loading old CFM externals disabled


    Aug 28 2006 | 3:08 pm
    Hi, I'm trying to install some externals (SPAT and other stuff from IRCAM as well as the AUVI) on a new macbookpro using Max 4.6. It works well under max 4.5 on the same machine but I know it will probably be faster under 4.6...
    But how could I get it working without the "loading old CFM externals disabled" message for each external I'm trying to load? Is there a way to enable this? Or will it simply be in the next version of Max?
    Thanks a lot!

    • Aug 28 2006 | 3:20 pm
      AUVI wont run, as loading CFM externals for Jitter is disabled (yes,
      that makes baby jesus cry), and you cant run PPC plugins on an Intel
      machine. (ahh, fun yes)
      If you havent installed CFM support, you should. Check the archives
      for instructions, or.. read the updated documentation that came with
      the max ;)
      v a d e //
      www.vade.info
      abstrakt.vade.info
      On Aug 28, 2006, at 11:08 AM, Pm B wrote:
      >
      > Hi, I'm trying to install some externals (SPAT and other stuff from
      > IRCAM as well as the AUVI) on a new macbookpro using Max 4.6. It
      > works well under max 4.5 on the same machine but I know it will
      > probably be faster under 4.6...
      > But how could I get it working without the "loading old CFM
      > externals disabled" message for each external I'm trying to load?
      > Is there a way to enable this? Or will it simply be in the next
      > version of Max?
      > Thanks a lot!
      > --
      > Pm B
    • Aug 28 2006 | 3:40 pm
      Hi,
      I think (but I could be wrong) that on an Intel Mac CFM externals will
      never work.
      All the best
      Alessandro Fogar
      2006/8/28, vade :
      >
      > AUVI wont run, as loading CFM externals for Jitter is disabled (yes, that
      > makes baby jesus cry), and you cant run PPC plugins on an Intel machine.
      > (ahh, fun yes)
      >
      > If you havent installed CFM support, you should. Check the archives for
      > instructions, or.. read the updated documentation that came with the max ;)
      >
      >
      >
      > v a d e //
      >
      > www.vade.info
      > abstrakt.vade.info
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > On Aug 28, 2006, at 11:08 AM, Pm B wrote:
      >
      >
      > Hi, I'm trying to install some externals (SPAT and other stuff from IRCAM as
      > well as the AUVI) on a new macbookpro using Max 4.6. It works well under max
      > 4.5 on the same machine but I know it will probably be faster under 4.6...
      > But how could I get it working without the "loading old CFM externals
      > disabled" message for each external I'm trying to load? Is there a way to
      > enable this? Or will it simply be in the next version of Max?
      > Thanks a lot!
      > --
      > Pm B
      >
      >
      >
      >
    • Aug 28 2006 | 4:28 pm
      On Mon, 28 Aug 2006, Alessandro Fogar wrote:
      > I think (but I could be wrong) that on an Intel Mac CFM externals will
      > never work.
      that sums it up. cfm externals will only load on mactel hardware when
      running a pre-UB version of max/msp under rosetta. as soon as you run a
      UB version of max, all the objects have to work for that architecture as
      well, which means mach-o only on intel macintosh hardware.
      this entire situation is described in some detail in the ReadMe.rtf that
      comes with the 4.6 installers.
      /luke
    • Aug 28 2006 | 7:29 pm
      On Aug 28, 2006, at 8:20 AM, vade wrote:
      > AUVI wont run, as loading CFM externals for Jitter is disabled
      > (yes, that makes baby jesus cry), and you cant run PPC plugins on
      > an Intel machine. (ahh, fun yes)
      In case you missed it Anton, if you install Jitter 1.5.3, Jitter
      1.6.1 UB supports CFM on PPC. We don't guarantee that there won't be
      problems, but most objects seem to work with the broad exception of
      CFM OpenGL objects. I haven't heard from any AUVI users yet, but
      cv.jit objects allegedly work. It just requires that the CFM
      compatibilty libraries have been installed (as queried on initial Max
      Launch), and that Jitlib 1.5.3 resides in /Library/CFM Support/. Any
      other CFM library (like an AUVI lib), must also reside there to be
      found.
