Todd Winkler's Book


    Aug 30 2007 | 8:05 pm
    Hey All,
    Quick question. I just bought Todd Winkler's book off Amazon (Composing Interactive Music: Techniques and Ideas Using Max), but it didn't come with the included CD-Rom. For anyone that has read the book, is the CD extremely important, or is it just a quicker way to work through examples? Also, does anyone know where I might be able to score a copy of it? I have tried contacting the vendor who sold it to me, but they haven't been much help. Thanks in advance, and thanks for all the great information included within these threads. They have been extremely valuable in my projects and study.
    -- Ryan Billia www.ryanbillia.com

    • Aug 30 2007 | 8:25 pm
      I have the book with the CD; I haven't got round to reading it yet, so I can't really answer your first question, but I could probably get a copy of the CD's content to you - hailing as it does from System 7 days, the entire thing weighs in at around 10MB! Cheers Roger
      On 30/8/07 21:05, "Ryan Billia" wrote:
      > Hey All, > > Quick question. I just bought Todd Winkler's book off Amazon > (Composing Interactive Music: Techniques and Ideas Using Max), but it > didn't come with the included CD-Rom. For anyone that has read the > book, is the CD extremely important, or is it just a quicker way to > work through examples? Also, does anyone know where I might be able > to score a copy of it? I have tried contacting the vendor who sold it > to me, but they haven't been much help. Thanks in advance, and thanks > for all the great information included within these threads. They > have been extremely valuable in my projects and study.
    • Aug 30 2007 | 8:40 pm
      Ah, that would be fantastic. Maybe you could "yousendit" to me if possible, otherwise any other option is fine too. Thank you very much.
      On 8/30/07, Roger Carruthers wrote: > I have the book with the CD; I haven't got round to reading it yet, so I > can't really answer your first question, but I could probably get a copy of > the CD's content to you - hailing as it does from System 7 days, the entire > thing weighs in at around 10MB! > Cheers > Roger > > > On 30/8/07 21:05, "Ryan Billia" wrote: > > > Hey All, > > > > Quick question. I just bought Todd Winkler's book off Amazon > > (Composing Interactive Music: Techniques and Ideas Using Max), but it > > didn't come with the included CD-Rom. For anyone that has read the > > book, is the CD extremely important, or is it just a quicker way to > > work through examples? Also, does anyone know where I might be able > > to score a copy of it? I have tried contacting the vendor who sold it > > to me, but they haven't been much help. Thanks in advance, and thanks > > for all the great information included within these threads. They > > have been extremely valuable in my projects and study. > > >
      -- Ryan Billia www.ryanbillia.com
    • Aug 30 2007 | 8:43 pm
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      -----Original Message----- From: "Ryan Billia"
      Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:05:03 Subject: [maxmsp] Todd Winkler's Book
      Hey All,
      Quick question. I just bought Todd Winkler's book off Amazon (Composing Interactive Music: Techniques and Ideas Using Max), but it didn't come with the included CD-Rom. For anyone that has read the book, is the CD extremely important, or is it just a quicker way to work through examples? Also, does anyone know where I might be able to score a copy of it? I have tried contacting the vendor who sold it to me, but they haven't been much help. Thanks in advance, and thanks for all the great information included within these threads. They have been extremely valuable in my projects and study.
      -- Ryan Billia www.ryanbillia.com
    • Aug 30 2007 | 8:49 pm
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      -----Original Message----- From: Roger Carruthers
      Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:25:03 To:Max list Subject: Re: [maxmsp] Todd Winkler's Book
      I have the book with the CD; I haven't got round to reading it yet, so I can't really answer your first question, but I could probably get a copy of the CD's content to you - hailing as it does from System 7 days, the entire thing weighs in at around 10MB! Cheers Roger
      On 30/8/07 21:05, "Ryan Billia" wrote:
      > Hey All, > > Quick question. I just bought Todd Winkler's book off Amazon > (Composing Interactive Music: Techniques and Ideas Using Max), but it > didn't come with the included CD-Rom. For anyone that has read the > book, is the CD extremely important, or is it just a quicker way to > work through examples? Also, does anyone know where I might be able > to score a copy of it? I have tried contacting the vendor who sold it > to me, but they haven't been much help. Thanks in advance, and thanks > for all the great information included within these threads. They > have been extremely valuable in my projects and study.
