Pedal to control Max/MSP?


    Jun 28 2006 | 3:26 am
    What are my options and what is my best bet for purchasing a pedal to control Max/MSP?
    Thanks

    • Jun 28 2006 | 4:10 am
      You will need a pedal, MIDI interface and a MIDI controller or MIDI keyboard to do that. Unfortunately, then you will have carry three more stuff when going to a conference or a performance.
      There is some mini USB keyboard, like "Oxygen". If you have one, you don't need extra MIDI interface and it is easy to carry. You can even use the MIDI faders on it.
      Other equipments are also good: Kenton ControlFreak, Behringer BCR/BCF 2000, Evolution UC33e
    • Jun 28 2006 | 5:54 am
      Quote: Cheng Chien-Wen wrote on Wed, 28 June 2006 06:10 ---------------------------------------------------- > You will need a pedal, MIDI interface and a MIDI controller or MIDI keyboard to do that. Unfortunately, then you will have carry three more stuff when going to a conference or a performance. ---------------------------------------------------- You seem to be forgetting the fact that there are many midi controllers that are already foot pedals. One doesn't need to buy an additional midi controller at all.
      I suggest taking a good long look at the Behringer FCB1010 and something like the midiSport usb midi interfaces. It'll all fit in a big backpack with a laptop, and it'll give you oodles of control.
      Andreas.
    • Jun 28 2006 | 6:03 am
      Obvious: of all check out ready made pedals which normally plug into midi keyboards. check out midi pedal boards there are direct usb pedals and buttons for the disabled. "usb pedal" or "usb big button"
      Cheap, creative: if you've got an extra usb keyboard/mouse lying around, I would assume(correct me if I'm wrong) that you could pry off a key and wire a switch to it. then use the hi object. this is really not a desirable option.
      someone once suggested just putting a mouse on the floor.
    • Jun 28 2006 | 7:20 am
      ENGL - Z12 : the most beautiful, classy foot controller on earth (and mars). Don't look at the black one, but the vintage steel one. Sends PGM changes, so you may use [pgmin] with [sel] and you're on.
      f.e
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    • Jun 28 2006 | 8:25 am
      actuallly the rolls of them all is the Roland FC 200 - sends anything you would need (CC, notes, program changes....) you can hok up to 8 external controllers, has a build in expression pedal, is programmable. Is also bulky and expensive
      the behringer is good and cheap - but has less possibilities (no external controllers)
      I use quite often the Boss FC50 - program changes, 4 external controllers (2 of them being continous)
      Doepfer makes a kit which works very well - and is rather cheap
      .....
      best
      kasper -- Kasper T. Toeplitz noise, composition, bass, computer http://www.sleazeArt.com
    • Jun 28 2006 | 1:49 pm
      I used to use a big ole pedal board like the boss fc50, but that was bulky. so i got a miditron and some parts from radio shack and made a much smaller foot controller situation. just two switches and (sometimes)an expression pedal.
      of course i already use a 4x4 midi interface for my other controllers...
      miditron and pedalboard cost me about the same. but miditron can do things the pedal board cannot.
    • Jun 28 2006 | 3:43 pm
      Really cheap and dirty:
      If you've got a multi-channel audio i/o, just send an audio signal (cycle~) from MSP to a volume control pedal and send the output back into the i/o and read the level with peakamp~.
      I use a signal with frequency 1/8th the sample rate, which gives peakamp~ at least one complete cycle to read. I get better than 10 bits equivalent resolution and better than MIDI sample rate and lag.
      I also use an "expression pedal" wired as a volume control - this gives a linear response so I don't need to flatten out the log response of a volume control pot for a nice control linearity.
    • Jun 28 2006 | 6:03 pm
      >I also use an "expression pedal" wired as a volume control - this >gives a linear response so I don't need to flatten out the log >response of a volume control pot for a nice control linearity.
      ??????
      could you tell more?? wired as a volume control? you mean the hardware?? or some trick in max???
      thanks
      kasper
      -- Kasper T. Toeplitz noise, composition, bass, computer http://www.sleazeArt.com
    • Jun 28 2006 | 6:28 pm
      I do this same thing (sine wave with peakamp) with a roland EV-5. To wire it up, I use a little hosa adaptor that turns the trs plug on the ev-5 into two quarter-inch plugs and run one into an input, and one into an ouptut. Very light and portable. I have five ev-5s wired into my audio interface this way to control max/msp live. Works awesome.
      Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaiser.com pfMENTUM.com � AngryVegan.com
    • Jun 28 2006 | 7:03 pm
      ok, i got it
      but you mean than the "response" of an expression pedal is different from a volume pedal???