      As has been clarified by other messages in this thread, previous
      threads, and the MaxMSP readme file, there is no way to use PPC code
      inside an Intel native process. Therefore there is no way to use PPC
      code inside the Universal Binary version on Intel. You can only use
      PPC code within an application that runs in Rosetta, such as MaxMSP
      4.5.X (i.e. PPC native code).
      Note that CFM is inherently PPC (or Motorola 68k).
      -Joshua
    • Aug 28 2006 | 9:17 pm
      Ah, this was not clear to me at all, that the 1.5.3 jitter library
      could be loaded along side 1.6.x. I dont think the documentation
      makes that all that clear. Ill test that ASAP on my PPC machine.
      I am aware that intel machines cannot load PPC CFMs at all. That was
      made clear by the Readme included with the 1.6/4.6
      Thanks for pointing this out overly verbosely to me, otherwise I dont
      think id have realized!
      -PS, Joshua, thanks again for the tips @ siggraph. I just re-
      implemented my module loading using some of your advice, and I think
      it will solve quite a few of my issues.
      v a d e //
      www.vade.info
      abstrakt.vade.info
      On Aug 28, 2006, at 3:29 PM, Joshua Kit Clayton wrote:
      >
      > On Aug 28, 2006, at 8:20 AM, vade wrote:
      >
      >> AUVI wont run, as loading CFM externals for Jitter is disabled
      >> (yes, that makes baby jesus cry), and you cant run PPC plugins on
      >> an Intel machine. (ahh, fun yes)
      >
      > In case you missed it Anton, if you install Jitter 1.5.3, Jitter
      > 1.6.1 UB supports CFM on PPC. We don't guarantee that there won't
      > be problems, but most objects seem to work with the broad exception
      > of CFM OpenGL objects. I haven't heard from any AUVI users yet, but
      > cv.jit objects allegedly work. It just requires that the CFM
      > compatibilty libraries have been installed (as queried on initial
      > Max Launch), and that Jitlib 1.5.3 resides in /Library/CFM
      > Support/. Any other CFM library (like an AUVI lib), must also
      > reside there to be found.
      >
      > As has been clarified by other messages in this thread, previous
      > threads, and the MaxMSP readme file, there is no way to use PPC
      > code inside an Intel native process. Therefore there is no way to
      > use PPC code inside the Universal Binary version on Intel. You can
      > only use PPC code within an application that runs in Rosetta, such
      > as MaxMSP 4.5.X (i.e. PPC native code).
      >
      > Note that CFM is inherently PPC (or Motorola 68k).
      >
      > -Joshua
    • Aug 28 2006 | 10:01 pm
      On Aug 28, 2006, at 2:17 PM, vade wrote:
      > Ah, this was not clear to me at all, that the 1.5.3 jitter library
      > could be loaded along side 1.6.x. I dont think the documentation
      > makes that all that clear. Ill test that ASAP on my PPC machine.
      Oops. The following paragraph never made it into the public beta
      announcement:
      "This will also install a new jitlib in /Library/CFM Support/ which
      should permit CFM objects like cv.jit or auvi objects run within UB
      on PPC. OpenGL CFM objects are not supported, and there's no
      guarantee that CFM objects will generally work in the UB version.