    • Aug 30 2007 | 8:59 pm
      I've used the book to teach Max/MSP for a while, and I greatly recommend getting the CD-ROM - pretty much all the examples from the book are there - no need to code them up yourself. It also includes some other things which may or may not be useful, but the examples themselves are very helpful in turning the knowledge into experience.
      On Aug 30, 2007, at 2:05 PM, Ryan Billia wrote:
      > Quick question. I just bought Todd Winkler's book off Amazon > (Composing Interactive Music: Techniques and Ideas Using Max), but it > didn't come with the included CD-Rom. For anyone that has read the > book, is the CD extremely important, or is it just a quicker way to > work through examples? Also, does anyone know where I might be able > to score a copy of it? I have tried contacting the vendor who sold it > to me, but they haven't been much help. Thanks in advance, and thanks > for all the great information included within these threads. They > have been extremely valuable in my projects and study.
      ---- Steven M. Miller Professor, Contemporary Music Program College of Santa Fe
      Home SFIFEM Atrium Sound Space OVOS CMP
    • Aug 30 2007 | 9:11 pm
      hi,
      looked at your web site - interesting stuff. Where do you work on this?
      ron
      Ryan Billia wrote: Hey All,
      Quick question. I just bought Todd Winkler's book off Amazon (Composing Interactive Music: Techniques and Ideas Using Max), but it didn't come with the included CD-Rom. For anyone that has read the book, is the CD extremely important, or is it just a quicker way to work through examples? Also, does anyone know where I might be able to score a copy of it? I have tried contacting the vendor who sold it to me, but they haven't been much help. Thanks in advance, and thanks for all the great information included within these threads. They have been extremely valuable in my projects and study.
      -- Ryan Billia www.ryanbillia.com
    • Aug 30 2007 | 9:31 pm
      I read through the entire book without loading up the CD-ROM examples at all... but I was looking for more theoretical knowledge rather than specific implementation ideas. So I guess what I'm saying is... it all depends on what you're looking to get out of it.
      That being said... I have the CD at home and I'd be happy to send you the contents later tonight if you'd like them.
      /dan
      Quote: rbillia wrote on Thu, 30 August 2007 14:05 ---------------------------------------------------- > Hey All, > > Quick question. I just bought Todd Winkler's book off Amazon > (Composing Interactive Music: Techniques and Ideas Using Max), but it > didn't come with the included CD-Rom. For anyone that has read the > book, is the CD extremely important, or is it just a quicker way to > work through examples? Also, does anyone know where I might be able > to score a copy of it? I have tried contacting the vendor who sold it > to me, but they haven't been much help. Thanks in advance, and thanks > for all the great information included within these threads. They > have been extremely valuable in my projects and study. > > -- > Ryan Billia > www.ryanbillia.com > ----------------------------------------------------
    • Aug 30 2007 | 9:53 pm
      Dan, that would be great. Roger above said he would do the same, so either one would be great. I am also more interested in the theoretical stuff within the book, but being able to access the info digitally would be great as well. I was told the contents only equalled about 10 MB, so if it is easier to zip it and send it via "yousendit" that is fine or any other way is fine as well. My direct email is rbillia@gmail.com. Thank you very much for offering to send it out.
      Also, to Ron, thank you for checking out my site. I am based out of NY. My site needs to be updated, most of that work is about 6 months to a year old, and there is quite a bit of new stuff I am working on. I am always interesting in checking into other's work as well as discussing techniques and ideas, please feel free to pass on any comments or links to your work. Thank you all for getting back so quickly. Hopefully soon, my question will be more geared towards specific Max issues.
