[somewhat ot] Importing Audio from CD


    Aug 08 2007 | 7:43 am
    Greetings maxers,
    This is somewhat off topic, as it isn't a 100% max specific query, so
    let me apologize in advance.... However, i know folks here know their
    stuff when it comes to digital audio and i am desperate for an answer.
    I always ask folks who send me audio files to work with, to send them
    as data because i have noticed that when you rip from an audio CD
    using iTunes you sometimes get drop outs even if you have the:
    [Use error correction when reading Audio CDs]
    option checked off in Preferences --> Advanced
    Now i have some Audio CDs that i need to integrate into an archive
    (the data is gone and all i have are the audio cds to work with) and
    i have to be absolutely 100% certain that i have yanked all of the
    audio off the CD w/o dropouts or any other data loss...
    I am not at all sure how to do this...
    The only thing i can think of is to rip the audio several times and
    compare it and if it is the same then (under the crazy assumption
    that the rip would not drop data in the same place twice) .... but
    then i have to rip it several times which would take a LOT of time
    and a LOT of disk space... and then of course i would have to compare
    the soundfiles while ignoring the header ... ugh.. and the only way i
    can think to do this is to load both soundfiles in to a DAW, invert
    the phase of one and mix.... and then do an amp plot and check that
    each sample has summed to 0. ... you can see why i don't want to do
    this as i have dozens of CDs to archive....
    so is there any fail-safe way to yank audio from CDs?
    I am on a Mac, intel... os 10.4... I indeed have Max and Peak and
    Garbage band (i guess)....
    Any help would be greatly appreciated...
    cheers,
    kevin

    • Aug 08 2007 | 8:03 am
      kevin parks skrev:
      > I always ask folks who send me audio files to work with, to send them
      > as data because i have noticed that when you rip from an audio CD
      > using iTunes you sometimes get drop outs
      Short answer; don't use iTunes.
      andreas.
    • Aug 08 2007 | 8:25 am
      Andreas,
      I already know the short answer.... That iTunes sux and is not a secure
      rip utility is already old news to me...
      i am looking for the longer answer...
      For example there is cdda2wav on the command line for some flavors of
      Unix and also cdparanoia for linux, but i don't see any binaries for
      MacOS X and not sure if they have been/can be built without something
      like fink or darwin ports... etc..
      -kevin
      On Aug 8, 2007, at 5:03 PM, Andreas Wetterberg wrote:
      > kevin parks skrev:
      >> I always ask folks who send me audio files to work with, to send
      >> them as data because i have noticed that when you rip from an
      >> audio CD using iTunes you sometimes get drop outs
      > Short answer; don't use iTunes.
      > http://www.google.dk/search?hl=en&q=cd+rip+osx+free&btnG=S%C3%
      > B8g&meta=
      >
      > andreas.
    • Aug 08 2007 | 8:34 am
    • Aug 08 2007 | 9:02 am
      On Aug 8, 2007, at 5:34 PM, Patrick Delges wrote:
      > Hi,
      >
      > I never noticed any dropout when importing audio CD, but almost
      > never did it with iTunes.
      > To get an audio file from an audio CD, just copy the track from the
      > CD to a hard disk, OSX will create an AIFF file for you (lathough
      > it may be AIFC, but the conversion is easy).
      under the hood, wouldn't this just do the same thing (as in use the
      same slurping utility) as iTunes does?
      > Peak can also import files from audio CDs.
      I wonder about Peak too.... it used to be terrible at importing CDs
      in the old days.. I will
      try it as i have and use peak 5.x .... forgot all about peak's
      importing abilities.... hmm...
      > If you really have to compare audio files, you could use diff in a
      > shell (although i'm quite sure there must be some UI versions
      > available, I remember there was one on NeXTStep).
      Filemerge.app ...
      look in :
      /Developer/Applications/Utilities/
      and you will see an old friend ....
      hehe you are as old as me... [that would be very old]
      -kevin
    • Aug 08 2007 | 9:07 am
      Hi,
      I use this:
      And it's called MAX !
      All the best
      --
      Alessandro Fogar
      2007/8/8, kevin parks :
      > Greetings maxers,
      >
      > This is somewhat off topic, as it isn't a 100% max specific query, so
      > let me apologize in advance.... However, i know folks here know their
      > stuff when it comes to digital audio and i am desperate for an answer.
      >
      > I always ask folks who send me audio files to work with, to send them
      > as data because i have noticed that when you rip from an audio CD
      > using iTunes you sometimes get drop outs even if you have the:
      >
      > [Use error correction when reading Audio CDs]
      >
      > option checked off in Preferences --> Advanced
      >
      > Now i have some Audio CDs that i need to integrate into an archive
      > (the data is gone and all i have are the audio cds to work with) and
      > i have to be absolutely 100% certain that i have yanked all of the
      > audio off the CD w/o dropouts or any other data loss...
