does anyone know how to make a distortion?


    Oct 06 2006 | 1:03 am
    hey, sorry for another problem of mine... I'm just addicted to knowledge!
    I was wondering if anyone out there knows how to make a distortion effect? A little look around has pinted me in the direction of [kink~] to generate a phase distorion. But I'm not at all sure how to go about creating a distortion using the kink object? Anyone know how this can be achieved?
    Also, just wondering, does anyone know what kinda processes are used to make vintage sounding distortions? Max being very basic, I'm thinking it will be too easy to make a very digital sounding drive.
    thanks very much
    tom

    • Oct 06 2006 | 2:26 am
      There's overdrive~, and other objects like it. People spend a lot of
      many to get vintage sounding distortions, and I imagine it's not the
      easiest task to emulate a cranked marshall amp or a vintage stomp
      pedal. Doesn't at all mean that you shouldn't try!
      Keith
      On 10/5/06, register wrote:
      >
      > hey, sorry for another problem of mine... I'm just addicted to knowledge!
      > I was wondering if anyone out there knows how to make a distortion effect? A little look around has pinted me in the direction of [kink~] to generate a phase distorion. But I'm not at all sure how to go about creating a distortion using the kink object? Anyone know how this can be achieved?
      > Also, just wondering, does anyone know what kinda processes are used to make vintage sounding distortions? Max being very basic, I'm thinking it will be too easy to make a very digital sounding drive.
      > thanks very much
      > tom
      >
    • Oct 06 2006 | 3:12 am
      one obvious but often overlooked option is to actually use an analog
      overdrive stomper
      or preamp, which will have the virtue of not sounding like crap.
      ... The downside is that
      you *might* need to use a DI box or reamp box to get your signal to
      the right level, but i have
      had some luck w/o having to use a DI/reamp box but routing other
      devices through the signal
      chain before hitting the dirt box (for example my delay box which
      takes about any type signal and
      puts out guitar level sig)... since i have half a dozen dirt boxes/
      preamps/boosters sitting
      in my closet that is an easier option for me.... pleasing analog
      sounding squash hair dirt fuzz is easily
      had if you just do it in the analog domain. It depends on what sonic
      results you are ultimately after.
      But , If there is a Max object that makes yo $400 guitbox sound like
      it is '53 tele
      coming out a dimed out blackface Vibrolux, please let me know, you
      can save me
      a huge amount of cash and closet space. :-)
      -kp--
      On Oct 5, 2006, at 10:26 PM, keith manlove wrote:
      > There's overdrive~, and other objects like it. People spend a lot of
      > many to get vintage sounding distortions, and I imagine it's not the
      > easiest task to emulate a cranked marshall amp or a vintage stomp
      > pedal. Doesn't at all mean that you shouldn't try!
      >
      > Keith
      >
      > On 10/5/06, register wrote:
      >>
      >> hey, sorry for another problem of mine... I'm just addicted to
      >> knowledge!
      >> I was wondering if anyone out there knows how to make a distortion
      >> effect? A little look around has pinted me in the direction of
      >> [kink~] to generate a phase distorion. But I'm not at all sure
      >> how to go about creating a distortion using the kink object?
      >> Anyone know how this can be achieved?
      >> Also, just wondering, does anyone know what kinda processes are
      >> used to make vintage sounding distortions? Max being very basic,
      >> I'm thinking it will be too easy to make a very digital sounding
      >> drive.
      >> thanks very much
      >> tom
      >>
    • Oct 06 2006 | 3:38 am
      "which will have the virtue of not sounding like crap. "
      ... tell me about it! Overdrive is the clostest I've got, and it still sounds way too harsh and digital.
      I have and love a copy of NI guitar rig 2, I think the distortion stomp boxes on it are very good. I was kinda hoping I could make something with their qualities, with a pretty low CPU usage (guitar rig is v.hungry)
      I imagine it's a case of some complex waveshaping and synthesis- subjects I'm both poor at.
      If anyone's had any success, or knows of any available patches, please let me know!
      thanks!
      tom
    • Oct 06 2006 | 4:01 am
      I have two suggestions.
      1
      just play. don't worry about theory. most of my successful
      distortion algorithms come from different combinations of overdrive~
      and extreme filtering (notch and peak). don't be afraid to overdrive
      twice, serially or in parallel. you can also try rectification
      compression and crossover effects. even a little combing doesn't
      hurt beforehand.
      my first inclination would be to put tall peaks in the spectrum,
      around 200, 500 and a shorter wider in the 2k range. then distort the
      piss out of it so that you've evened the spectrum back out.
      2
      have a look at the genx category of the percolate library.
      http://www.maxobjects.com/?
      v=objects&id_objet=148&requested=gen10&operateur=AND&id_plateforme=0
    • Oct 06 2006 | 12:48 pm
      this arctan thing is cheaper than overdrive~
      max v2;
    • Oct 06 2006 | 2:19 pm
      lp.nn~ and lp.scamp~ are two powerful tools for distortion.
      There is an example patch with Litter Power that demonstrates the use of scamp~ for very flexible phase distortion effects. I think I even posted it to the mail list not long ago.
      Both objects are in Litter Pro. More information at .
      Best, Peter
    • Oct 06 2006 | 2:35 pm
      cool, I think that has much more potential than overdrive. I used it to make this guitar amp sim patch, it's a start.
      thanks a lot for your help.
      Here's the patch, if anyone wants do develop it, please post it!
      tom
    • Oct 06 2006 | 8:23 pm
      register wrote:
      > Max being very basic, I'm thinking it will be too easy to make a very
      > digital sounding drive.
      There was some discussion on the topic recently on the list, search the
      archive. My favorite is lookup~ in combination with chebychev
      polynomials. There is an example in the examples folder (you did look
      there didn't you ;-?)
      Though to make it really sound nice, you need to go deeper in it. It
      works wonder with defined sine waves, but with real signals its way more
      complicated, I am still working on a way to treat it better.
      Main problem for me, the range is limited from -1. to 1...
      You have to prepare the signal carefully...
      Stefan
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