external & folders


    Jun 28 2006 | 7:57 am
    I'm cleaning my max folders and wonder : efficiency (loading) will be the same if i move my third party externals from the c74 folder to another one ?
    f.e
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    • Jun 28 2006 | 11:29 am
    • Jun 28 2006 | 12:00 pm
      As I've requested before, I would desperately like to see proof of this silly assertion. The MaxMSP Installer has never eaten my 3rd party objects (or any other data, for that matter), and I'm willing to bet the weight of those books in beer that I run those installers a lot more often than you do.
      jb
    • Jun 28 2006 | 12:26 pm
      I made a foler in my externals folder, and called it "3rd_party" - i keep all 3rd party (!!!) externals there. I do it on all my macs, never had a problem.
      as for windows i just sold my win machine, so i don't know
      best
      kasper -- Kasper T. Toeplitz noise, composition, bass, computer http://www.sleazeArt.com
    • Jun 28 2006 | 1:28 pm
      Thanks, Peter, i've done that. I wanted to do it since a loooooong time but was a little affraid of changing my habits. The worse was to decide how to organize things : libraries, patches, externals, help files... I've decided to keep every help files close to its external or abstraction, then made an external folder for non-lib & non-abstractions files (bonk, fiddle, netsend~, even hr.externs which, after 10" i've decided not to consider as a library), a lib folder for lib (yes), and a patches folder for everything else (from max list txt files to MMNS2004, and so on...). + a Dev folder & a Java one. JS ? not sure... Now it's so clean :-)
      A question i have in my mind since i'm maxing : could we manually add other search paths in the txt file if the allowed ones are full ?
      cheers
      f.e
      f.e chanfrault | aka | personal computer music
    • Jun 28 2006 | 2:19 pm
      I really have had messages from Litter Power users who lost objects in an Max/MSP update. Grepping through old mail, this seems not to have been an issue since 4.5.1, but between 4.2 and 4.5.0 it did happen. Happened to me once, too.
      I won't provide "proof" in the form of names, copied email, or the like. Personal mail is personal mail. But I modified the Litter install instructions from "copy to your externals folder" to "put an alias into your externals folder" precisely because of unfortunate experiences. FWIW, that mod was made Jan 2004.
      If current installers don't clear out the externals and patches folders, that's as it should be. Whether future installers will exhibit the same behavior is something in the hands of the gods (ie, whomever provides the Installer software and whomever sets the Install preferences at Cycling '74). I can't control that. I *can* control where I put my externals.
      Once burnt twice cautious.
      Any comments on f.e's efficiency concerns?
      --
      "Never trust anything that can think for itself if you can't see where it keeps its brain..."
    • Jun 28 2006 | 3:30 pm
      On 28-Jun-2006, at 15:28, f.e wrote: > The worse was to decide how to organize things : libraries, > patches, externals, help files...
      There are lots of ways to do this, I don't think there is any one "best" solution. Whatever works for you.
      > I've decided to keep every help files close to its external or > abstraction,
      Makes sense. I recently "discovered" that Max traverses the entire search path when looking for .help files. For some reason I thought it only looked in max-help, but I guess I guessed wrong. I tried this on Mac OS, presumably it also works on Windows. So you should be able to organize .help files however you want.
      > A question i have in my mind since i'm maxing : could we manually > add other search paths in the txt file if the allowed ones are full ?
      Should work. '; max paths' and filepath can handle more "slots" than the File Prefs window. Check out the Messages to Max chapter. Filepath.help says up to 256 slots.
      Happy Housekeeping -- P.
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    • Jun 28 2006 | 4:06 pm
      this has been an important issue to me in the past. it could use some documentation because people seem to have varying outlooks on it. so it could use some official documentation. something that says "if you listen to every readme, your cycling folder will end up looking like your parents hard drive" er... I mean... it'll get messy
      -matt
    • Jun 29 2006 | 8:38 am
      i put all my custom folders in the max app folder (it could be any other folder of cour choice) and then select only the main folder to the search path.
    • Jun 29 2006 | 2:36 pm
      I keep all my 3rd party externals in E:maxmsp__externals , including betas from the incremental update wiki :D having 2 versions of uzi, one in the c74 folder and one in the search path, the search path one takes the cake which is cool.. meaning I don't have to replace objects. I can just leave things be.