i don't know how karma~ works exactly but if it takes signal input for the timing of loop lengths then gen can do this.

Thank you, however, I did not speak correctly in my first post.

I said "metro" but what I really meant was "transport"

Is there a sample accurate transport that will output measures, beats, and ticks sample accurately?

In other words, something that will take a sample accurate metro and divine it down into measures, beats, ticks, and sub-ticks?

Sorry for the confusion.

L

Hi I was going to suggest this :

But then saw the OP's reply. Sample accuracy is guaranteed in gen, but as soon as you output into Max's control domain, it's only millisecond accuracy; I originally thought that the problem (fractions of a millisecond discrepancy) was down to the actual transport layer (like non locality, I'm not familiar with Karma). How are you transmitting your timing signal to Karma? Via MIDI?

Brendan

Thank you Brendan.

I am using a Max patch cord to connect the output of the transport to karma~'s rec inlet.

So if I'm understanding you correctly, are you saying that there is no way to get sample accurate connections between patchers in Max using patch cords?

Larry

Karma~, as other's have mentioned takes max messages, so it wont be sample accurate. When designing it, that kind of sync was not important to me at all (I'd start/stop it as I need, musically, not tied to any other clocks). So even if you use something sample accurate (phasor~ or similar), the 'record' and 'play' messages are Max messages, so they execute when they execute, not when the sample says so.

I know raja is working on a separate looper, using some of the same guts/mechanisms of karma, but that will be super sync-able (he's really into that!).

Also, he's porting karma~ over to gen, which will allow what you're saying much easier, not to mention it will be very tweakable. It's worth watching this thread here: https://cycling74.com/forums/a-wee-share-ipoke-in-gen/

He's posted a kind of working starting point for it, and I'm sure more of it will show up in that thread (or the main karma thread) when it develops.

THAT would be freaking awesome! OMFG... bring it on!

Love the name.

L

the point is...

"are you saying that there is no way to get sample accurate connections between patchers in Max using patch cords?"

...that this will never happen, because a samplerate will never be of a floating point resolution. comparing single events versus single samples, events are even more accurate. :)