M. Miller
      Associate Professor of Contemporary Music
      College of Santa Fe
      Contemporary Music Program
      1600 St. Michaels Drive
      Santa Fe NM 87505
      http://pubweb.csf.edu/~smill
      (505) 473-6197
      SFIFEM
      Atrium Sound Space
      OVOS
    • Dec 06 2006 | 8:36 pm
      Thanks Steve - now that I read the manual though, it seems only a
      subset of sysex messages (General MIDI ones) are supported (GM 1 &
      2)....
      Dan
      At 10:26 AM -0700 12/6/06, Steven Miller wrote:
      >Hi Dan,
      >
      >It does handle sysex, though not as easily as the PC-1600x - it's a
      >little more involved to program. The manuals with all the
      >programming info can be downloaded from the following website:
      >
      >http://www.m-audio.com/index.php?do=support.manuals
      >
      >
      >Best,
      >
      >Steven
      >
      >On Dec 6, 2006, at 8:24 AM, Dan Nigrin wrote:
      >
      >>Steven, does this unit have the ability to send sysex messages or
      >>arbitrary length, in addition to continuous controller messages,
      >>like the venerable PC-1600x?
      >>
      >>Dan
      >>
      >>At 7:26 PM -0700 12/5/06, Steven Miller wrote:
      >>>I've been using the Evolution UC-33 for a few months now, and I
      >>>like it quite a bit. I replaced my PC-1600x and an old FaderMaster
      >>>with it.
      >>>
      >>>http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/UC33e-main.html
      >>
      >
      >----
      >Steven M. Miller
      >
      >Associate Professor of Contemporary Music
      >College of Santa Fe
      >Contemporary Music Program
      >1600 St. Michaels Drive
      >Santa Fe NM 87505
      >http://pubweb.csf.edu/~smill
      >(505) 473-6197
      >
      >SFIFEM
      >Atrium Sound Space
      >OVOS
      >
      >
      --
      Dan Nigrin
      Defective Records
      202 Hack / PC-1600 User / VSTi Host / OMS Convert / Jack OS X
      http://www.defectiverecords.com
    • Dec 06 2006 | 9:56 pm
      You could be right, Dan. I haven't yet gotten that far into the unit.
      So far I'm using it pretty much exclusively with/through MaxMSP,
      which (for my purposes, at least) obviates the need to program much
      inside the unit itself beyond MIDI channel assignments and controller
      numbers.
      On Dec 6, 2006, at 1:36 PM, Dan Nigrin wrote:
      > Thanks Steve - now that I read the manual though, it seems only a
      > subset of sysex messages (General MIDI ones) are supported (GM 1 &
      > 2)....
      >
      > Dan
      >
      ----
      Steven M. Miller
      Associate Professor of Contemporary Music
      College of Santa Fe
      Contemporary Music Program
      1600 St. Michaels Drive
      Santa Fe NM 87505
      http://pubweb.csf.edu/~smill
      (505) 473-6197
      SFIFEM
      Atrium Sound Space
      OVOS
    • Dec 07 2006 | 2:36 am
      If you wanna go the super-cheap route, grab a dual-analog USB video-game
      controller and swap out the analog joysticks for some potentiometers.
      This will only cost you about $20 in parts (not including whatever box
      you wanna use), and it's readily useable with the "hi" object in MaxMSP.
      I've made several live controllers this way. What's more, you
      generally get 8-10bit resolution with those HID devices vs. the 7-bit
      you get out of MIDI.
      Cheers,
      Andrew B.
    • Dec 09 2006 | 11:06 pm
      kevin parks wrote:
      > That's my front runner. I was hoping for something smaller still, but
      > it is in the running.
      >
      > I hear various things about the Berhinger... word is they are okay if
      > you get one that actually works, but apparently that is not a
      > given...
      The bigger problem with the Behringer: its not big, It's huge...
      > The Evolution looks sweet, but i wish they made one about 1/2 the
      > size, and sans faders... still looks nice.
      Unfortunately all the boxes I use are out of production:
      Fostex MixTAB: 50 controlers, small
      Doepfer PocketFader and PocketDial: rugged (fits perfectly to dlurks
      needs) also small.
      You might find Doepfers used, but the become rare... I never saw a
      MixTAB sold on eBay absolutely understandable...
      If it breaks I probably have to build my own.
      Another small option is FaderFox: http://faderfox.de/
      Seems small, the design is a matter of taste I guess...
      Stefan
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