      I very often use VOLUME pedals (boss VL6O) as expressions (with an "insert" jack)
      thanks
      kasper -- Kasper T. Toeplitz noise, composition, bass, computer http://www.sleazeArt.com
    • Jun 28 2006 | 7:32 pm
      Yes, I tried the same thing with a guitar volume pedal, I believe it was an Ernie Ball or a Dunlop.....and the response was not linear at all, volume would change slow at the heel and fast at the toe. The EV5 is very linear.
      Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com � AngryVegan.com
    • Jun 28 2006 | 7:39 pm
      Quote: rcimitile wrote on Tue, 27 June 2006 20:26 ---------------------------------------------------- > What are my options and what is my best bet for purchasing a pedal to control Max/MSP? > > Thanks ----------------------------------------------------
      Griffin Powermate
      mzed
    • Jun 28 2006 | 7:42 pm
      Sorry for the slightly OT, but speaking of pedals, I am looking for a balanced stereo volume pedal (yes, 2 trs or xlr in and out) to put at the output of my soundcard. Anybody have one? I cannot find anything on the net to help.
      pa
      ps No, I don't want to put a control pedal in the virtual world... I want a master fader after all the MSP stuff!
    • Jun 28 2006 | 8:26 pm
      If they dont sell such and object you could make a hack: 2 separate mono pedals or take apart a mono pedal. put matched pots in the place of the one pot. drill some more holes and add yer plugs...
    • Jun 29 2006 | 12:23 am
      Quote: mzed wrote on Wed, 28 June 2006 20:39
      > Griffin Powermate
      he said pedal....
      but anyway, slightly OT the original question, my powermate doesn't work with [hi], apparently because it doesn't send the standard usb messages or something. i take it that you can use yours in max somehow?
    • Jun 29 2006 | 2:11 am
      Somebody in one of the workshops had one of these. We figured out the best way was to put it into keymap mode in the System Preferences and use the [key] object. This allows you to use it like a rotary encoder. You may need to fiddle with the repeat rate settings for your uses.
      Andrew B.
    • Jun 29 2006 | 4:48 am
      Nope - This person wants a BALANCED stereo volume pedal. They don't exist. A passive one would be really, really hard to build.
      Proove me wrong, someone. I've been looking since 1988! I have had offers from engineers at various pedal making companies to make me a custom one, but it's always too expensive.
      V
    • Jun 29 2006 | 7:19 am
      i don't myself.
      what are you two doing with your pedals exactly ? It seems a cool idea but could you add more details ?
      f.e
    • Jun 29 2006 | 8:03 am
      In the following patch I send a sine wave out my audio interface to the EV5 pedals, then back into the audio interface (using that little hosa adaptor)....using peakamp~ to measure the changes in amplitude from the pedal.....I then map that info to midi numbers and route it to control vst parameters, my loopers and other patch stuff.....gets rid of the midi interface for the pedals....(thank you andrew pask for this!)
      Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com � AngryVegan.com
      On Jun 29, 2006, at 12:19 AM, f.e wrote:
    • Jun 29 2006 | 8:40 am
      >Sorry for the slightly OT, but speaking of pedals, I am looking for >a balanced stereo volume pedal (yes, 2 trs or xlr in and out) to put >at the output of my soundcard. Anybody have one? I cannot find >anything on the net to help. > >pa > >ps No, I don't want to put a control pedal in the virtual world... I >want a master fader after all the MSP stuff!
      the only way i imagine would be to "balance" the signal after the pedal (with DI boxes)
      best
      kasper -- Kasper T. Toeplitz noise, composition, bass, computer http://www.sleazeArt.com
    • Jun 30 2006 | 1:33 pm
      that is an awesome patch.....
    • Jun 30 2006 | 5:17 pm
      Thanks!
      Anything to lessen the amount of gear to carry always makes me happy.....
      Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com � AngryVegan.com
    • Jun 30 2006 | 6:04 pm
      Quote: Osborne Frit wrote on Wed, 28 June 2006 17:23 ---------------------------------------------------- > Quote: mzed wrote on Wed, 28 June 2006 20:39 > > > Griffin Powermate > > he said pedal.... >
      It becomes a pedal as soon as a put it under my foot.
      > but anyway, slightly OT the original question, my powermate doesn't work with [hi], apparently because it doesn't send the standard usb messages or something. i take it that you can use yours in max somehow? >
      mzed
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      robin
    • Sep 17 2006 | 7:59 pm
      > > > > Griffin Powermate > > > >> but anyway, slightly OT the original question, my powermate >>doesn't work with [hi], apparently because it doesn't send the >>standard usb messages or something. i take it that you can use >>yours in max somehow? >> > > >I've been using these drivers: >http://www.oatbit.com/~jg/index.php?w=newsite/files/knob_drivers/ >
      just downloaded them - i have really NO idea how to install those drivers..... (i am not a "next" kind of guy....) could you tell me where/how install this??
      manythanks
      kasper -- Kasper T. Toeplitz noise, composition, bass, computer http://www.sleazeArt.com
    • Sep 17 2006 | 9:53 pm
      On 17-sept.-06, at 21:59, Kasper T Toeplitz wrote:
      >> I've been using these drivers: >> http://www.oatbit.com/~jg/index.php?w=newsite/files/knob_drivers/ >> > > > just downloaded them - i have really NO idea how to install those > drivers..... (i am not a "next" kind of guy....) could you tell me > where/how install this??
