Max 4.6 and Max 5 running together.


    Jun 07 2008 | 12:50 pm
    I have started moving to Max 5 from 4.6.
    I have lots of complex patches in 4.6 and a continuing schedule of personal projects and consulting deadlines so I am wary of jumping completely.
    I know there are other great new things in Max 5 but transport and the associated timing scheme are of most immediate interest.
    I am wondering if there are any dangers in running both versions together. My idea is to continue running my production stuff in 4.6 while controlling timing with patches written in 5. I plan to send signals 5 >> 4.6 via either midi or udp. If this is indeed feasible and safe, is there an advantage to creating the Max 5 patches as standalones?
    I don't need examples, just advice and caveats.
    Cheers Gary Lee Nelson TIMARA Department Oberlin College www.timara.oberlin.edu/GaryLeeNelson

    • Jun 07 2008 | 1:01 pm
      On 7 juin 08, at 14:50, Gary Lee Nelson wrote:
      > I don't need examples, just advice and caveats.
      Max 4.x and Max 5.x run safely on the same computer. I would recommend having different search path though.
      ej
    • Jun 07 2008 | 2:48 pm
      it *might* be possible to host 4.6 as a rewire client in 5... it should make a lot of the midi/signal routing easier. i'm not sure if it would work though..
    • Jun 07 2008 | 7:40 pm
      Actually I have the signal routing all worked out. I use a MOTU828MKII. I jumpered a cable between the optical in/out ports on the MOTU. Works much better and more reliably than either soundflower of rewire. In the audio setup I can deal with just one sound device instead of an aggregate.
      My question about 5 & 4.6 together still stands.
      ----- Original Message ----- From: thezer0ist Date: Saturday, June 7, 2008 11:05 am Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Max 4.6 and Max 5 running together.
      > > it *might* be possible to host 4.6 as a rewire client in 5... it > should make a lot of the midi/signal routing easier. i'm not sure > if it would work though.. >
    • Jun 07 2008 | 8:47 pm
      Max 5 on my G4 is super slow. i love it and hate it and the same time. i still rock 4.6 for live performances, but perhaps i just need a new intel laptop to run max 5 w/ ease. 4.6 & 5 together seems like it would make my computer crash. -chuck
      ----- Original Message ---- From: Gary Nelson Sent: Saturday, June 7, 2008 3:40:17 PM Subject: Re: [maxmsp] Re: Max 4.6 and Max 5 running together.
      Actually I have the signal routing all worked out. I use a MOTU828MKII. I jumpered a cable between the optical in/out ports on the MOTU. Works much better and more reliably than either soundflower of rewire. In the audio setup I can deal with just one sound device instead of an aggregate.
      My question about 5 & 4.6 together still stands.
      ----- Original Message ----- From: thezer0ist Date: Saturday, June 7, 2008 11:05 am Subject: [maxmsp] Re: Max 4.6 and Max 5 running together.
      > > it *might* be possible to host 4.6 as a rewire client in 5... it > should make a lot of the midi/signal routing easier. i'm not sure > if it would work though.. >
    • Jun 07 2008 | 8:50 pm
      On 7 Jun 2008, at 20:40, Gary Nelson wrote:
      > My question about 5 & 4.6 together still stands.
      As far as I could tell when I tried it, you can't use MXJ in both at the same time. I've not (yet) tried to isolate the reason.
      -- N.
      Nick Rothwell / Cassiel.com Limited www.cassiel.com www.myspace.com/cassieldotcom www.last.fm/music/cassiel www.reverbnation.com/cassiel www.linkedin.com/in/cassiel www.loadbang.net
    • Jun 08 2008 | 2:15 pm
      As Emmanuel said, you can run both together on the same machine, even at the same time. I sometimes have 5, 4.6 *and* 4.5 running at the same time on a single machine.
      The advice about distinct search paths is worth noting. V5 will open v4 patchers but it will only save in the new format. I resisted the recommended move of *copying* all projects to a new Max 5 folder for a while, but eventually broke down and have done so. This is not entirely convenient with ongoing projects, but I move projects to v5 one at a time.
      Nick's note about Java is interesting. I've not tried running mxj stuff on two Maxes at the same time. But I don't do much Java (pretty deliberately).
      HtH -- P.
    • Jun 08 2008 | 2:28 pm
      On 8 Jun 2008, at 15:15, Peter Castine wrote:
      > Nick's note about Java is interesting. I've not tried running mxj > stuff on two Maxes at the same time.
      I just tried it again now, with two Groovy interpreters, and it all seems to work fine, so I'm not sure what the original problem was, if any; some complaint about JNI initialisation which might be transient, fixed, or both.
      (The Python threading stuff seems mysteriously broken in Max 4 but fine in Max 5 - but the Jython system has a common cache of compiled objects, so it's very possible that this should be considered a singleton.)
      -- N.
      Nick Rothwell / Cassiel.com Limited www.cassiel.com www.myspace.com/cassieldotcom www.last.fm/music/cassiel www.reverbnation.com/cassiel www.linkedin.com/in/cassiel www.loadbang.net
    • Jun 10 2008 | 3:52 am
      FWIW I haven't had any problems running 4.6 and 5 simultaneously. Been using a lot of Java and JRuby.