Severe problems with stability


    Jan 01 2007 | 4:53 pm
    Hi,
    I have been running max msp 4.5.5 for quite a while now. But lately, I am having issues with program's stability
    here's a list of things that result in program crash
    -openning-closing a help patcher
    -openning-closing audio
    -deleting-creating an object
    -wiring an msp object while the audio is on
    These all occur in a more or less random fashion, not everytime I do these things but they do occur very frequently, at least enough to drive me crazy.
    I added several external libraries a short time ago (CNMAT and several other single objects like analyze~, beat~ etc.). I thought this could be one reason and I took back all the changes and removed all the externals, the result is the same.
    I checked file preferences in case the max is trying to reach something but it couldn't find the path. I even switched to the onboard soundcard which is pretty stable
    I'd appreciate if anyone guides me through this.
    Thanks!
    Ali

    • Jan 01 2007 | 5:48 pm
      Since it was working before, and has recently stopped working, when
      doing completely normal, generally stable actions, I might be
      inclined to test RAM or hard drive. This sounds like a hardware issue
      to me.
      But you might try removing preferences, doing a backup + clean
      reinstall of your OS, etc. etc. etc. before you start swapping out
      hardware.
      jb
      Am 01.01.2007 um 17:53 schrieb gimbal:
      >
      > Hi,
      > I have been running max msp 4.5.5 for quite a while now. But
      > lately, I am having issues with program's stability
      > here's a list of things that result in program crash
      >
      > -openning-closing a help patcher
      > -openning-closing audio
      > -deleting-creating an object
      > -wiring an msp object while the audio is on
      >
      > These all occur in a more or less random fashion, not everytime I
      > do these things but they do occur very frequently, at least enough
      > to drive me crazy.
      >
      > I added several external libraries a short time ago (CNMAT and
      > several other single objects like analyze~, beat~ etc.). I thought
      > this could be one reason and I took back all the changes and
      > removed all the externals, the result is the same.
      > I checked file preferences in case the max is trying to reach
      > something but it couldn't find the path. I even switched to the
      > onboard soundcard which is pretty stable
      >
      >
      > I'd appreciate if anyone guides me through this.
      > Thanks!
      > Ali
    • Jan 01 2007 | 8:20 pm
      > -openning-closing a help patcher
      > -openning-closing audio
      > -deleting-creating an object
      > -wiring an msp object while the audio is on
      >
      Any of these tasks, performed while audio is on, will force the audio
      dsp chain to have to be rebuilt, maybe several times over. When I
      accidentally try doing this kind of stuff myself, I experiences
      occasional crashes myself. In those cases I blame myself more than
      others. I would strongly recommend that you stop audio before doing any
      of these tasks.
      Best,
      Trond
    • Jan 01 2007 | 8:33 pm
      >>
      >>-openning-closing audio
      >>
      >
      > I would strongly recommend that you stop audio before doing any of
      >these tasks.
      >
      >
      stop audio before stopping it?? wooowww!!!
      all the best!
      kasper
    • Jan 01 2007 | 8:34 pm
      Jeremy and Trond, Thanks for the answers
      Trond, stopping the audio would be one good option if it didn't cause the program to crash too.
      And it didn't work that way a week ago, so why should it change and what caused it to do that?
      I mean opening a help patch may be hard on the dsp chain but does it supposed to crash the program for that, don't you aggree : )
    • Jan 02 2007 | 4:48 am
      On 1-Jan-2007, at 15:34, gimbal wrote:
      > And it didn't work that way a week ago, so why should it change and
      > what caused it to do that?
      In this situation the question to ask is "What did you change a week
      ago?"
      You probably did change something. Possibly inadverdently.
      Good luck and a Happy New Year to all!
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    • Jan 02 2007 | 9:36 am
      Yes,
      sorry for being a bit to fast to reply. Turning audio on and off
      obviously shouldn't cause problems for you. Here are a few suggestions
      for where to look for further cues:
      - I see that you are currently using Max 4.5.5. If you are at Mac OSX,
      download the latest version of Max and install. This will install to a
      separate folder and as such won't interfere with your currently
      installed version. Test it running MSP tutorials and help files and see
      if it displays the same problems.
      - If you are on Mac, do you get crash logs, and if so, what do they look
      like? Do you get the same crash log every time?
      - If you are on Mac PPC, rename the Max folder to something else, move
      the C74 folder and reinstall Max 4.5.7. Do you still get the same
      problems testing MSP tutorials and help files?
      - As Peter has pointed out already, did you do any changes to your
      system at the time that the problems started appearing?
      - Trash all Max and MSP preferences.
      If new and clean installs of Max work fine, it is a clear indication
      that the problem have to do with the currently installed version of Max.
      If they continue to display the same problems, it might be something
      else causing it, e.g. hardware problems. Do you get similar problems
      running other music programs?
      I hope this gives you something to work on.
      Best,
      Trond
      gimbal wrote:
      > Jeremy and Trond, Thanks for the answers
      >
      > Trond, stopping the audio would be one good option if it didn't cause the program to crash too.
      > And it didn't work that way a week ago, so why should it change and what caused it to do that?
      > I mean opening a help patch may be hard on the dsp chain but does it supposed to crash the program for that, don't you aggree : )
    • Jan 08 2007 | 9:39 pm
      Hey,
      Thank again Trond for the answers. I am sorry for not stating my OS, which is windows XP. so I am unable to follow through all of your advices, for example the one on crash logs.
      But I did the re-installing procedure however the result is the same
      When I undo my recent changes, the problem is usually fixed because I realized that this undoing part is usually concerned with uninstalling my externals : )
      The Granular Toolkit by Nathan Wolek has proven to be the most problematic library among them. I did had issues with reverb plugins such as freeverb~, gigaverb~ etc. I couldn't test all of my externals because trying to invoke a problematic system state is a little time consuming : )
      So now that I more or less put my finger on the problem, I think the solution should be closer. Thanks everyone for the comments.
      the further is welcome too in this case : )
      Ali