Is there are specific way of ordering certain FX?


    Feb 14 2008 | 2:15 pm
    If I were to play the contents of a buffer through various effects (in series), is there a certain that they should be in, or can I process the sound in any order I like?
    FX I'm using:
    Comb
    Echo
    Ring Modulator
    Distortion
    Pitch Shifter
    Phaser
    Flanger
    Tremolo
    Also, would anyone be kind enough to share any other interesting FX that can be applied to sounds within Max?
    Many thanks,
    Rhys

    • Feb 14 2008 | 2:19 pm
      On 14 Feb 2008, at 14:15, Rhys Perkins wrote:
      > If I were to play the contents of a buffer through various effects
      > (in series), is there a certain that they should be in, or can I
      > process the sound in any order I like?
      They should be in the order which sounds best. The rest is up to you.
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    • Feb 15 2008 | 8:07 am
      Quote: nick rothwell / cassiel wrote on Thu, 14 February 2008 06:19
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      > On 14 Feb 2008, at 14:15, Rhys Perkins wrote:
      >
      > > is there a certain that they should be in, or can I
      > > process the sound in any order I like?
      >
      > They should be in the order which sounds best. The rest is up to you.
      >
      Yup. The great thing about effects is they can be endlessly reordered and combined in different ways. Often, switching the order will give a completely different sound.
      Rhys, don't overlook the possibility of using the same effect multiple times in a series. For example, using multiple tremolos at different frequencies. Multiple delays are lots of fun too (if a bit unwieldy).
      Some other types of effects you might want to look into:
      granulation
      spatialization
      reverb
      Look on maxobjects.com for lots of effects objects.
    • Feb 15 2008 | 2:07 pm
      Try using matrix~/matrixctrl to make a 'patch-bay', so that you can order
      your FX modules in any order you want - including feeding back into
      themselves, if you dare. For greater flexibility, use matrixctrl in dial
      mode (you'll have to dig deep to find info on this - it's either not in the
      manual or the .help file, can't remember which).
      Note that you'll have to create at least one signal vector's worth of delay
      between the inputs & outputs to avoid blowing up the dac~ with feedback. The
      best way to do this is simply to use send~/receive~ instead of patchchords,
      or a tapin/out.
      It's also not a bad idea to use some limiting in the feedback paths - limi~
      is a pretty good no-brainer for this.
      And for extra wackiness, try making the feedback path of a delay module
      available on your patch-bay, so you can insert other FX into it - guaranteed
      to blow something up, but you'll make some fine noises on the way!
      Here's an example hastily clipped from a patch which uses 3 vst~s and a
      very simple delay. The graphic for the matrixctrl is at
      www.wildfrontear.co.uk/DialSml.pct , though it would be better to use
      something with higher resolution, so you can tweak the feedback controls
      with greater precision,
      Cheers
      Roger
    • Feb 27 2008 | 12:52 pm
      Hi !
      Interesting effects and order depend also on what kind of sound your feeding with...
      Most of the classical effects you mentionned will be great for sounds like guitare or bass as they were basically invented for it. But it may not sound great with all kind of sound material.
      I'am trying to "invent" or adapt some real time effects on the Cello and those classical effects are sometimes hard to make sound !
      If you like some other effects you can have a look to DAFx book/papers/conference. They present a lot of interesting thing in there !
      As for the path between those effects... I'm trying with matrix~ too but it's probably not the better way to do some permanent configurations.
      'hope this helps
      Cheers
      BenCello