rewire & surround questions


    Jun 05 2008 | 9:28 pm
    I've been asked to write a little Max program that receives an
    audiostream via rewire and uses some sort of surround panner to pan
    music/sfx around 4 and 8 speaker arrays.
    There are plenty of surround externals floating around (ambipan~,
    vbapan~ etc.) that I can use for this purpose.
    This has to be used in a messy theatre production with lots of
    travelling, tight deadlines, stress, and non-Max trained engineers.
    My main concern is the absence of weird crashes, hiccups etc.
    Reliability is key. Really exact location of the panned sounds is not
    so important. I tried ambipan~ and crashed within minutes.
    What are other people's favorite objects/ways of reliable surround
    panning? Is rewire~ bombproof at all? Should I stick with max 4.6.3
    or is 5 OK?
    Best,
    Zip

    • Jun 06 2008 | 1:58 am
      I personally hate rewire, & have had much more consistent results with
      soundflower, if the sending app is compatible.
      I have never had a stability problem with vbap~l, although (as in any
      of these spatialization things) your non-trained engineers will have
      to tell your patch where the speakers are.
      M
      On Jun 5, 2008, at 17:28, Zip Boterbloem wrote:
      > I've been asked to write a little Max program that receives an
      > audiostream via rewire and uses some sort of surround panner to pan
      > music/sfx around 4 and 8 speaker arrays.
      >
      > There are plenty of surround externals floating around (ambipan~,
      > vbapan~ etc.) that I can use for this purpose.
      >
      > This has to be used in a messy theatre production with lots of
      > travelling, tight deadlines, stress, and non-Max trained engineers.
      >
      > My main concern is the absence of weird crashes, hiccups etc.
      > Reliability is key. Really exact location of the panned sounds is
      > not so important. I tried ambipan~ and crashed within minutes.
      >
      > What are other people's favorite objects/ways of reliable surround
      > panning? Is rewire~ bombproof at all? Should I stick with max 4.6.3
      > or is 5 OK?
      >
      > Best,
      >
      > Zip
      >
      >
    • Jun 06 2008 | 5:41 am
      I'm currently working with a soundflower + ICST Ambisonics combo, working like a charm with *almost* zero crashes (excepted sometimes when opening some help files during the set). I had a very bad time with rewire~, far from being bombproof IMHO. Maybe it depends the platform you're on. (Mac here)
    • Jun 06 2008 | 8:42 am
      Thanks for the info. I will look into Soundflower. Haven't used it
      for quite a while.
      Op 6-jun-2008, om 3:58 heeft mattyo het volgende geschreven:
      > I personally hate rewire, & have had much more consistent results
      > with soundflower, if the sending app is compatible.
      >
      > I have never had a stability problem with vbap~l, although (as in
      > any of these spatialization things) your non-trained engineers will
      > have to tell your patch where the speakers are.
      >
      > M
      >
      >
      > On Jun 5, 2008, at 17:28, Zip Boterbloem wrote:
      >
      >> I've been asked to write a little Max program that receives an
      >> audiostream via rewire and uses some sort of surround panner to
      >> pan music/sfx around 4 and 8 speaker arrays.
      >>
      >> There are plenty of surround externals floating around (ambipan~,
      >> vbapan~ etc.) that I can use for this purpose.
      >>
      >> This has to be used in a messy theatre production with lots of
      >> travelling, tight deadlines, stress, and non-Max trained engineers.
      >>
      >> My main concern is the absence of weird crashes, hiccups etc.
      >> Reliability is key. Really exact location of the panned sounds is
      >> not so important. I tried ambipan~ and crashed within minutes.
      >>
      >> What are other people's favorite objects/ways of reliable surround
      >> panning? Is rewire~ bombproof at all? Should I stick with max
      >> 4.6.3 or is 5 OK?
      >>
      >> Best,
      >>
      >> Zip
      >>
      >>
      >
    • Jun 06 2008 | 8:42 am
      Thanks for the info. I will look into Soundflower. Haven't used it
      for quite a while.
