Todd Winkler's Book


    Aug 30 2007 | 8:05 pm
    Hey All,
    Quick question. I just bought Todd Winkler's book off Amazon
    (Composing Interactive Music: Techniques and Ideas Using Max), but it
    didn't come with the included CD-Rom. For anyone that has read the
    book, is the CD extremely important, or is it just a quicker way to
    work through examples? Also, does anyone know where I might be able
    to score a copy of it? I have tried contacting the vendor who sold it
    to me, but they haven't been much help. Thanks in advance, and thanks
    for all the great information included within these threads. They
    have been extremely valuable in my projects and study.
    --
    Ryan Billia
    www.ryanbillia.com

    • Aug 30 2007 | 8:25 pm
      I have the book with the CD; I haven't got round to reading it yet, so I
      can't really answer your first question, but I could probably get a copy of
      the CD's content to you - hailing as it does from System 7 days, the entire
      thing weighs in at around 10MB!
      Cheers
      Roger
      On 30/8/07 21:05, "Ryan Billia" wrote:
      > Hey All,
      >
      > Quick question. I just bought Todd Winkler's book off Amazon
      > (Composing Interactive Music: Techniques and Ideas Using Max), but it
      > didn't come with the included CD-Rom. For anyone that has read the
      > book, is the CD extremely important, or is it just a quicker way to
      > work through examples? Also, does anyone know where I might be able
      > to score a copy of it? I have tried contacting the vendor who sold it
      > to me, but they haven't been much help. Thanks in advance, and thanks
      > for all the great information included within these threads. They
      > have been extremely valuable in my projects and study.
    • Aug 30 2007 | 8:40 pm
      Ah, that would be fantastic. Maybe you could "yousendit" to me if
      possible, otherwise any other option is fine too. Thank you very
      much.
      On 8/30/07, Roger Carruthers wrote:
      > I have the book with the CD; I haven't got round to reading it yet, so I
      > can't really answer your first question, but I could probably get a copy of
      > the CD's content to you - hailing as it does from System 7 days, the entire
      > thing weighs in at around 10MB!
      > Cheers
      > Roger
      >
      >
      > On 30/8/07 21:05, "Ryan Billia" wrote:
      >
      > > Hey All,
      > >
      > > Quick question. I just bought Todd Winkler's book off Amazon
      > > (Composing Interactive Music: Techniques and Ideas Using Max), but it
      > > didn't come with the included CD-Rom. For anyone that has read the
      > > book, is the CD extremely important, or is it just a quicker way to
      > > work through examples? Also, does anyone know where I might be able
      > > to score a copy of it? I have tried contacting the vendor who sold it
      > > to me, but they haven't been much help. Thanks in advance, and thanks
      > > for all the great information included within these threads. They
      > > have been extremely valuable in my projects and study.
      >
      >
      >
      --
      Ryan Billia
      www.ryanbillia.com
    • Aug 30 2007 | 8:43 pm
      Im on a phone
      Sorry
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      -----Original Message-----
      From: "Ryan Billia"
      Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:05:03
      Subject: [maxmsp] Todd Winkler's Book
      Hey All,
      Quick question. I just bought Todd Winkler's book off Amazon
      (Composing Interactive Music: Techniques and Ideas Using Max), but it
      didn't come with the included CD-Rom. For anyone that has read the
      book, is the CD extremely important, or is it just a quicker way to
      work through examples? Also, does anyone know where I might be able
      to score a copy of it? I have tried contacting the vendor who sold it
      to me, but they haven't been much help. Thanks in advance, and thanks
      for all the great information included within these threads. They
      have been extremely valuable in my projects and study.
      --
      Ryan Billia
      www.ryanbillia.com
    • Aug 30 2007 | 8:49 pm
      Disregard that last message
      My apologies
      Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
      -----Original Message-----
      From: Roger Carruthers
      Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:25:03
      To:Max list
      Subject: Re: [maxmsp] Todd Winkler's Book
      I have the book with the CD; I haven't got round to reading it yet, so I
      can't really answer your first question, but I could probably get a copy of
      the CD's content to you - hailing as it does from System 7 days, the entire
      thing weighs in at around 10MB!
