which ableton version are you on ? Is the problem when you open max standalone and m4l at once ?

Thx Ableton 10 I open first Ableton -> I got Mira of my M4L I open Max -> I get Mira on it and loose Ableton

oh, in this case i'm afraid i can't help ; i think i don't have trouble but only have ableton 9... ableton 10 comes with max 8 if you didn't touch it, and it changes a lot of things, and i've read that c74 is discontinuing support on the mira application, in favor of miraweb - which, by the way, is possibly a workaround for your concern ? It's as easy as mira to set up, though a little different : on creating a mira frame, an address of the type 'ws:/192.168.0.20:8686' will be printed on your max console, if you open a browser that is on the same local network (=using the same internet connection) as your computer where mira is, then you will be able to post that number as an internet adress (without the 'ws:/') and if it's on an ipad it should work. I guess it should stand two different max versions on two different webpage tabs.

ok. will have a look. thx.

ok it works with miraweb on wifi network. now is it possible to get it directly via usb (no wifi connection) ?

And to be more precise about my initial problem, it seems impossible to connect Mira Max Patch + Mira Ableton M4L at the same time to the Mira App via USB. It works only via wifi network.