how would you approach this ?


    Apr 09 2011 | 11:55 am
    Hello,
    I am trying to synthesize the result shown in the attachment. I have failed however using traditional synthesis techniques. It seems that it is the result of a ring modulation but then only at a part of the signal's period. I am puzzled how to achieve it. Can anyone help?

    • Jan 01 2012 | 8:04 pm
      can anyone offer any clue/pointers on how to start approaching this?
      warm regards
    • Jan 01 2012 | 10:49 pm
      looks like a simple sine wave with some amplitude modulations, to be honest; there don't appear to be any harmonic-generating elements, for sure, apart from the little nudge just before and at the end of period 2.
      how does this waveform... sound? Do you have audio of it?
    • Jan 01 2012 | 10:50 pm
      also; it's a school assignment, right?
    • Jan 02 2012 | 7:45 am
      Hello & many thanks for replying. It isn't a school assignment, no. If it was i would have failed (since i posted the original question 8 months ago) lol :)
      it has the grittiest sound i've ever heard, and yet, taking a sine wave with slight amplitude modulation doesn't just come close to sounding the way the original does. Also tried various distortion plugins which only start adding very high frequency harmonics - again a fail.
      So I am very intrigued to know which synthesis technique can possibly produce this sequence of waves. I hope the attached wave file can give some further insights.
    • Jan 02 2012 | 9:23 am
      It could be ring mod, but also may well be FM.
    • Jan 02 2012 | 11:21 am
      It sounds to me like this has been pulled from some big club anthemy track or something and that the amplitude change might be triggered by sidechaining or something. Just a thought.
    • Jan 02 2012 | 12:32 pm
      The overall amplitude variation seems indeed side-chaining. The attached sound distracts somehow the question due to the side-chaining effect. I was only concerned with how to synthesize a signal with similarly evolving frequency content.
      If it is FM, then I would need to modulate one of the operators at a very high rate. But is this possible with max/msp 5? if it is ring modulation, again, can this be done at audio rate with max/msp5?
      I've read somewhere that if one uses a cycle~ object, and multiply its output with an input signal, that won't happen at audio rate, which is what i think happens in this case. Has anyone seen/produced a patch performing "high-rate" ring modulation? Again, I am very inexperienced in msp to make any progress/validate my assumptions.
    • Jan 02 2012 | 12:38 pm
      Hi is drawing the wave not an option?
      Brendan
    • Jan 02 2012 | 12:42 pm
      Hi I think it would be indeed an option if its shape was kept constant. in this example however, in every period, the wave changes.
    • Jan 02 2012 | 1:55 pm
      Sorry, missed that vital point
    • Jan 02 2012 | 6:44 pm
      Max is great at FM and other types of audio rate modulation. Here's a very ugly patch that, while it may not be in the same ballpark as your sample, it may at least be the same sport:
    • Jan 02 2012 | 9:52 pm
      thank you so much for this. if this doesn't point me to the right direction i don't know what else will :)
      it is definitely in the same game. again, thanks a lot!