rewire & surround questions


    Jun 05 2008 | 9:28 pm
    I've been asked to write a little Max program that receives an audiostream via rewire and uses some sort of surround panner to pan music/sfx around 4 and 8 speaker arrays.
    There are plenty of surround externals floating around (ambipan~, vbapan~ etc.) that I can use for this purpose.
    This has to be used in a messy theatre production with lots of travelling, tight deadlines, stress, and non-Max trained engineers.
    My main concern is the absence of weird crashes, hiccups etc. Reliability is key. Really exact location of the panned sounds is not so important. I tried ambipan~ and crashed within minutes.
    What are other people's favorite objects/ways of reliable surround panning? Is rewire~ bombproof at all? Should I stick with max 4.6.3 or is 5 OK?
    Best,
    Zip

    • Jun 06 2008 | 1:58 am
      I personally hate rewire, & have had much more consistent results with soundflower, if the sending app is compatible.
      I have never had a stability problem with vbap~l, although (as in any of these spatialization things) your non-trained engineers will have to tell your patch where the speakers are.
      M
      On Jun 5, 2008, at 17:28, Zip Boterbloem wrote:
      > I've been asked to write a little Max program that receives an > audiostream via rewire and uses some sort of surround panner to pan > music/sfx around 4 and 8 speaker arrays. > > There are plenty of surround externals floating around (ambipan~, > vbapan~ etc.) that I can use for this purpose. > > This has to be used in a messy theatre production with lots of > travelling, tight deadlines, stress, and non-Max trained engineers. > > My main concern is the absence of weird crashes, hiccups etc. > Reliability is key. Really exact location of the panned sounds is > not so important. I tried ambipan~ and crashed within minutes. > > What are other people's favorite objects/ways of reliable surround > panning? Is rewire~ bombproof at all? Should I stick with max 4.6.3 > or is 5 OK? > > Best, > > Zip > >
    • Jun 06 2008 | 5:41 am
      I'm currently working with a soundflower + ICST Ambisonics combo, working like a charm with *almost* zero crashes (excepted sometimes when opening some help files during the set). I had a very bad time with rewire~, far from being bombproof IMHO. Maybe it depends the platform you're on. (Mac here)
    • Jun 06 2008 | 8:42 am
      Thanks for the info. I will look into Soundflower. Haven't used it for quite a while.
      Op 6-jun-2008, om 3:58 heeft mattyo het volgende geschreven:
      > I personally hate rewire, & have had much more consistent results > with soundflower, if the sending app is compatible. > > I have never had a stability problem with vbap~l, although (as in > any of these spatialization things) your non-trained engineers will > have to tell your patch where the speakers are. > > M > > > On Jun 5, 2008, at 17:28, Zip Boterbloem wrote: > >> I've been asked to write a little Max program that receives an >> audiostream via rewire and uses some sort of surround panner to >> pan music/sfx around 4 and 8 speaker arrays. >> >> There are plenty of surround externals floating around (ambipan~, >> vbapan~ etc.) that I can use for this purpose. >> >> This has to be used in a messy theatre production with lots of >> travelling, tight deadlines, stress, and non-Max trained engineers. >> >> My main concern is the absence of weird crashes, hiccups etc. >> Reliability is key. Really exact location of the panned sounds is >> not so important. I tried ambipan~ and crashed within minutes. >> >> What are other people's favorite objects/ways of reliable surround >> panning? Is rewire~ bombproof at all? Should I stick with max >> 4.6.3 or is 5 OK? >> >> Best, >> >> Zip >> >> >
    • Jun 06 2008 | 8:42 am
      Thanks for the info. I will look into Soundflower. Haven't used it for quite a while.
      Op 6-jun-2008, om 7:41 heeft Philippe Jelli het volgende geschreven:
      > > I'm currently working with a soundflower + ICST Ambisonics combo, > working like a charm with *almost* zero crashes (excepted sometimes > when opening some help files during the set). I had a very bad time > with rewire~, far from being bombproof IMHO. Maybe it depends the > platform you're on. (Mac here) > >
    • Jun 06 2008 | 11:44 am
      if you are on a mac use JACK. it is very reliable.
      i don't like rewire, either
      cheers,
      Carey
      On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Zip Boterbloem wrote: > Thanks for the info. I will look into Soundflower. Haven't used it for quite > a while. > > Op 6-jun-2008, om 3:58 heeft mattyo het volgende geschreven: > >> I personally hate rewire, & have had much more consistent results with >> soundflower, if the sending app is compatible. >> >> I have never had a stability problem with vbap~l, although (as in any of >> these spatialization things) your non-trained engineers will have to tell >> your patch where the speakers are. >> >> M >> >> >> On Jun 5, 2008, at 17:28, Zip Boterbloem wrote: >> >>> I've been asked to write a little Max program that receives an >>> audiostream via rewire and uses some sort of surround panner to pan >>> music/sfx around 4 and 8 speaker arrays. >>> >>> There are plenty of surround externals floating around (ambipan~, vbapan~ >>> etc.) that I can use for this purpose. >>> >>> This has to be used in a messy theatre production with lots of >>> travelling, tight deadlines, stress, and non-Max trained engineers. >>> >>> My main concern is the absence of weird crashes, hiccups etc. Reliability >>> is key. Really exact location of the panned sounds is not so important. I >>> tried ambipan~ and crashed within minutes. >>> >>> What are other people's favorite objects/ways of reliable surround >>> panning? Is rewire~ bombproof at all? Should I stick with max 4.6.3 or is 5 >>> OK? >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Zip >>> >>> >> > >
    • Jun 06 2008 | 12:25 pm
      Testing SoundFlower and vbapan~ under Max 4.6.3. No problems so far. I also have/use Jack, but soundflower is more of a no-brainer for theatre soundengineers.
      Thanks for the advice.
      Z
      Op 6-jun-2008, om 13:44 heeft carey dodge het volgende geschreven:
      > if you are on a mac use JACK. it is very reliable. > > i don't like rewire, either > > cheers, > > Carey > > On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Zip Boterbloem wrote: >> Thanks for the info. I will look into Soundflower. Haven't used it >> for quite >> a while. >> >> Op 6-jun-2008, om 3:58 heeft mattyo het volgende geschreven: >> >>> I personally hate rewire, & have had much more consistent results >>> with >>> soundflower, if the sending app is compatible. >>> >>> I have never had a stability problem with vbap~l, although (as in >>> any of >>> these spatialization things) your non-trained engineers will have >>> to tell >>> your patch where the speakers are. >>> >>> M >>> >>> >>> On Jun 5, 2008, at 17:28, Zip Boterbloem wrote: >>> >>>> I've been asked to write a little Max program that receives an >>>> audiostream via rewire and uses some sort of surround panner to pan >>>> music/sfx around 4 and 8 speaker arrays. >>>> >>>> There are plenty of surround externals floating around >>>> (ambipan~, vbapan~ >>>> etc.) that I can use for this purpose. >>>> >>>> This has to be used in a messy theatre production with lots of >>>> travelling, tight deadlines, stress, and non-Max trained engineers. >>>> >>>> My main concern is the absence of weird crashes, hiccups etc. >>>> Reliability >>>> is key. Really exact location of the panned sounds is not so >>>> important. I >>>> tried ambipan~ and crashed within minutes. >>>> >>>> What are other people's favorite objects/ways of reliable surround >>>> panning? Is rewire~ bombproof at all? Should I stick with max >>>> 4.6.3 or is 5 >>>> OK? >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> Zip >>>> >>>> >>> >> >>