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Wow Max 7 is super nice. I'm enjoying it to the fullest.

Especially the reinvented vst~ and the dirac stuff. The fact that all the vst parameters are reliably saved in your patch changes makes it a tool for a wider range of projects. Now you can supplement your ingenius patch on which you've been working for years and years with a super quality compressor, synth or whatever. Or just fiddle with a vst. Haven't touched Ableton since Max 7.

And the ability to use all the amxd devices in Max is great as well. Somehow in this super free Max world it is convenient to have a strict standard to fall back to. And to be able to share easily. Although it would be nice to let go of abletons shortcomings in Max 7. Like the stereo restriction.

How can you automate or controle the parameters of amxd devices in Max? That's part of the power of this standard, right? To be able to modulate and automate the hell out of it?

O and another thing, why isn't Jamoma included as a modular framework? Seems to me it's a more mature standard then the Beap one. Nothing against Beap, it just seems like a nobrainer to me to include Jamoma.

Wow Max 7 is super nice. I'm enjoying it to the fullest.
Especially the reinvented vst~ and the dirac stuff. The fact that all the vst parameters are reliably saved in your patch changes makes it a tool for a wider range of projects. Now you can supplement your ingenius patch on which you've been working for years and years with a super quality compressor, synth or whatever. Or just fiddle with a vst. Haven't touched Ableton since Max 7. 

And the ability to use all the amxd devices in Max is great as well. Somehow in this super free Max world it is convenient to have a strict standard to fall back to. And to be able to share easily. Although it would be nice to let go of abletons shortcomings in Max 7. Like the stereo restriction. 

How can you automate or controle the parameters of amxd devices in Max? That's part of the power of this standard, right? To be able to modulate and automate the hell out of it?  

O and another thing, why isn't Jamoma included as a modular framework? Seems to me it's a more mature standard then the Beap one. Nothing against Beap, it just seems like a nobrainer to me to include Jamoma. 

m4l-automation-in-max-7

Keep in mind that parameter automation of M4L devices is specifically designed for *Live* and based on the complex automation system of Live that is not available in Max.

Yes, that's true. And it could be a reason why its not possible at the moment.

But, vst parameters, which use the same *live* automation system in live, are reachable from within max.

And besides that, it severly limits the use of live devices(amxd) in max.

It is strange 'cause vsts are in essence more of a black box than amxd devices. Amxd devices ARE made with max. Vsts are not. And yet we are allowed more controle over vsts than over amxd devices.

I hope this is something for a future update.

Hi Broc, thanks for your answer.
Yes, that's true. And it could be a reason why its not possible at the moment.
But, vst parameters, which use the same *live* automation system in live, are reachable from within max. 

And besides that, it severly limits the use of live devices(amxd) in max.
It is strange 'cause vsts are in essence more of a black box than amxd devices. Amxd devices ARE made with max. Vsts are not. And yet we are allowed more controle over vsts than over amxd devices. 

I hope this is something for a future update.


>How can you automate or controle the parameters of amxd devices in Max?

just send in the parameter name followed by the value you want.

you can use the getparams and getinfo messages to inspect available parameters

>How can you automate or controle the parameters of amxd devices in Max? 

just send in the parameter name followed by the value you want.
you can use the getparams and getinfo messages to inspect available parameters
(details in the amxd~ help/referenced)
so pretty much the same as vst~


Ah, a classic rtfm case.
Thanks THETECHNOBEAR.
Makes alot of sense.


M4L automation in Max 7