      Op 6-jun-2008, om 7:41 heeft Philippe Jelli het volgende geschreven:
      >
      > I'm currently working with a soundflower + ICST Ambisonics combo,
      > working like a charm with *almost* zero crashes (excepted sometimes
      > when opening some help files during the set). I had a very bad time
      > with rewire~, far from being bombproof IMHO. Maybe it depends the
      > platform you're on. (Mac here)
      >
      >
    • Jun 06 2008 | 11:44 am
      if you are on a mac use JACK. it is very reliable.
      i don't like rewire, either
      cheers,
      Carey
      On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Zip Boterbloem wrote:
      > Thanks for the info. I will look into Soundflower. Haven't used it for quite
      > a while.
      >
      > Op 6-jun-2008, om 3:58 heeft mattyo het volgende geschreven:
      >
      >> I personally hate rewire, & have had much more consistent results with
      >> soundflower, if the sending app is compatible.
      >>
      >> I have never had a stability problem with vbap~l, although (as in any of
      >> these spatialization things) your non-trained engineers will have to tell
      >> your patch where the speakers are.
      >>
      >> M
      >>
      >>
      >> On Jun 5, 2008, at 17:28, Zip Boterbloem wrote:
      >>
      >>> I've been asked to write a little Max program that receives an
      >>> audiostream via rewire and uses some sort of surround panner to pan
      >>> music/sfx around 4 and 8 speaker arrays.
      >>>
      >>> There are plenty of surround externals floating around (ambipan~, vbapan~
      >>> etc.) that I can use for this purpose.
      >>>
      >>> This has to be used in a messy theatre production with lots of
      >>> travelling, tight deadlines, stress, and non-Max trained engineers.
      >>>
      >>> My main concern is the absence of weird crashes, hiccups etc. Reliability
      >>> is key. Really exact location of the panned sounds is not so important. I
      >>> tried ambipan~ and crashed within minutes.
      >>>
      >>> What are other people's favorite objects/ways of reliable surround
      >>> panning? Is rewire~ bombproof at all? Should I stick with max 4.6.3 or is 5
      >>> OK?
      >>>
      >>> Best,
      >>>
      >>> Zip
      >>>
      >>>
      >>
      >
      >
    • Jun 06 2008 | 12:25 pm
      Testing SoundFlower and vbapan~ under Max 4.6.3. No problems so far.
      I also have/use Jack, but soundflower is more of a no-brainer for
      theatre soundengineers.
      Thanks for the advice.
      Z
      Op 6-jun-2008, om 13:44 heeft carey dodge het volgende geschreven:
      > if you are on a mac use JACK. it is very reliable.
      >
      > i don't like rewire, either
      >
      > cheers,
      >
      > Carey
      >
      > On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Zip Boterbloem wrote:
      >> Thanks for the info. I will look into Soundflower. Haven't used it
      >> for quite
      >> a while.
      >>
      >> Op 6-jun-2008, om 3:58 heeft mattyo het volgende geschreven:
      >>
      >>> I personally hate rewire, & have had much more consistent results
      >>> with
      >>> soundflower, if the sending app is compatible.
      >>>
      >>> I have never had a stability problem with vbap~l, although (as in
      >>> any of
      >>> these spatialization things) your non-trained engineers will have
      >>> to tell
      >>> your patch where the speakers are.
      >>>
      >>> M
      >>>
      >>>
      >>> On Jun 5, 2008, at 17:28, Zip Boterbloem wrote:
      >>>
      >>>> I've been asked to write a little Max program that receives an
      >>>> audiostream via rewire and uses some sort of surround panner to pan
      >>>> music/sfx around 4 and 8 speaker arrays.
      >>>>
      >>>> There are plenty of surround externals floating around
      >>>> (ambipan~, vbapan~
      >>>> etc.) that I can use for this purpose.
      >>>>
      >>>> This has to be used in a messy theatre production with lots of
      >>>> travelling, tight deadlines, stress, and non-Max trained engineers.
      >>>>
      >>>> My main concern is the absence of weird crashes, hiccups etc.
      >>>> Reliability
      >>>> is key. Really exact location of the panned sounds is not so
      >>>> important. I
      >>>> tried ambipan~ and crashed within minutes.
      >>>>
      >>>> What are other people's favorite objects/ways of reliable surround
      >>>> panning? Is rewire~ bombproof at all? Should I stick with max
      >>>> 4.6.3 or is 5
      >>>> OK?
      >>>>
      >>>> Best,
      >>>>
      >>>> Zip
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>
      >>
      >>