[OT] iMac or MacBookPro


    Nov 13 2006 | 3:28 pm
    Darn, this is turning out to be a harder decision than I thought.
    Is there anyone here using an iMac for performance? I'd be interested
    to hear your experience of lugging the thing around, and how well it
    copes with being lugged. As far as I can see, transportability is the
    _only_ advantage you get with a MacBookPro - the higher spec'ed iMac
    looks to be equivalent to the laptop (in fact, possibly better as the
    internal hard drive is 7200 as opposed to 5400 in the laptop), and if
    I always drive to any gig I'm taking part in then does it really matter?
    Or am I missing something here?
    thanks
    David

    • Nov 13 2006 | 3:40 pm
      Not exactly gigging with it, but after getting a new
      iMac at work, I took to carrying it from one office to
      another, to avoid having to work on a creaking old
      eMac; it fit's nicely under the arm, and you could
      probably even velcro the keyboard to the back of it,
      so that you can carry a cup of tea in the other hand
      ;-)
      cheers
      Roger
      --- David Stevens wrote:
      > Darn, this is turning out to be a harder decision
      > than I thought.
      >
      > Is there anyone here using an iMac for performance?
      > I'd be interested
      > to hear your experience of lugging the thing around,
      > and how well it
      > copes with being lugged. As far as I can see,
      > transportability is the
      > _only_ advantage you get with a MacBookPro - the
      > higher spec'ed iMac
      > looks to be equivalent to the laptop (in fact,
      > possibly better as the
      > internal hard drive is 7200 as opposed to 5400 in
      > the laptop), and if
      > I always drive to any gig I'm taking part in then
      > does it really matter?
      >
      > Or am I missing something here?
      >
      > thanks
      >
      > David
      >
    • Nov 13 2006 | 3:40 pm
      >Darn, this is turning out to be a harder decision than I thought.
      >
      >Is there anyone here using an iMac for performance? I'd be
      >interested to hear your experience of lugging the thing around, and
      >how well it copes with being lugged. As far as I can see,
      >transportability is the _only_ advantage you get with a MacBookPro -
      >the higher spec'ed iMac looks to be equivalent to the laptop (in
      >fact, possibly better as the internal hard drive is 7200 as opposed
      >to 5400 in the laptop), and if I always drive to any gig I'm taking
      >part in then does it really matter?
      >
      >Or am I missing something here?
      I used an Imac on some gigs (the G5), but I mostly use a powerbook
      ok, I am not driving (can be train, plane, whatever) so for travelin
      a Pbook (or McBook) is easier, of course. I kept the original package
      of the IMac, and have no problems - if you take the foot off it fits
      in a rack as well, which might be another solution.
      performance wise - of course teh G5 is faster than the G4 (pbook) -
      so it's better.
      what is "worse" :
      _no FW800 (it did not change as far as i know)
      _of course no pc card (means no RME multiface - but that's the same
      on the McBook)
      _it makes more noise than the PBook
      _connectivity is not the same (I am thinking about the video for
      instance - you have to hack the iMac (with a patch) to have different
      images on 2 screens - i guess it's still teh same on new iMacs)
      _no track pad - and for me, for playing live , that's a BIG minus - i
      never was able to use a mouse for live playing, and the external
      trackpads are no good (at least those that I tried).
      but yes, taht's a good solution if you travel in your own car, and
      don't use a trackpad
      best
      kasper
      --
      Kasper T. Toeplitz
      noise, composition, bass, computer
    • Nov 13 2006 | 4:09 pm
    • Nov 13 2006 | 4:39 pm
      I have been using a G5 iMac for some of my performances for a while
      now - sure it is bulkier than a PB, but I love that extra screen
      space. I haven't had any problems. When I have to fly I still use a PB.
      Best
      L
      On 13 Nov 2006, at 15:28, David Stevens wrote:
      > Darn, this is turning out to be a harder decision than I thought.
      >
      > Is there anyone here using an iMac for performance? I'd be
      > interested to hear your experience of lugging the thing around, and
      > how well it copes with being lugged. As far as I can see,
      > transportability is the _only_ advantage you get with a MacBookPro
      > - the higher spec'ed iMac looks to be equivalent to the laptop (in
      > fact, possibly better as the internal hard drive is 7200 as opposed
      > to 5400 in the laptop), and if I always drive to any gig I'm taking
      > part in then does it really matter?
      >
      > Or am I missing something here?
      >
      > thanks
      >
      > David
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    • Nov 13 2006 | 4:41 pm
      >
      >The RME thing is a pain, and is a problem whatever I do as it
      >doesn't appear that RME are working on a new card (whatever it's
      >called) for the BookPros. (Which means that I'll have a
      >Multiface/PCMCIA combination for sale if anyone's interested).
      ok, i have 2 to sell!! - but it _might seem_ than RME are, kind of,
      working on a solution adapting the pccadr to the express card...
      not sure, just what the kind of told me in one email
      best
      kasper
    • Nov 13 2006 | 5:02 pm
      Hi,
      there'a company working on this, let's hope ...