      Most of the ones we tested however did. Any other CFM shared
      libraries should also be copied to /Library/CFM Support/"
      -Joshua
    • Oct 19 2006 | 8:27 am
      I also have problems using Lobjects
      (• error: TAKETE-sys:/Applications/MaxMSP 4.6/-External-Tools/Lobjects_OSX/ Lobj_X_10_04/Label: loading old CFM externals disabled)
    • Oct 19 2006 | 8:50 am
      get the UB versions @ ftp://arts.ucsc.edu/pub/ems/
      On Oct/19/2006/, at 10/27, cahen wrote:
      >
      > I also have problems using Lobjects
      >
      > (• error: TAKETE-sys:/Applications/MaxMSP 4.6/-External-Tools/
      > Lobjects_OSX/ Lobj_X_10_04/Label: loading old CFM externals disabled)
      >
      ---
      Bernhard Loibner
      sound & media artist
    • Oct 19 2006 | 9:10 am
      It woks
      Thanks a lot
      Roland
    • Oct 20 2006 | 10:53 am
      On Power PC, I stil have problems to run my patches because
      loading old CFM externals disabled.
      How am i supposed to enable it.
      I have read everything I could on this subject on thi forum, in the readme, but haven't found a simple, proper, clear answer.
      HOW CAN I ENABLE OLD CFM EXTERNALS ?
      Roland Cahen
    • Oct 20 2006 | 12:24 pm
      On 20 oct. 06, at 12:53, cahen wrote:
      > On Power PC, I stil have problems to run my patches because
      > loading old CFM externals disabled.
      >
      > How am i supposed to enable it.
      Hi Roland,
      The first time you start there's a message which allows you to
      install the CFM support for PPC.
      > I have read everything I could on this subject on thi forum, in
      > the readme, but haven't found a simple, proper, clear answer.
      >
      > HOW CAN I ENABLE OLD CFM EXTERNALS ?
      The installer is contained inside the MaxMSP application package :
      MaxMSP.app/Contents/Resources/MaxMSPCFMSupport.pkg
      You just need to run this installer.
      Best,
      ej
    • Oct 20 2006 | 3:17 pm
      Thank you Emmanuel,
      I did ask to install CFM support on certain machines at first installation of max/MSP 4.6.n, not on others.
      Now I can't see any way to install CFM support objets again. I have tried to reinstall Max/MSP and Jitter, but the dialog proposing the installation does not appear again.
      Shall I destroy all Max/MSP installation and reinstall all ?
      Roland
    • Oct 20 2006 | 4:22 pm
      Control Click on MaxMSP.app in the finder.
      Choose "Show Contents"
      Navigate to the Contents/Resources folder
      Double Click on MaxMSPCFMSupport.pkg which should launch
      installer.app to install CFM support.
      No need for re-install.
      v a d e //
      www.vade.info
      abstrakt.vade.info
      On Oct 20, 2006, at 11:17 AM, cahen wrote:
      >
      > Thank you Emmanuel,
      >
      > I did ask to install CFM support on certain machines at first
      > installation of max/MSP 4.6.n, not on others.
      >
      > Now I can't see any way to install CFM support objets again. I have
      > tried to reinstall Max/MSP and Jitter, but the dialog proposing the
      > installation does not appear again.
      >
      > Shall I destroy all Max/MSP installation and reinstall all ?
      >
      > Roland
    • Oct 20 2006 | 4:39 pm
      Thanks a lot Vade.
      This is the solution.
      So if you use a Mac PPC (not Intel) and you have not installed properly the CFM support for old external objects, or you get the error message : "loading old CFM externals disabled", you can reinstall at any time this option doing the following :
      Control Click on MaxMSP.app in the finder.
      Choose "Show Contents"
      Navigate to the Contents/Resources folder
      Double Click on MaxMSPCFMSupport.pkg which should launch
      installer.app to install CFM support.
      No need for re-install.
      v a d e /
      It works.
      Old CFM external objects seems to load fine now.
      Roland
    • Oct 20 2006 | 11:01 pm
      cahen wrote:
      > HOW CAN I ENABLE OLD CFM EXTERNALS ?
      ctrl-click on the Max application -> show package contents -> open
      contents -> open Resources -> double click MaxMSPCFMSupport.pkg ->
      follow the instructions...
      (will only make sense on a PPC Machine. MacIntels have to run Max 4.5.7
      under Rosetta)
      hope this helps...
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