      .kext go to /System/Library/Extensions Beware: the only time I had a Kernel Panic error on my laptop these past 3 years was when trying weird .kext extensions.
      p
    • Sep 18 2006 | 7:22 pm
      hey, a little OT but- I have the rig kontrol 2 pedal that comes with NI guitar rig. I love it to bits, as a bit of hardware, its dead solid. powers by USB, and functions as an audio / midi interface. I have a couple of issues tho- 1) I want to use the rig kontrol to control effects in max, but the rig kontrol apparently communicates in a non-audio language that ISN'T midi. I know max is a versatile tool, so I was wondering if there might be a way to use max to read this 'non audio language'? 2) the guitar rig effects are great, but as guitar rig is VST / AU plug-in, I'm thinking I may have some problems using it in my patch. I'm told that max doesn't use VST / AU plug ins with the best efficiency. Is this true? It's important that the patch is very efficient in processor usage, so this could potentially be a problem. Can anyone shed any gems of wisdom? thanks tom
    • Sep 18 2006 | 7:41 pm
      >hey, a little OT but- I have the rig kontrol 2 pedal that comes with >NI guitar rig. I love it to bits, as a bit of hardware, its dead >solid. powers by USB, and functions as an audio / midi interface. I >have a couple of issues tho- >1) I want to use the rig kontrol to control effects in max, but the >rig kontrol apparently communicates in a non-audio language that >ISN'T midi. I know max is a versatile tool, so I was wondering if >there might be a way to use max to read this 'non audio language'? >2) the guitar rig effects are great, but as guitar rig is VST / AU >plug-in, I'm thinking I may have some problems using it in my patch. >I'm told that max doesn't use VST / AU plug ins with the best >efficiency. Is this true? It's important that the patch is very >efficient in processor usage, so this could potentially be a problem.
      guitar Rig (1 & 2) works very well as a plug-in in maxmsp
      in my opinion the NI hardware (rig kontrol in this case) is a totatlly useless, ill-conceived piece of s***
      that's only my opinion, of course
      best
      kasper -- Kasper T. Toeplitz noise, composition, bass, computer http://www.sleazeArt.com
    • Feb 06 2009 | 3:46 pm
      Sorry to bump this old thread, but after going to a Max/MSP symposium last weekend I got the itch to move my guitar (and eventually more) setup onto the laptop.
      Since this thread Guitar Rig 3 (and Rig Kontrol 3) has come out.
      I did a search but didn't see any information.
      I have a decent soundcard already (Black Lion Modded MOTU Traveller) but the 'all-in-one' nature of the Rig Kontrol is attractive, not to mention that it's bus powered. So a laptop and that, would be presumably all I would need.
      The problem is I don't really like Guitar Rig. I would probably use it a bit here and there, but I would mainly use Max/plugins/etc... but I would like to be able to control them from Rig Kontrol.
      Is this sort of thing possible? Either via running plugins/GR in max, or using max/hi to route the data to the relevant plugins elsewhere (mainstage?).
    • Feb 08 2009 | 2:57 pm
    • Feb 08 2009 | 5:37 pm
      That looks good!
      They do custom work too. So I might drop them a line about getting a couple of the USB->stomp boards, so I can make my own footswitch for it.
      Thanks PA.
    • Feb 08 2009 | 6:57 pm
      >That looks good! > >They do custom work too. So I might drop them a line about getting a >couple of the USB->stomp boards, so I can make my own footswitch for >it.
      thay actually also did for me a small USB (bus powered) pedal board - 12 switches, and 4 inputs for CC (pedals)
      the switches send a different message when you press them and release them - which permits to build (in max) thigs based on how long you press a pedal...........
      and they are very nice people too!
      best
      kasper -- Kasper T. Toeplitz noise, composition, bass, computer http://www.sleazeArt.com
    • Feb 09 2009 | 12:32 am
      Hmm.
      How much did that cost if you don't mind me asking, and do you have any pictures of it?
      I was going to go a DIY or found approach for building a (6-7 buttons) but if they put something together thats sharp looking and sturdy, I may just go that way completely.
      I'm also considering building a usb based I/O sound card into the same thing, so it would be an open/faux 'rig kontrol' type thing.
    • Feb 09 2009 | 12:55 am
      hopefully still applicable here and always one of the best options: https://cycling74.com/story/2007/10/16/1252/3782