Degree Work,


    Aug 31 2006 | 3:18 pm
    Hey everyone,
    I'm about to go into my 3rd year Creative Music technology degree, and as an Elective we have to create our own Max patch.
    For 2nd year I created a simple to use MP3 playback patch to coincide with Ms Pinky vinyl, but this year im a bit stuck on what to do.
    I'm thinking about using Ms Pinky again but this time incorporating Jitter, Im wondering if anyone has a good suggestion on what to do, even if it does not include Ms Pinky or Jitter
    any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
    Cheers Chris

    • Aug 31 2006 | 8:26 pm
      I consulted the Oblique Strategies for you twice, and here are the words of the oracle:
      How would someone else do it?
      How would you have done it?
      Best, Trond
      Chris Johns wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I'm about to go into my 3rd year Creative Music technology degree, and as an Elective we have to create our own Max patch. > > For 2nd year I created a simple to use MP3 playback patch to coincide with Ms Pinky vinyl, but this year im a bit stuck on what to do. > > I'm thinking about using Ms Pinky again but this time incorporating Jitter, Im wondering if anyone has a good suggestion on what to do, even if it does not include Ms Pinky or Jitter > > any ideas would be greatly appreciated. >
    • Aug 31 2006 | 8:41 pm
      do something cool.
      P.
    • Aug 31 2006 | 10:31 pm
      If I had any time, I would be working on getting
      working in mxj~.
      -A
    • Aug 31 2006 | 11:33 pm
    • Sep 01 2006 | 12:18 am
      I am going to be more direct.
      Everyone, by way of consulting the mystic oracles, is indirectly telling you that you are in a Creative Music technology degree; the first two words of which infer that you have some creative music goals upon which you may leverage the power of this technology. We all get coders block, but the important part is for you to find your own path through your own musical ideas.
      Any technology, Max/MSP included, is a Waste of Time unless you have a need to apply it to.
      You must first have a goal, Grasshopper. What kind of music do you make? What kind of music do you _want_ to make? How could you make the kind of music you make more reactive, emotional, multi-faceted, endearing, or interactive?
      Whenever you are confronted with a blank canvas sometime it is helpful to stop looking at the canvas. Ideally the technology should become transparent. Composition, coding, and performance are there separate head spaces looking toward a mutual goal.
      Ask not what Max can do for you, ask what you can do with Max.
      A pragmatic solution?
      Start with something small and get it working, define its parameters, and then modulate these parameters in interesting ways. This will be an iterative process where the technology and yourself will create a music greater than the sum of its parts.
      $0.02
      b
      P.S. OR! Hook up Max to a weather monitoring system to sonify data from the atmosphere around the performance venue. Then use all of this data to modulate FFT bins that are analyzing the entire Ring Cycle. Drop this spectral data into Jitter and use it to drive the hue and luminance of "countdown.mov" (in the media folder). Add some random noise (use Litter Power for the best looking random values). Then use OpenGl (shaders w/ slab would be best) to change the brightness to almost black, and display on a 10 screen surround system. Make sure you use an mxj~ object for street cred.
      -- barry threw :: sound | (if you would see the stars clearly, http://www.barrythrew.com | look hard at the surrounding darkness) bthrew(at)gmail(dot)com | -Ooka Makoto 857-544-3967 |
    • Sep 01 2006 | 2:39 am
      I say, with no doubt, these people are all WRONG WRONG WRONG. peter how could you be so mean to this person? you must a patch which loops a live signal. not just any signal, it has to be guitar. you must loop and loop so your pieces build and build until you have Steve Reich at the end.
      I'm snide. I apologize. We can be a bit "heady" here in max land. Cycling personnel insist max is for EVERYONE. who knows how old, what music you like, or even if you care about this max class. I mean you could be in IAR and want to mix bands. there's NO harm in that. Theres no reason you can't use max for typical tasks which you just can't get done in other environments. It's just that We(I hope I can speak for everyone) take pride in using max, and most see it as a way to escape Prosumer equipment.