      Otherways another one to sell ;-)
      All the best
      Alessandro Fogar
      2006/11/13, Kasper T Toeplitz :
      > >
      > >The RME thing is a pain, and is a problem whatever I do as it
      > >doesn't appear that RME are working on a new card (whatever it's
      > >called) for the BookPros. (Which means that I'll have a
      > >Multiface/PCMCIA combination for sale if anyone's interested).
      >
      >
      > ok, i have 2 to sell!! - but it _might seem_ than RME are, kind of,
      > working on a solution adapting the pccadr to the express card...
      >
      > not sure, just what the kind of told me in one email
      >
      >
      > best
      >
      > kasper
      >
    • Nov 14 2006 | 12:05 am
      darn it - now there's a flood on the market!
      On 13 Nov 2006, at 17:02, Alessandro Fogar wrote:
      > Hi,
      >
      > there'a company working on this, let's hope ...
      >
      > Otherways another one to sell ;-)
      >
      >
      >> (Which means that I'll have a
      >> >Multiface/PCMCIA combination for sale if anyone's interested).
      >>
      >>
      >> ok, i have 2 to sell!! - but it _might seem_ than RME are, kind of,
      >> working on a solution adapting the pccadr to the express card...
      >>
    • Nov 18 2006 | 6:34 am
      David Stevens wrote:
      > As far as I can see, transportability is the _only_ advantage you get
      > with a MacBookPro - the higher spec'ed iMac looks to be equivalent to
      > the laptop (in fact, possibly better as the internal hard drive is
      > 7200 as opposed to 5400 in the laptop), and if I always drive to any
      > gig I'm taking part in then does it really matter?
      One advantage of any laptop over other solutions is mostly overseen. It
      has a built in uninteruptable power supply.
      You will appreciate it if you happen to have been a participant of a
      power failure.
      Once I was set up after a fuckin' brilliant performance of Frieder
      Butzmann. He put a wind generator on stage, one of those which are used
      in film studios to mimik a real storm... Sitting in the audience and you
      get wind blown into your face was just wonderfull. BUT it blew not only
      the wind, it blew all main fuses of the house as well...
      That time I had a pretty power addicted settup with a computer that had
      to boot from a floppy, and a sampler that had to load a lot of sounds
      from a floppy... You get the picture...
      I would never want to rely too much on power on always. If its coming
      back, your patch will still sit there waiting to play immediatly, but
      only if you have a laptop...
      The other advantage is: I can work in the metro/bus/train/plane/garden...
      I'd never switch my powerbook for a twice as fast iMac...
      Stefan
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    • Nov 18 2006 | 6:35 am
      Alessandro Fogar wrote:
      > Otherways another one to sell ;-)
      Hey don't drop the prices too much, I need some cash for mine... ;-)
      Stefan
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    • Nov 18 2006 | 10:27 am
      On 18 Nov 2006, at 6:34, Stefan Tiedje wrote
      >
      > One advantage of any laptop over other solutions is mostly
      > overseen. It has a built in uninteruptable power supply.
      I'd kind of discounted that one as far as performance goes - if the
      power goes you're not going to be performing anyway - no amps! But of
      course it does mean that your laptop is still running when the power
      comes back on, so no waiting for everything to reload. I have this
      vague memory of being in a performance where the power _was_
      interrupted, and Max froze anyway, (this would have been on a Pismo
      or earlier, and might have been due to the midi interface more than
      max itself. Do you remember that period when midi was forever
      freezing things up?), so maybe that's where I got the idea that the
      batteries weren't necessarily going to save the day! Next time I'm
      running Max I'll pull the power and see what happens!
      Oh, and I got the MacBook Pro in the end. Rendering movies in iDVD is
      insanely faster (around 2 instead of 6-8 hours). My latest Max patch
      seems to be using the same amount of cpu according to the DSP panel,
      but runs _much_ smoother. I haven't really had time to have a proper
      look yet; one thing that surprised me is that I'm pretty sure I used
      xrecord~ in the patch, and it seems to be working, as do all of the
      other third party externals I use.
      David
    • Nov 18 2006 | 11:11 am
      On 18-nov.-06, at 07:34, Stefan Tiedje wrote:
      >
      > I would never want to rely too much on power on always. If its coming
      > back, your patch will still sit there waiting to play immediatly, but
      > only if you have a laptop...
      MSP doesn't like when its soundcard is turned off. After the latest
      power failure I lived, I even had to switch off my laptop and restart
      it twice before the soundcard (an old 828) was found back by Max...
      p
    • Nov 19 2006 | 1:13 pm
      Patrick Delges wrote:
      > MSP doesn't like when its soundcard is turned off. After the latest
      > power failure I lived, I even had to switch off my laptop and restart it
      > twice before the soundcard (an old 828) was found back by Max...
      Max doesn't recognize it correctly or can't addapt to changes. My
      observations so far: If you happen to have a failure with a non
      bus-powered interface, go to DSP status, choose the internal audio,
      choose your interface again. This seemed to do the trick, as the
      interface is still listed.
      I had issues crashing Max if the interface was unplugged, and I would
      choose it...
      This might vary with the interface itself...
      With USB Midi, i'd only need to replug a Midi interface to get back
      going. But it seems to be necessary to do it manually...
      Stefan
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