      On 8/30/07, Dan wrote: > > I read through the entire book without loading up the CD-ROM examples at all... but I was looking for more theoretical knowledge rather than specific implementation ideas. So I guess what I'm saying is... it all depends on what you're looking to get out of it. > > That being said... I have the CD at home and I'd be happy to send you the contents later tonight if you'd like them. > > /dan > > > Quote: rbillia wrote on Thu, 30 August 2007 14:05 > ---------------------------------------------------- > > Hey All, > > > > Quick question. I just bought Todd Winkler's book off Amazon > > (Composing Interactive Music: Techniques and Ideas Using Max), but it > > didn't come with the included CD-Rom. For anyone that has read the > > book, is the CD extremely important, or is it just a quicker way to > > work through examples? Also, does anyone know where I might be able > > to score a copy of it? I have tried contacting the vendor who sold it > > to me, but they haven't been much help. Thanks in advance, and thanks > > for all the great information included within these threads. They > > have been extremely valuable in my projects and study. > > > > -- > > Ryan Billia > > www.ryanbillia.com > > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > >
      -- Ryan Billia www.ryanbillia.com
    • Aug 30 2007 | 10:08 pm
      Sure thing... I'm on the west coast so I won't be home from work for another 6 hours or so. Look for it sometime late tonight.
      /dan
      Quote: rbillia wrote on Thu, 30 August 2007 15:53 ---------------------------------------------------- > Dan, that would be great. Roger above said he would do the same, so > either one would be great. I am also more interested in the > theoretical stuff within the book, but being able to access the info > digitally would be great as well. I was told the contents only > equalled about 10 MB, so if it is easier to zip it and send it via > "yousendit" that is fine or any other way is fine as well. My direct > email is rbillia@gmail.com. Thank you very much for offering to send > it out.
      > Ryan Billia > www.ryanbillia.com > ----------------------------------------------------
    • Aug 31 2007 | 8:15 am
      the cd contains the patches used in the book. the patches and processes in the book are well documented so the cd isn't that important, since it's mainly patches it would be not much work to send them somewhere if you want them.
      just ask me and will be more then happy to send it to you, but the book is at my school which I'll visit tomorrow
      grtz
      On 30 Aug 2007, at 22:25, Roger Carruthers wrote:
      > I have the book with the CD; I haven't got round to reading it yet, > so I > can't really answer your first question, but I could probably get a > copy of > the CD's content to you - hailing as it does from System 7 days, > the entire > thing weighs in at around 10MB! > Cheers > Roger > > > On 30/8/07 21:05, "Ryan Billia" wrote: > >> Hey All, >> >> Quick question. I just bought Todd Winkler's book off Amazon >> (Composing Interactive Music: Techniques and Ideas Using Max), but it >> didn't come with the included CD-Rom. For anyone that has read the >> book, is the CD extremely important, or is it just a quicker way to >> work through examples? Also, does anyone know where I might be able >> to score a copy of it? I have tried contacting the vendor who >> sold it >> to me, but they haven't been much help. Thanks in advance, and >> thanks >> for all the great information included within these threads. They >> have been extremely valuable in my projects and study. > > >
    • Aug 31 2007 | 1:16 pm
      I have the book also. If you require the contents of the cd I can ftp over to you if you like.
      mark pilkington
    • Aug 31 2007 | 2:39 pm
      Thank you all very much. I actually received a few "yousendit" files last night, so I am all good with them. It is amazing how friendly and helpful MAXers are.
      On 8/31/07, mark pilkington wrote: > > I have the book also. If you require the contents of the cd I can ftp over to you if you like. > > mark pilkington >
      -- Ryan Billia www.ryanbillia.com
    • Sep 01 2007 | 1:05 am
      Just wondering, is this a good book? Wouldn't mind some reading material.
    • Sep 01 2007 | 2:15 am
      the book is a good introduction to max as an interactive midi device. It does mention msp slightly as the end of the book only because the book was published just as msp was being introduced. I picked up couple of tips from this book a few years ago when i was reading it. Definately borrow from the local library and give it a read. cheers
      mark p
    • Sep 01 2007 | 2:07 pm
      As an alternative, this might be worth a look...
      "Digital Interactive Installations: Programming Interactive Installations Using the Software Package Max/MSP/Jitter" by Frank Blum
      You can find it at Amazon...