      >
      > I am not at all sure how to do this...
      >
      > The only thing i can think of is to rip the audio several times and
      > compare it and if it is the same then (under the crazy assumption
      > that the rip would not drop data in the same place twice) .... but
      > then i have to rip it several times which would take a LOT of time
      > and a LOT of disk space... and then of course i would have to compare
      > the soundfiles while ignoring the header ... ugh.. and the only way i
      > can think to do this is to load both soundfiles in to a DAW, invert
      > the phase of one and mix.... and then do an amp plot and check that
      > each sample has summed to 0. ... you can see why i don't want to do
      > this as i have dozens of CDs to archive....
      >
      > so is there any fail-safe way to yank audio from CDs?
      >
      > I am on a Mac, intel... os 10.4... I indeed have Max and Peak and
      > Garbage band (i guess)....
      >
      > Any help would be greatly appreciated...
      >
      > cheers,
      >
      > kevin
      >
      >
      >
    • Aug 08 2007 | 9:52 am
      Rocking!
      That's just what the doctor ordered.. it reads from the disk multiple
      times and does comparisons, etc, and uses
      the CD paranoia thing as well as it's own error checking...
      Bravo~ woo....
      Thank you thank you thank you...
      -kevin
      On Aug 8, 2007, at 6:07 PM, Alessandro Fogar wrote:
      > Hi,
      >
      > I use this:
      >
      > http://sbooth.org/Max/
      >
      > And it's called MAX !
      >
      > All the best
      >
      > --
      > Alessandro Fogar
      >
      > http://www.fogar.it
      >
      > 2007/8/8, kevin parks :
      >> Greetings maxers,
      >>
      >> This is somewhat off topic, as it isn't a 100% max specific query, so
      >> let me apologize in advance.... However, i know folks here know their
      >> stuff when it comes to digital audio and i am desperate for an
      >> answer.
      >>
      >> I always ask folks who send me audio files to work with, to send them
      >> as data because i have noticed that when you rip from an audio CD
      >> using iTunes you sometimes get drop outs even if you have the:
      >>
      >> [Use error correction when reading Audio CDs]
      >>
      >> option checked off in Preferences --> Advanced
      >>
      >> Now i have some Audio CDs that i need to integrate into an archive
      >> (the data is gone and all i have are the audio cds to work with) and
      >> i have to be absolutely 100% certain that i have yanked all of the
      >> audio off the CD w/o dropouts or any other data loss...
      >>
      >> I am not at all sure how to do this...
      >>
      >> The only thing i can think of is to rip the audio several times and
      >> compare it and if it is the same then (under the crazy assumption
      >> that the rip would not drop data in the same place twice) .... but
      >> then i have to rip it several times which would take a LOT of time
      >> and a LOT of disk space... and then of course i would have to compare
      >> the soundfiles while ignoring the header ... ugh.. and the only way i
      >> can think to do this is to load both soundfiles in to a DAW, invert
      >> the phase of one and mix.... and then do an amp plot and check that
      >> each sample has summed to 0. ... you can see why i don't want to do
      >> this as i have dozens of CDs to archive....
      >>
      >> so is there any fail-safe way to yank audio from CDs?
      >>
      >> I am on a Mac, intel... os 10.4... I indeed have Max and Peak and
      >> Garbage band (i guess)....
      >>
      >> Any help would be greatly appreciated...
      >>
      >> cheers,
      >>
      >> kevin
      >>
      >>
      >>
    • Aug 08 2007 | 11:48 am
      Do it with Max! No, not that one, this one:
      Damn useful little (Freeware) conversion utility with excellent CD ripping
      features,
      Cheers
      Roger
      On 8/8/07 09:03, "Andreas Wetterberg" wrote:
      > kevin parks skrev:
      >> I always ask folks who send me audio files to work with, to send them
      >> as data because i have noticed that when you rip from an audio CD
      >> using iTunes you sometimes get drop outs
    • Aug 09 2007 | 7:34 am
      kevin parks schrieb:
      > The only thing i can think of is to rip the audio several times and
      > compare it and if it is the same then (under the crazy assumption that
      > the rip would not drop data in the same place twice)
      If you check the error correction to on!!! iTunes is doing that for you.
      If there is an error, it will read again, till there is no error. after
      several tries it will interpolate, which still sounds ok...
      You can tell the quality of the CD by the speed its ripping. The slower
      the worse...
      I used to use the ripper from Toast in OS 9, which had a special feature
      for that... I guess that's not an option...
      Stefan
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