Endless Rotary Knobs?


    Sep 16 2008 | 12:08 am
    hi - not a question directly related to max but thought the good people of this forum might be able to help me out.
    I just purchased the beautiful BCF2000 by Behringer and am very excited about it. However, I am messing around with the endless rotary knobs, and tho they are endless, they still stop at 127 in Max. Do I somehow have to route the information from this knob through OSC for it to give me a +1/-1 instead of 0-127? If so, how do I do that?

    • Sep 16 2008 | 12:44 am
      not with the Behringer but i used accum (or incdec) with unlimited
      rotary encoders.
      theres also an object from the excellent f0 lib for detecting
      direction of incoming values and split to different outlets(
      f0.inc_dec_split)
      On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 2:08 AM, Kyle Kaplan wrote:
      >
      > hi - not a question directly related to max but thought the good people of this forum might be able to help me out.
      >
      > I just purchased the beautiful BCF2000 by Behringer and am very excited about it. However, I am messing around with the endless rotary knobs, and tho they are endless, they still stop at 127 in Max. Do I somehow have to route the information from this knob through OSC for it to give me a +1/-1 instead of 0-127? If so, how do I do that?
      > --
      > -k.
    • Sep 16 2008 | 12:46 am
      You have to set the knob on the Behringer to send relative values. I think you hold down the edit button and then twist the knob you want to change.
    • Sep 16 2008 | 1:02 am
      maybe this is useful.
      save as f0.rotary (i'll add it to my lib one day).
      test patch
      16 sep 2008 kl. 09.08 skrev Kyle Kaplan:
      >
      > hi - not a question directly related to max but thought the good
      > people of this forum might be able to help me out.
      >
      > I just purchased the beautiful BCF2000 by Behringer and am very
      > excited about it. However, I am messing around with the endless
      > rotary knobs, and tho they are endless, they still stop at 127 in
      > Max. Do I somehow have to route the information from this knob
      > through OSC for it to give me a +1/-1 instead of 0-127? If so, how
      > do I do that?
      > --
      > -k.
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    • Sep 18 2008 | 3:47 pm
    • Sep 18 2008 | 4:55 pm
      Quote: werner.funk wrote on Thu, 18 September 2008 08:47
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      > endless or not, if you use midi or any midirelated transmission
      > protocol such as HUI or Mackie control, the maximum value transmitted
      > will be 127 (not for xbendin/out!).
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      Actually, the Mackie control spec does not cap the range at all. The VPot rotary encoders send +/- deltas on a midi controller. It's up to the receiving software to accumulate the changes. It can accumulate this value to whatever range of numbers it wants to.
      I don't know what the Beheringer does.
      -C
    • Sep 19 2008 | 6:30 pm
      the behringer has an option for either 0-127 or increment/decrement.
      figured it out after talking to the company and having them email me a more in depth programming guide than what the product comes with.
    • Sep 19 2008 | 8:08 pm
      Quote: ComfortableInClouds wrote on Fri, 19 September 2008 11:30
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      > figured it out after talking to the company and having them email me a more in depth programming guide than what the product comes with.
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      Oooh! Is that different from the documents found on the product page: http://www.behringer.com/BCF2000/index.cfm
      Any chance you could share? (Feel free to email it to me directly if you have nowhere to post it)
    • Sep 21 2008 | 1:31 pm
      I echo that sentiment. Ooooh.
      I'd also be interested in seeing your 'in-depth guide' from Behringer if possible.
      Regards
    • Sep 21 2008 | 5:51 pm
      here's the guides the company support emailed me. i took a quick glance at one and it instantly answered my question, so I haven't really looked at the others, but perhaps there's something of interest in them. enjoi!
    • Sep 21 2008 | 7:27 pm
      I'm developing a set of patches to read from the BCF2000 in HUI mode and back from the DAW.
      The BCF2000 sends Vpots increments over MIDI controllers 64 to 71 as a 6 bit signed format (01h is one counterclockwise, 41h is one clockwise).I've never seen values exceed the -15..+15 range.
      The host sends back accumulated values (pans or whatever) over MIDI controllers 16 to 23 as a 0..12 value (matching to the number of LEDS) with 6 as center position and a tweak: bit 4 is set at center position 46h).
      The fun thing is that i read both BCF to DAW data and DAW to BCF data by assigning ctlin to BCF2000's MIDI port, and i don't understand why.My DAW is ProTools.
    • Sep 22 2008 | 9:16 pm
      Quote: ComfortableInClouds wrote on Sun, 21 September 2008 10:51
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      > here's the guides the company support emailed me. i took a quick glance at one and it instantly answered my question, so I haven't really looked at the others, but perhaps there's something of interest in them. enjoi!
      >
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      Thanks!
    • Dec 05 2008 | 10:37 pm
      sounds great, this in depth guide!
      but the link is dead now, can you give me
      a fresh link?
      I need to do the exact same with
      the knob...(to rotate sounds in a
      4 speaker setup)
    • Dec 06 2008 | 8:03 pm
      Quote: Yurki (Jerke) wrote on Fri, 05 December 2008 14:37
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      > sounds great, this in depth guide!
      >
      > but the link is dead now, can you give me
      > a fresh link?
      >
      > I need to do the exact same with
      > the knob...(to rotate sounds in a
      > 4 speaker setup)
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      Everything is on behringer.com, it's just not immediately obvious where to find it.
      See that "B-CONTROL Downloads" link on the right? Go there and scroll down to the "Documents" section to find a bunch of pdf downloads. I think the "programming guide" is the one people are calling the "in depth guide".