      Lets start again.
      why not build on your ms pinky patch? add some sensors to your set up to alter the behavior of your scratching. what if you hit a foot pedal and the beats in the mp3s reversed? why not put a piezo sensor under your turn table? What if you could record your performance and scratch that! add a gyroscope to your coffin and put it on pneumatic tubes so you could push it around and change the sound what if, as the you spin the records faster, your mp3 faded out and a second mp3 half as slow faded in, that way no matter how fast you spun your records, they would never go chipmunky.
      these are dumb ideas but you get the idea.... and stuff
      shut up matt
    • Sep 01 2006 | 3:15 am
      Quote: barry threw wrote on Thu, 31 August 2006 17:18 ----------------------------------------------------
      > P.S. OR! Hook up Max to a weather monitoring system to sonify data from > the atmosphere around the performance venue. Then use all of this data > to modulate FFT bins that are analyzing the entire Ring Cycle. Drop > this spectral data into Jitter and use it to drive the hue and luminance > of "countdown.mov" (in the media folder). Add some random noise (use > Litter Power for the best looking random values). Then use OpenGl > (shaders w/ slab would be best) to change the brightness to almost > black, and display on a 10 screen surround system. Make sure you use an > mxj~ object for street cred. ----------------------------------------------------
      Dang it, you stole my piece!
      Don't believe me, eh? We'll, here's the weather bit, as a teaser. You'll need CNMAT objects, Jasch objects, lp.katrina, ...
    • Sep 01 2006 | 3:45 am
      HAHAHA....
      lp.katrina
      gold.
      b
    • Sep 01 2006 | 5:52 am
      Chris Johns wrote: > I'm thinking about using Ms Pinky again but this time incorporating > Jitter, Im wondering if anyone has a good suggestion on what to do, > even if it does not include Ms Pinky or Jitter
      Point a camera onto the turntable, imagine how a sound would influence the visual, and imagine how the picture of a turning vinyl would treat the sound. Then implement it... ;-)
      If you neen a name for it, call it "Mental Feedback"
      Would make a nice competition model - what ever you come up with, share it...
      Stefan
      -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com
    • Sep 01 2006 | 11:02 am
      Hey guys,
      thanks to everyone for getting involved. I know im on a Creative Music technology degree and my end of year album is well underway, the Max MSp project is a seperate module called interactive technologies which I should have probably emphasised more.
      I appreciate that the possibilities of Max MSP are near endless, I also understand that the idea of the program is to aid the user in creating something from their imagination not the programs.
      I would like to add that I have also been playing about with the program, learning the coding (only been using MAX for a couple of months) and have managed to come up with some ideas, as Matt mentioned I have been trying to elaborate on the patch that I made for 2nd year,
      The reason I came on the forum was to just see if more experienced users had any ideas that I could be thinking about, not asking to borrow code or anything.
      Thankyou for your snide comments, greatly appreciated. Good to know that the Max MSp community can be so friendly and helping!!
    • Sep 01 2006 | 11:12 am
      apologies to those people with genuine replies, thankyou for your suggestions
    • Sep 01 2006 | 1:35 pm
      On 1-Sep-2006, at 4:39, matthew aidekman wrote: > peter how could you be so mean to this person?
      Mean? I thought the judgement was pretty encouraging.
      >> : WAITING. If you are sincere, >> : You have light and success. >> : Perseverance brings good fortune. >> : It furthers one to cross the great water.
      This thread has been like all good oracles: lots of great stuff in there, but you do have to dig a little to get it. And all have been more applicable than `The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches...'
      Good luck with the project.
      -------------- http://www.bek.no/~pcastine/Litter/ ------------- Peter Castine +--> Litter Power & Litter Bundle for Jitter Universal Binaries on the way iCE: Sequencing, Recording & Interface Building for |home | chez nous| Max/MSP Extremely cool |bei uns | i nostri| http://www.dspaudio.com/ http://www.castine.de
    • Sep 01 2006 | 1:55 pm
      Hrm, you know, I tthought the replies were pretty encouraging too. Maybe they're not what you wanted to hear, but you have to understand, when you get the SPIRIT OF JESUS IN YOU that anything is possible. Amen, you know?
