Complete New boy needs a little direction


    Jun 30 2006 | 3:22 pm
    Hello and as my title suggests I am very new to MAX.
    I'm just working my way through the tutorials and along the way I have built a patch (based on Schillinger's system of rhythm if anybody is familiar with his work) that allows me to feed in numbers to create some crazy rhythms etc etc.
    My problem is at the moment I can only use the built in DLS on my MAC to produce sound. If there is anybody out there who could explain how I can route this patch to something like Absynth or better still open it up in Logic 7 so that I have better sounds to play with and the possiblity to record I would be very grateful. I cant seem to find an easy solution in the tutorials. Thanking youuuuu J.

    • Jun 30 2006 | 3:34 pm
      to use absynth or any other "virtual instrument"/VST plugin is easy
      withinmax with the vst~ object
      typically a message such as "midievent 144 $1 $2" send to a
      vstInstrument, where $1 and $2 will be relaced by the pitch
      (midinote) and velocity will play on the midi channel 1 on the
      instrument
      for use in logic, you have to save your patch as a pluggo (all is
      explained in the titorials) and open it as a midi plug in in logic (i
      guess midi-only plug-ins (non audio) are possible in logic - sorry i
      don't know the program) OR connect max-to-logic by some virtual midi
      best
      kasper
      --
      Kasper T. Toeplitz
      noise, composition, bass, computer
    • Jun 30 2006 | 3:51 pm
      Hi Kasper thank you. I have tried the vst~ but with little success and I'm afraid your description has confused me even more. I guess I just need to do a lot more work before I get to that stage. The probelm is I open up the VST~ in my patch but I'm then stuck and I cant find anywhere in the tutorials that tell me what to do in a clear way.
      Thanks again for your quick response!
      J
    • Jun 30 2006 | 4:06 pm
      check the vst~ help file - it's all there...
      to make it simpler, send the message "plug".... euh, check the attached patch
      _plug is for choosing the vst instrument
      _makenote chooses the length of the note (or rather sends a velocity
      of ZERO) - here its 1000 = 1sec: if your patch provides note-offs,
      dont use it
      with this patch you can play your virtual instrument (on its channel
      1, 145 instead of 144 would be channel2)
      best
      kasper
      #P window setfont "Sans Serif" 9.;
      #P window linecount 1;
      #P message 434 154 34 196617 1000;
      #P button 470 122 15 0;
      #P user kslider 142 61 54 0 36 48 31 12 0 128 128 128 128 128 128 255
      255 255 0 0 0 0 0 0;
      #P newex 232 255 48 196617 pack 1 1;
      #P number 267 214 35 9 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0;
      #P number 223 214 35 9 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0;
      #P newex 225 182 190 196617 makenote;
      #P user ezdac~ 145 512 189 545 0;
      #P user gain~ 167 353 24 100 158 0 1.071519 7.94321 10.;
      #P user gain~ 139 353 24 100 158 0 1.071519 7.94321 10.;
      #P message 149 301 105 196617 midievent 144 $1 $2;
      #P message 66 254 26 196617 plug;
      #N vst~ loaduniqueid 0;
      #P newobj 144 324 79 196617 vst~;
      #P connect 12 0 6 2;
      #P connect 11 0 12 0;
      #P connect 10 1 6 1;
      #P connect 10 1 11 0;
      #P connect 10 0 6 0;
      #P connect 9 0 2 0;
      #P connect 8 0 9 1;
      #P connect 7 0 9 0;
      #P connect 6 1 8 0;
      #P connect 6 0 7 0;
      #P connect 4 0 5 1;
      #P connect 3 0 5 0;
      #P connect 0 1 4 0;
      #P connect 0 0 3 0;
      #P connect 3 1 4 0;
      #P connect 2 0 0 0;
      #P connect 1 0 0 0;
      #P window clipboard copycount 13;
      --
      Kasper T. Toeplitz
      noise, composition, bass, computer
    • Jun 30 2006 | 4:22 pm
      Excellent thanks Kasper. I'll take a look at this later on tonight.
      All the best
      J
    • Jul 01 2006 | 1:08 am
      route it to a virtual midi driver and play it in your host...through noteout that is...that's what i do
    • Jul 01 2006 | 6:46 am
      great intro, sounds a little bit like :
      "i'm just a new boy !
      stranger to this town
      wher are all the goog timezzzzz ?
      (...)
      ohhhhhhhhh, i need a dirty women
      ohhhhhhhhhhh, i need a dirty girl"
      solo guitar
      f.e
      f.e chanfrault | aka | personal computer music
      > >>>>>> http://www.personal-computer-music.com
      > >>>>>> |sublime music for a desperate people|
      >
    • Jul 01 2006 | 9:13 am
      Excellent! Thank you to all those who have helped me out. I will now put them to the test and have a play!
      J
    • Jul 01 2006 | 2:08 pm
      Quote: james@mcwilliam.co.uk wrote on Fri, 30 June 2006 09:22
      ----------------------------------------------------
      based on Schillinger's system of rhythm if anybody is familiar with his work
      ----------------------------------------------------
      i wasn't, but it seems very nice : )
      don't know if i agree, but interesting nonetheless
      wikipedia says:
      "The thesis underlying Schillinger?s research into the properties and behaviour of music can be summarised as follows: music is a form of movement. Any physical action or process has its equivalent form of expression in music. Both movement and music are understandable with our existing knowledge of science.
      Schillinger's major contribution was intuitively recognising how to apply everyday mathematics to the making of music. He expressed the belief that certain mathematically derived patterns were universal, and common to both music and the very structure of our nervous system."
      now where's that metro...
    • Jul 02 2006 | 11:02 am
      He is very interesting indeed.... Some of his ideas are a little odd but on the whole his theory of rhythm is extremely useable. This theory alone is worth a look, check out
      Not many people know for instance that the Berklee school of music was set up with the sole intention of teaching Shillingers ideas! When I finish this simple patch I shall post it up so you can see how I've incorporated his ideas into Max.
    • Jul 02 2006 | 11:19 am
      cool, i'm going to div into it myself, i'll post if i make anything, will take me a while though,especially since those books are horribly expensive.
    • Jul 02 2006 | 5:13 pm
      > wikipedia says:
      > "The thesis underlying Schillinger?s research into the properties and behaviour of music can be summarised as follows: music is a form of movement. Any physical action or process has its equivalent form of expression in music. Both movement and music are understandable with our existing knowledge of science.
      >
      > Schillinger's major contribution was intuitively recognising how to apply everyday mathematics to the making of music. He expressed the belief that certain mathematically derived patterns were universal, and common to both music and the very structure of our nervous system."
      which is also known as the chaos theory, and you can
      find the same numbers and relations in what we call
      harmony (including scale systems)
    • Jul 03 2006 | 12:52 pm
      To be honest unless you have a leaning towards extremely complex 'science' like books I wouldn't check out the books yet. They are baffling to say the least! There is quite a lot on the net about his methods plus the PHD written by Jeremy Arden which is a good intro to Schillinger.
      The books are interesting though but very complex, and not in a musical way....