folder object: file ordering bug?


    Jun 19 2008 | 5:28 am
    When dealing with numerical tags on files the folder object seems to only look at the first character and orders the file/append output accordingly, for instance the file group: 1.jpg 2.jpg 110.jpg comes out like this: 1.jpg 110.jpg 2.jpg is this by design? is there a arg i can pass to get a strict numerical order? what the deal? i upgraded so this is in max 5 thanks in advance, jston

    • Jun 19 2008 | 5:57 am
      Quote: jston wrote on Wed, 18 June 2008 22:28 ---------------------------------------------------- > is this by design? ... what the deal?
      It's doing alphanumeric ordering. Sort of like alphabetical order but where numbers and symbols are treated like letters and have a specific order in the alphabet.
      The "letter" 1 *always* comes before 2, so 11 or 1-anything comes before 2. Just like "aa" comes before "b". Actually the term "letter" is misleading, because everything is a number to a computer. Anyway... get the idea?
      Definitely not what we want in a lot of cases, but that's how computers work by default. I don't think you can change the behavior in Max.
    • Jun 19 2008 | 12:39 pm
      This is just how computers order things -- poke around on your machine & you'll see any set of files the designers want in a particular order to have leading zeros:
      01.jpg 02.jpg 11.jpg
      etc.
      M
      On Jun 19, 2008, at 1:28, justin downs wrote:
      > > When dealing with numerical tags on files the folder object seems to > only look at the first character and orders the file/append output > accordingly, for instance the file group: > 1.jpg > 2.jpg > 110.jpg > comes out like this: > 1.jpg > 110.jpg > 2.jpg > is this by design? is there a arg i can pass to get a strict > numerical order? > what the deal? > i upgraded so this is in max 5 > thanks in advance, > jston
    • Jun 19 2008 | 1:15 pm
      I've got a rack of midi synthesizers and I'd like to make all the synths in the rack available to either of two computers. I have no need to access the synths simultaneously from both computers; only to be able to route either of the computers to any device in the rack. The obvious solution would be to use a midi patchbay, but no one seems to make them any more.
      Can anyone suggest a solution other than to try to find a used MIDI patchbay?
      Jon
      -- Jon Hallstrom Dept. of Music, Colby College 5674 Mayflower Hill Waterville, ME 04901 207-859-5674
    • Jun 19 2008 | 1:42 pm
      Surely any balanced (3 conductor) patch bay or switcher will do - you'll just have to make up some midi to bantam/XLR/stereo jack leads. to connect to it, cheers Roger
      --- Jon Hallstrom wrote:
      > I've got a rack of midi synthesizers and I'd like to > make all the synths > in the rack available to either of two computers. > I have no need to > access the synths simultaneously from both > computers; only to be able to > route either of the computers to any device in the > rack. The obvious > solution would be to use a midi patchbay, but no one > seems to make them > any more. > > Can anyone suggest a solution other than to try to > find a used MIDI > patchbay? > > Jon > > -- > Jon Hallstrom > Dept. of Music, Colby College > 5674 Mayflower Hill > Waterville, ME 04901 > 207-859-5674 > >
    • Jun 19 2008 | 3:54 pm
      > > >> I've got a rack of midi synthesizers and I'd like to >> make all the synths >> in the rack available to either of two computers. >> I have no need to >> access the synths simultaneously from both >> computers; only to be able to >> route either of the computers to any device in the >> rack. The obvious >> solution would be to use a midi patchbay, but no one >> seems to make them >> any more. >> >> Can anyone suggest a solution other than to try to >> find a used MIDI > > patchbay?
      why not send midi from computer1 to computer2 and then to the rack?
      kasper -- Kasper T. Toeplitz noise, composition, bass, computer http://www.sleazeArt.com
    • Jun 19 2008 | 9:18 pm
      > Can anyone suggest a solution other than to try to find a used MIDI > patchbay?
      How about a 2 to 1 MIDI Merger. http://www.midisolutions.com/prodmrg.htm
      Rick Williamson
    • Jun 21 2008 | 3:58 pm
      Thanks guys that makes unfortunate sense. jston
    • Jun 26 2008 | 5:56 pm
      you can make small patch that routes the midi from one computer to the other, then you can choose which synth you want to send where in a 'host-client' - like relationship
      i can send a patch i use if you want... i just don't have it with me now
      Cheers,
      carey
      On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Rick Williamson wrote: > >> Can anyone suggest a solution other than to try to find a used MIDI >> patchbay? > > How about a 2 to 1 MIDI Merger. > http://www.midisolutions.com/prodmrg.htm > > Rick Williamson >
    • Jun 30 2008 | 1:21 am
      Thanks Carey,
      It sounds like what you're talking about is routing data from Max to Max . What I (or rather my students) need to be able to do is to access the synths from any application in a fairly straightforward manner.
