Numbox/Flonum


    Apr 20 2006 | 10:34 pm
    I have a problem with Numbox/Flonum. In Max Msp i can type in the Number by Keyboard. When i Compile the Stuff into VST i can`t type in any Numbers.
    ( Live 5.0.2 ) Is this a Bug or is it generally not possible to type in Numbers by Keyboard within VST.// i can`t belive this Has anyone an Idea thanks in advance am.syn

    • Apr 20 2006 | 10:39 pm
      This behavior varies according to the host application; in some cases, the app is greedy about keyboard input - it wants it only for itself. Different applications behave differently.
      I fired up my copy of Live, and it would appear from mine (which is a 5.0.2. also) that I can click and drag to scroll to floating point/integer values, but not type things in.
    • Apr 20 2006 | 10:40 pm
      This behavior depends on the host. Some hosts pass the key events through to the plug-in - other hosts do not (including Live).
      best, Tim
    • Apr 20 2006 | 10:44 pm
      Hello Gregory. It seems you have the same Situation as me. I hope other VST Hosts are not dealing with the same problem;-) Cheers for reply am.syn
    • Apr 20 2006 | 10:49 pm
      Hello Timothy. Yes it looks so :-( Maybe it`s possible to fix the problem via Key up messages. da greetz am.syn
    • Apr 21 2006 | 11:11 am
      That's right, Logic uses the number key input to change the screenset.
    • May 17 2006 | 1:27 am
      Interesting. There must be more to this issue: OTHER plugins (such as all of my Waves plugins) allow direct numeric entry into number fields in Live. There MUST be SOME way to pull this off and I am very, very interested in figuring out how. If anyone has any clues, please do post them here. I am going to write to the folks I know at Ableton and see what they know. Will report back.
      Vance
    • May 17 2006 | 6:23 am
      waves is bypassing the hosts key input on a lower level. they did this to get access to the functions keys (mainly "shift")
      in the past this lead into quite some irritiating key stealing in some hosts when you had waves plug-in GUIs open in the background.
    • May 17 2006 | 8:36 am
      shift key can be used in pluggo too, in Logic anyways
    • May 18 2006 | 4:55 am
      So, is there NO way whatsoever to get direct data entry into a pluggo plugin in Live? My plans for this plugin are pretty much shot if I don't have a way to enter in numbers.
    • May 18 2006 | 5:15 am
      what about making a little max patch wich has to run in a max runtime alongslide logic, talking to logic via midi or osc.
    • May 18 2006 | 5:17 am
      or what about a little number keypad GUI :)
    • May 18 2006 | 5:18 am
      On May 17, 2006, at 11:55 PM, Vance Galloway wrote:
      > > So, is there NO way whatsoever to get direct data entry into a > pluggo plugin in Live? > My plans for this plugin are pretty much shot if I don't have a way > to enter in numbers.
      In these matters, it's the host application that decides to take those numbers, not pluggo. Barring a way to input sets of fixed numbers from, say, a menu, it would appear that you're out of luck. In other host application situations, the situation may vary.
      And thanks to Roman for reminding me of the terrifically bedevilling thing with the Waves plug-ins that it took the longest time to figure out when running Live. It's always good to remember those moments when you need to think "outside the box..."
    • May 18 2006 | 11:46 am
      yea this was in steinberg hosts in OS 9 ... when you enable "plug-ins recieve keys" in the preferenes of the host, waveshell steals the shift key as soon as one waves window is open. turning the key input option on and off can be easily controlled by a custom key command that solved the problem for most people.
    • May 30 2006 | 5:27 pm
      i sometimes use dialog for things like this, not the optimal solution, but it allows for numeric entry....
      one question,- why does dialog work if a plugin is not allowed to open additional windows ? is a dialog not a window ?
      how is making a thing like spark possible ? it opens a lot of windows ? or maybe not ?
    • May 30 2006 | 10:30 pm
      >> i sometimes use dialog for things like this, not the optimal solution, but it allows for numeric entry....
      [dialog] works well though all vst hosts but it still requires you to use the powerbooks trackpad before you can enter numbers.
      unless you make the plug-in opening it automatically when the user needs it, which seems difficult. :)
      you could as well use textfield ...
      > one question,- why does dialog work if a plugin is not allowed to open additional windows ? is a dialog not a window ?
      dialogs are another class of windows ... they are opened via operating system, not via host, similar to ... say ... file save dialogs (which you also open "from" an audio plug-in but is a window called by the host.)
      > how is making a thing like spark possible ? it opens a lot of windows ? or maybe not ?
      not from within VST plug-ins and not drawing pictures and code from the plug-in. there should be nothing unusual in sparks plug-in windows ... except that it has sometimes even has problems to draw almost-regular VST and AU windows, hehehe ...
    • Jun 02 2006 | 11:16 pm
      I believe I will use a "on screen number pad" approach for the time being. And will submit more requests to the FINE people over at Ableton ;-)