Numbox/Flonum


    Apr 20 2006 | 10:34 pm
    I have a problem with Numbox/Flonum.
    In Max Msp i can type in the Number by Keyboard.
    When i Compile the Stuff into VST i can`t type in any Numbers.
    ( Live 5.0.2 )
    Is this a Bug or is it generally not possible to type in Numbers by Keyboard within VST.// i can`t belive this
    Has anyone an Idea
    thanks in advance
    am.syn

    • Apr 20 2006 | 10:39 pm
      This behavior varies according to the host application; in
      some cases, the app is greedy about keyboard input - it
      wants it only for itself. Different applications behave
      differently.
      I fired up my copy of Live, and it would appear from mine
      (which is a 5.0.2. also) that I can click and drag to scroll
      to floating point/integer values, but not type things in.
    • Apr 20 2006 | 10:40 pm
      This behavior depends on the host. Some hosts pass the key events
      through to the plug-in - other hosts do not (including Live).
      best,
      Tim
    • Apr 20 2006 | 10:44 pm
      Hello Gregory.
      It seems you have the same Situation as me.
      I hope other VST Hosts are not dealing with the same problem;-)
      Cheers for reply
      am.syn
    • Apr 20 2006 | 10:49 pm
      Hello Timothy.
      Yes it looks so :-(
      Maybe it`s possible to fix the problem via Key up messages.
      da greetz
      am.syn
    • Apr 21 2006 | 11:11 am
      That's right, Logic uses the number key input to change the screenset.
    • May 17 2006 | 1:27 am
      Interesting. There must be more to this issue: OTHER plugins (such as all of my Waves plugins) allow direct numeric entry into number fields in Live.
      There MUST be SOME way to pull this off and I am very, very interested in figuring out how. If anyone has any clues, please do post them here. I am going to write to the folks I know at Ableton and see what they know. Will report back.
      Vance
    • May 17 2006 | 6:23 am
      waves is bypassing the hosts key input
      on a lower level. they did this to get access
      to the functions keys (mainly "shift")
      in the past this lead into quite some
      irritiating key stealing in some hosts
      when you had waves plug-in GUIs open in
      the background.
    • May 17 2006 | 8:36 am
      shift key can be used in pluggo too, in Logic anyways
    • May 18 2006 | 4:55 am
      So, is there NO way whatsoever to get direct data entry into a pluggo plugin in Live?
      My plans for this plugin are pretty much shot if I don't have a way to enter in numbers.
    • May 18 2006 | 5:15 am
      what about making a little max patch wich has
      to run in a max runtime alongslide logic, talking
      to logic via midi or osc.
    • May 18 2006 | 5:17 am
      or what about a little number keypad GUI :)
    • May 18 2006 | 5:18 am
      On May 17, 2006, at 11:55 PM, Vance Galloway wrote:
      >
      > So, is there NO way whatsoever to get direct data entry into a
      > pluggo plugin in Live?
      > My plans for this plugin are pretty much shot if I don't have a way
      > to enter in numbers.
      In these matters, it's the host application that decides
      to take those numbers, not pluggo. Barring a way to
      input sets of fixed numbers from, say, a menu, it would
      appear that you're out of luck. In other host application
      situations, the situation may vary.
      And thanks to Roman for reminding me of the terrifically
      bedevilling thing with the Waves plug-ins that it took
      the longest time to figure out when running Live. It's
      always good to remember those moments when you
      need to think "outside the box..."
    • May 18 2006 | 11:46 am
      yea this was in steinberg hosts in OS 9 ...
      when you enable "plug-ins recieve keys" in
      the preferenes of the host, waveshell steals
      the shift key as soon as one waves window is
      open.
      turning the key input option on and off
      can be easily controlled by a custom key command
      that solved the problem for most people.
    • May 30 2006 | 5:27 pm
      i sometimes use dialog for things like this, not the optimal solution, but it allows for numeric entry....
      one question,- why does dialog work if a plugin is not allowed to open additional windows ? is a dialog not a window ?
      how is making a thing like spark possible ? it opens a lot of windows ? or maybe not ?
    • May 30 2006 | 10:30 pm
      >> i sometimes use dialog for things like this, not the optimal solution, but it allows for numeric entry....
      [dialog] works well though all vst hosts but it still
      requires you to use the powerbooks trackpad before
      you can enter numbers.
      unless you make the plug-in opening it automatically
      when the user needs it, which seems difficult. :)
      you could as well use textfield ...
      > one question,- why does dialog work if a plugin is not allowed to open additional windows ? is a dialog not a window ?
      dialogs are another class of windows ... they are opened
      via operating system, not via host, similar to ... say ...
      file save dialogs (which you also open "from" an audio
      plug-in but is a window called by the host.)
      > how is making a thing like spark possible ? it opens a lot of windows ? or maybe not ?
      not from within VST plug-ins and not drawing pictures and
      code from the plug-in. there should be nothing unusual
      in sparks plug-in windows ... except that it has
      sometimes even has problems to draw almost-regular
      VST and AU windows, hehehe ...
    • Jun 02 2006 | 11:16 pm
      I believe I will use a "on screen number pad" approach for the time being. And will submit more requests to the FINE people over at Ableton ;-)