different scaling for presentation mode


    Jul 08 2008 | 12:34 am
    Hi guys,
    Sorry if this has been asked, or if the answer is somewhere obvious and I've missed it.
    Is there a way to use the scale feature on comments, messages, and text-objects in presentation mode, and not have the scaling effect those same entities in regular patching mode? If not, will this feature be added in the future?
    Thanks.
    Zachary

    • Jul 08 2008 | 8:42 am
      Zachary Seldess schrieb: > Is there a way to use the scale feature on comments, messages, and > text-objects in presentation mode, and not have the scaling effect > those same entities in regular patching mode?
      some hours ago there was a related thread called "scripting with thispatcher in presentation mode" It might have the answer if I understood you correct. (If not clarify your question... ;-)
      Stefan
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    • Jul 08 2008 | 2:40 pm
      Thanks Stefan, it's related, but not the answer. I should have posted this question in that thread though. Oh well, too late.
      Here's the real issue. I'm talking about width AND height in text objects, messages, and comments. You can easily specify different box widths in patching mode vs. presentation, but you can't alter the height (which would require a change of font size).
      In the thispatcher helpfile, for example - in the moreScripting subpatch:
      1. find the message that says "script size var1 100 15" 2. click it - the width will change, but not the height/fontsize 3. Look in var1's object inspector at the font size, you'll see "11.595187" - not 15.
      Therefore, the last number in this message seems meaningless?
      However, you can just send a fontsize message directly to the object (or via the thispatcher) to adjust the fontsize/height of the box, without effecting the width.
      BUT, YOU CAN'T SPECIFY DIFFERENT FONTSIZES FOR REGULAR PATCHING VS. PRESENTATION MODES.
      This would be extremely useful for a future version.
      Don't get me wrong though. I absolutely LOVE Max5 - enjoy it more an more every day. Bravo to everyone at Cycling '74 for a true leap forward in interface design!
    • Jul 08 2008 | 5:55 pm
      We decided that presentation-specific attributes would be limited to the location of the box for the first release. Creating presentation-specific versions of other attributes would lead to an unwelcome increase in the complexity of the interface if it wasn't handled properly. You can say, "But I just want font size!" and then someone else will say, "I just want color!" and pretty soon every object has 2x the number of attributes and a feature that was supposed to make Max easier to use ends up making it harder to use.
      I have some ideas for handling the problem but it's a lot of work to deal with a very minor issue that only relates to people's desire to format the patching view of their patch in a more readable way.
      David Z.
    • Jul 09 2008 | 3:22 am
      But I just want font size! ;p
      Zachary
    • Jul 09 2008 | 4:45 am
      I wonder if a reasonable compromise could be an option to have the font scale with the size of the object. And instead of only letting us stretch an object box horizontally, stretch in both dimensions. Patcher and presentation mode already keep sizes separate, and GUI objects already work this way...
      If there was a such a feature I think I would want it on by default all the time.
    • Jul 09 2008 | 8:28 am
      Zachary Seldess schrieb: > BUT, YOU CAN'T SPECIFY DIFFERENT FONTSIZES FOR REGULAR PATCHING VS. > PRESENTATION MODES.
      ouch...
      Yes that is true, I think I requested a presentation font size attribute as well. Especially if you need BIG LETTERS (ouch) in presentation mode, its hard to move them to a usefull place in patching mode without eating way too much space...
      The work around would be to use a bpatcher for the big letters, but still its neither elegant nor intuitive...
      In most cases I need big letters, its some sort of time display, I made a bpatcher that acts like a number box for time, and its resizable...
      Stefan
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    • Jul 09 2008 | 8:41 am
      David Zicarelli schrieb: > I have some ideas for handling the problem but it's a lot of work to > deal with a very minor issue that only relates to people's desire to > format the patching view of their patch in a more readable way.
      I must say, the presenation view alone is a big step forward. Thanks for that brilliant idea. I don't know if the "some ideas" are on the same track. I guess I would make the inspector contextual, it would only show the presentation attributes like position (and font size) in presentation mode, and hide the patching attributes. And the other way around in patching mode...
      I can imagine that this isn't easy to implement...
      Anything which needs to be big in presentation mode eats unnecessarily space in patching mode. That is just the position and the font size attributes. Definitely not the color... I could also imagine a "scale font to position" attribute, which would rescale the font size to the appropriate choosen position...
      Just some ideas to address the problem...
      Stefan
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    • Jul 09 2008 | 6:29 pm
      how about a presentation-specific zoom-factor?
      i find myself wanting different zooms for patching and presenting.
      i know that zooming is not part of the patcher file and for a specifc view, but it IMHO it would make sense for presentation-mode and this wouldn't add extra attributes to box-classes.
      my 0.02 CHF
      /*j
    • Jul 12 2008 | 8:51 am
      jasch schrieb: > how about a presentation-specific zoom-factor? > > i find myself wanting different zooms for patching and presenting.
      It wouldn't address that specific problem, if a single object needs to have BIG letters and all others are normal.
      Its unlikely, that the presentation view has a single object...
      Stefan
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