      Don't know how good it is yet... my copy is in the post.
      Cheers
      Jules
    • Sep 02 2007 | 7:35 pm
      do say how the book is when you get it.
      it looks like a very interesting topic
      but the description makes it seems like this guy's thesis, which generally dont make for good reads.
      its also only 88pages, and expensive..
    • Sep 02 2007 | 8:31 pm
      Quote: pixelmechanic wrote on Sat, 01 September 2007 07:07 ---------------------------------------------------- > As an alternative, this might be worth a look... > > "Digital Interactive Installations: Programming Interactive Installations Using the Software Package Max/MSP/Jitter" by Frank Blum > > You can find it at Amazon... > > Don't know how good it is yet... my copy is in the post. > > Cheers > > Jules ----------------------------------------------------
      I was pretty disappointed with this book. Yes, it's a thesis, it's 88 pages and very expensive.
      mz
    • Sep 03 2007 | 7:23 am
      I have started to distribute the Cosmos application (for OSX). You can find it on
      www.sonic-disorder.com
      best
      Sinan Bokesoy
    • Sep 03 2007 | 8:31 am
      Can someone tell me if there is a Inftrared or bluetooth food pedal with at least 4 pedals tthat will work with MAX? thank you Anya
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    • Sep 03 2007 | 3:15 pm
      Well, I know m-audio makes a wireless MIDI interface. You could plug what ever device you wanted into it. As far as foot controllers go, I recommend the Berringer FCB1010.
    • Sep 03 2007 | 3:32 pm
      > > I was pretty disappointed with this book. Yes, it's a thesis, it's > 88 pages and very expensive. >
      This may be so, but it does contain some interesting approaches to interactive music - pitch and rhythm analysis, musical gestures, etc. and offers a framework for interactive computer music theory. There are some very interesting biases in the book, assumptions about how people listen to and enjoy music that are worth thinking about. Useful as a historical document, it reminds one how much can be done with MIDI alone, its limitations, etc. something it seems many have forgotten, or choose to ignore.
      Personally I borrowed the book from the library [yes, for FREE!] and read it without the CD examples. I searched around online for the examples and found nothing, so am pleased to see this thread. It would be brilliant if someone who had these on their computer could post some of them here so others may find them, and to rescue them from the System 7 graveyard.
      It is true the patches are shown in the book, but due to encapsulation and beautifully drawn segmented, overlapping, ambiguous patch cords, it would be immensely difficult to reconstruct the patches from the illustrations.
      Would a kind person who has the examples be able to post them? If not, could someone send them to me as well? They are definitely worth studying and should be part of the archive of this forum.
      DLBond
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    • Sep 03 2007 | 4:28 pm
    • Sep 03 2007 | 6:58 pm
      i just bought the book as well.. i'm really liking it. it also came with the CD.. some of the objects used in the examples are no longer used but thats not to big of a problem.. some of the most interesting examples are of the RTC lib. very informative.. i
    • Sep 03 2007 | 7:44 pm
      is it worth for teaching, for students? (to focus this thread, i am intererested in Frank Blum's book on digital interactive installations, which is indeed a thesis. see summary on https://www.diplom.de/db/diplomarbeiten10284.html )
      >Quote: pixelmechanic wrote on Sat, 01 September 2007 07:07 >---------------------------------------------------- >> As an alternative, this might be worth a look... >> >> "Digital Interactive Installations: Programming Interactive >>Installations Using the Software Package Max/MSP/Jitter" by Frank >>Blum >> >> You can find it at Amazon... >> >> Don't know how good it is yet... my copy is in the post. >> >> Cheers >> >> Jules >---------------------------------------------------- > >I was pretty disappointed with this book. Yes, it's a thesis, it's >88 pages and very expensive. > >mz > > >-- >|| michael f. zbyszynski -- molecular gastronimist >|| http://www.cnmat.berkeley.edu/ >|| http://www.mikezed.com/ > > > > >
      -- Yves Bernard yb@imal.org asbl iMAL vzw 30-34 Quai des Charbonnages 1080 Bruxelles/Brussel tel 32 2 410 30 93
    • Sep 03 2007 | 8:01 pm
      Hi Yves-
      Yes, I was expressing my disappointment in the Blum book. It is an outline of how he did his thesis installation; not a general text on installations.