      Time to go dismember a bagel and freeze some coffee [for later]. The real pitfall of creativity are the RUSSIANS, you should be blaming them, damn commie bastards.
      sinswinely yours,
      Shaquile o' Neil
    • Sep 01 2006 | 3:12 pm
      At least we start publicly judging instead of silently judging... ;)
      Seriously though, Chris, they were all "genuine replies". The more vague answers were not motivated out of hubris but simply from trying to figure out how the best way to help someone with creative block.
      The answers we gave are the same answers many of us would have wanted to get in the same situation.
      Good luck to you.
      b
      -- barry threw :: sound | (if you would see the stars clearly, http://www.barrythrew.com | look hard at the surrounding darkness) bthrew(at)gmail(dot)com | -Ooka Makoto 857-544-3967 |
    • Sep 01 2006 | 10:18 pm
      I think a good approach can also be to look at existing implementations of processes and try out alternate implementations. For instance, instead of a harmonizer with a feedback delay (which produces glisses), what about a harmonizer with a variable feedback path? Sometimes it goes through effect A (maybe just a delay), sometimes it goes through effect B (maybe a freqshift~?)
      Consider what the strengths of your current implementation are as well as the weaknesses. See if you can build a system which inverts the relationship between the two. A record player controlling the speed of playback is a continuous relationship; see if you can implement a system where the record player controls the speed of playback (...pitch) in a discrete manner.
      Decoupling input from output can also be a very useful trick; it can be as simple as having a table which is mostly linear, but has a few detours here and there. Something else is having modal behaviors. When in mode X, this scratch does..., when in mode Y, and so on and so forth. I try to create patches that have a tipping point where the behavior suddenly changes dramatically; they can be a lot of fun to play with.
      Peter McCulloch
    • Sep 01 2006 | 10:28 pm
      Hey guys,
      I must admit I was a fan of the oracle, it seemed optimistic it was only when Barry said "Everyone, by way of consulting the mystic oracles, is indirectly telling you that you are in a Creative Music technology degree" I took it that you were all taking the piss and being sarcastic with your answers. So im sorry if ive misread it, and you all had good intentions.
      Ive still got 9 months til the project needs to be handed in, so got a lot longer to learn the program, and make something worthwhile. Still new to making the patches though, was watching Leafcutter john at work, and hes got some pretty freaky patches especially his game controller.
      Cheers for all the comments
      Ps Stefan said: Point a camera onto the turntable, imagine how a sound would influence the visual, and imagine how the picture of a turning vinyl would treat the sound. Then implement it... ;-)
      I was thinking of using motion tracking using CVJIt I think and pointing a camcorder at the audience as Im doing a DJ set so their motion could somehow control a certain parameter, that was athought anyway :)
    • Sep 01 2006 | 10:48 pm
      Yeah. Please don't make the mistake of attributing my ill advised sense of humor for the rest of the hive mind. I'm the only asshole in this thread.
      It was all tongue in cheek. I should have thrown in a ;) for good measure.
      The best of luck to you. We've all been there.
      b
      Chris Johns wrote: > Hey guys, > > I must admit I was a fan of the oracle, it seemed optimistic it was only when Barry said "Everyone, by way of consulting the mystic oracles, is indirectly telling you that you are in a Creative Music technology degree" I took it that you were all taking the piss and being sarcastic with your answers. So im sorry if ive misread it, and you all had good intentions. > > > Ive still got 9 months til the project needs to be handed in, so got a lot longer to learn the program, and make something worthwhile. Still new to making the patches though, was watching Leafcutter john at work, and hes got some pretty freaky patches especially his game controller. > > > Cheers for all the comments >
      -- barry threw :: sound | (if you would see the stars clearly, http://www.barrythrew.com | look hard at the surrounding darkness) bthrew(at)gmail(dot)com | -Ooka Makoto 857-544-3967 |