      I ultimately solved the problem by putting TRS plugs on one end of some MIDI cables and then used them to set up patchpoints between each computer's midi interface and the synths via my patchbay. Now my students can simply patch between a computer and any of the synths. It's rather lo-tech, but it works nicely.
      I am however curious to know how you route the data between the computers (ethernet?) and would therefore love to look at the patch even though the other problem is solved.
      Thanks!
      Jon
      carey dodge wrote: > you can make small patch that routes the midi from one computer to the > other, then you can choose which synth you want to send where in a > 'host-client' - like relationship > > i can send a patch i use if you want... i just don't have it with me now > > Cheers, > > carey > > On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Rick Williamson wrote: > >>> Can anyone suggest a solution other than to try to find a used MIDI >>> patchbay? >>> >> How about a 2 to 1 MIDI Merger. >> http://www.midisolutions.com/prodmrg.htm >> >> Rick Williamson >> >> > >
      -- Jon Hallstrom Dept. of Music, Colby College 5674 Mayflower Hill Waterville, ME 04901 207-859-5674
    • Jun 30 2008 | 3:23 pm
      Hi Jon,
      Here is the patch. It is Max4 but should open fine in Max5. It is rough but did what i needed it to do. It was also an audio tester for a show i was working on just to make sure all the hardware was working ship-shape before the show. It also has some idiosyncrasies as i was automating parameters with midi knobs and faders on the fly but I think you can understand the basic principal. You could set it up more intuitively with a better GUI, some more gate and/or route objects or use a matrix object and have all your midi devices accessible to any program using max as a virtual hub or router. One thing you have to always be aware of is that your midi setup in max can cause some confusion especially if you start using presets and such.
      Cheers,
      Carey
      On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 2:21 AM, Jon Hallstrom wrote: > Thanks Carey, > > It sounds like what you're talking about is routing data from Max to Max . > What I (or rather my students) need to be able to do is to access the > synths from any application in a fairly straightforward manner. > I ultimately solved the problem by putting TRS plugs on one end of some MIDI > cables and then used them to set up patchpoints between each computer's midi > interface and the synths via my patchbay. Now my students can simply patch > between a computer and any of the synths. It's rather lo-tech, but it > works nicely. > > I am however curious to know how you route the data between the computers > (ethernet?) and would therefore love to look at the patch even though the > other problem is solved. > > Thanks! > > Jon > > carey dodge wrote: >> >> you can make small patch that routes the midi from one computer to the >> other, then you can choose which synth you want to send where in a >> 'host-client' - like relationship >> >> i can send a patch i use if you want... i just don't have it with me now >> >> Cheers, >> >> carey >> >> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Rick Williamson >> wrote: >> >>>> >>>> Can anyone suggest a solution other than to try to find a used MIDI >>>> patchbay? >>>> >>> >>> How about a 2 to 1 MIDI Merger. >>> http://www.midisolutions.com/prodmrg.htm >>> >>> Rick Williamson >>> >>> >> >> >> > > -- > Jon Hallstrom > Dept. of Music, Colby College > 5674 Mayflower Hill > Waterville, ME 04901 > 207-859-5674 > >
    • Jun 30 2008 | 3:25 pm
      oh yeah and i routed the data via midi and audio cables but you could just as easily route it with netsend, netreceive or maxhole or osc or...
      On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 2:21 AM, Jon Hallstrom wrote: > Thanks Carey, > > It sounds like what you're talking about is routing data from Max to Max . > What I (or rather my students) need to be able to do is to access the > synths from any application in a fairly straightforward manner. > I ultimately solved the problem by putting TRS plugs on one end of some MIDI > cables and then used them to set up patchpoints between each computer's midi > interface and the synths via my patchbay. Now my students can simply patch > between a computer and any of the synths. It's rather lo-tech, but it > works nicely. > > I am however curious to know how you route the data between the computers > (ethernet?) and would therefore love to look at the patch even though the > other problem is solved. > > Thanks! > > Jon > > carey dodge wrote: >> >> you can make small patch that routes the midi from one computer to the >> other, then you can choose which synth you want to send where in a >> 'host-client' - like relationship >> >> i can send a patch i use if you want... i just don't have it with me now >> >> Cheers, >> >> carey >> >> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Rick Williamson >> wrote: >> >>>> >>>> Can anyone suggest a solution other than to try to find a used MIDI >>>> patchbay? >>>> >>> >>> How about a 2 to 1 MIDI Merger. >>> http://www.midisolutions.com/prodmrg.htm >>> >>> Rick Williamson >>> >>> >> >> >> > > -- > Jon Hallstrom > Dept. of Music, Colby College > 5674 Mayflower Hill > Waterville, ME 04901 > 207-859-5674 > >