      Not worth it for anything, IMHO. See if you can borrow a copy.
      mz
      Quote: Yves Bernard wrote on Mon, 03 September 2007 12:44 ---------------------------------------------------- > is it worth for teaching, for students? > (to focus this thread, i am intererested in Frank Blum's book on > digital interactive installations, which is indeed a thesis. > see summary on https://www.diplom.de/db/diplomarbeiten10284.html ) > > > >Quote: pixelmechanic wrote on Sat, 01 September 2007 07:07 > >---------------------------------------------------- > >> As an alternative, this might be worth a look... > >> > >> "Digital Interactive Installations: Programming Interactive > >>Installations Using the Software Package Max/MSP/Jitter" by Frank > >>Blum > >>
      ...
      -- > > > >I was pretty disappointed with this book.
      ...
    • Sep 04 2007 | 8:42 pm
      Yves Bernard schrieb: > (to focus this thread, i am intererested in Frank Blum's book on digital > interactive installations, which is indeed a thesis. > see summary on https://www.diplom.de/db/diplomarbeiten10284.html )
      I am sure he would sell more than 4 times as many if the price would be 10 Euros for the downloadable copy...
      Stefan
      -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com
    • Sep 05 2007 | 7:48 pm
      Note to self: read the amazon descriptions more closely next time! Particularly number of pages...
      Haven't been back to this thread for a few days... was very disappointed when the very slim book arrived this morning.
      If anyone wants to read my masters thesis which looked at interactions using javascript and lcd object, you can do so for free at:
      and maybe look at this thread too...
      Cheers
      Jules
      > >Quote: pixelmechanic wrote on Sat, 01 September 2007 07:07 > >---------------------------------------------------- > >> As an alternative, this might be worth a look... > >> > >> "Digital Interactive Installations: Programming Interactive > >>Installations Using the Software Package Max/MSP/Jitter" by Frank > >>Blum > >>
    • Dec 16 2012 | 9:29 pm
      Hi everyone,
      I just joined the Cycling 74 forums to post in this thread. I bought Winkler's book used, and it did not come with the CD ROM. I was excited to see this thread, of course: ) Would someone possibly be able to send me the contents of the CD ROM? My email is tommyecho@gmail.com.
      Thanks!
      Tom
    • Dec 16 2012 | 9:36 pm
      Sent.
    • Jan 15 2015 | 7:57 pm
      Hello Stringtapper, I just wondered if you still have the Winkler's book CD-ROM. I would appreciated it if you could email it to me too. Thanks!
      My email is alejocharpentier1@gmail.com
      Regards, Alejo
    • Mar 02 2015 | 3:40 pm
      Hi everyone! I realize this is an old thread but I own a copy of Todd Winkler's book and it has a broken CD. In case anyone is still around and its not too much trouble; can someone send me a copy of the example MAX patches as well? I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks in advance.
      Xavier
    • Mar 03 2015 | 4:06 pm
      Sent (again!).
    • Apr 16 2015 | 6:59 pm
      Hi forum
      Place for another one? Bought the book in second hand and it has no CD Can you send me the patches please? Many thanks
      My email: luis.aly@gmail.com
      Creative regards
      Luis
    • Mar 15 2016 | 3:39 am
      Hey
      Same thing happened to me if anyone still has the CD online floating in their cloud. Would be greatly appreciated!
      Email is tristangiardini@gmail.com
      Best,
      Tristan
    • Mar 25 2017 | 2:49 pm
      Hi, I also got the book with no cd. If anyone still has the CD online floating in their cloud and kind enough to share, I would really appreciate it.
      email is: alf0975@hotmail.com
      Cheers
    • Mar 26 2017 | 2:52 pm
      @ALFONSO PISANELLI Tried to send the email with the contents but I got a delivery message error. Alternative email?
      Best
      Luís