      Cheers
      Roger
      On 30/8/07 21:05, "Ryan Billia" wrote:
      > Hey All,
      >
      > Quick question. I just bought Todd Winkler's book off Amazon
      > (Composing Interactive Music: Techniques and Ideas Using Max), but it
      > didn't come with the included CD-Rom. For anyone that has read the
      > book, is the CD extremely important, or is it just a quicker way to
      > work through examples? Also, does anyone know where I might be able
      > to score a copy of it? I have tried contacting the vendor who sold it
      > to me, but they haven't been much help. Thanks in advance, and thanks
      > for all the great information included within these threads. They
      > have been extremely valuable in my projects and study.
    • Aug 30 2007 | 8:59 pm
      I've used the book to teach Max/MSP for a while, and I greatly
      recommend getting the CD-ROM - pretty much all the examples from the
      book are there - no need to code them up yourself. It also includes
      some other things which may or may not be useful, but the examples
      themselves are very helpful in turning the knowledge into experience.
      On Aug 30, 2007, at 2:05 PM, Ryan Billia wrote:
      > Quick question. I just bought Todd Winkler's book off Amazon
      > (Composing Interactive Music: Techniques and Ideas Using Max), but it
      > didn't come with the included CD-Rom. For anyone that has read the
      > book, is the CD extremely important, or is it just a quicker way to
      > work through examples? Also, does anyone know where I might be able
      > to score a copy of it? I have tried contacting the vendor who sold it
      > to me, but they haven't been much help. Thanks in advance, and thanks
      > for all the great information included within these threads. They
      > have been extremely valuable in my projects and study.
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      College of Santa Fe
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    • Aug 30 2007 | 9:11 pm
      hi,
      looked at your web site - interesting stuff. Where do you work on this?
      ron
      Ryan Billia wrote: Hey All,
      Quick question. I just bought Todd Winkler's book off Amazon
      (Composing Interactive Music: Techniques and Ideas Using Max), but it
      didn't come with the included CD-Rom. For anyone that has read the
      book, is the CD extremely important, or is it just a quicker way to
      work through examples? Also, does anyone know where I might be able
      to score a copy of it? I have tried contacting the vendor who sold it
      to me, but they haven't been much help. Thanks in advance, and thanks
      for all the great information included within these threads. They
      have been extremely valuable in my projects and study.
      --
      Ryan Billia
      www.ryanbillia.com
    • Aug 30 2007 | 9:31 pm
      I read through the entire book without loading up the CD-ROM examples at all... but I was looking for more theoretical knowledge rather than specific implementation ideas. So I guess what I'm saying is... it all depends on what you're looking to get out of it.
      That being said... I have the CD at home and I'd be happy to send you the contents later tonight if you'd like them.
      /dan
      Quote: rbillia wrote on Thu, 30 August 2007 14:05
      ----------------------------------------------------
      > Hey All,
      >
      > Quick question. I just bought Todd Winkler's book off Amazon
      > (Composing Interactive Music: Techniques and Ideas Using Max), but it
      > didn't come with the included CD-Rom. For anyone that has read the
      > book, is the CD extremely important, or is it just a quicker way to
      > work through examples? Also, does anyone know where I might be able
      > to score a copy of it? I have tried contacting the vendor who sold it
      > to me, but they haven't been much help. Thanks in advance, and thanks
      > for all the great information included within these threads. They
      > have been extremely valuable in my projects and study.
      >
      > --
      > Ryan Billia
      > www.ryanbillia.com
      >
      ----------------------------------------------------
    • Aug 30 2007 | 9:53 pm
      Dan, that would be great. Roger above said he would do the same, so
      either one would be great. I am also more interested in the
      theoretical stuff within the book, but being able to access the info
      digitally would be great as well. I was told the contents only
      equalled about 10 MB, so if it is easier to zip it and send it via
      "yousendit" that is fine or any other way is fine as well. My direct
      email is rbillia@gmail.com. Thank you very much for offering to send
      it out.
      Also, to Ron, thank you for checking out my site. I am based out of
      NY. My site needs to be updated, most of that work is about 6 months
      to a year old, and there is quite a bit of new stuff I am working on.
      I am always interesting in checking into other's work as well as
      discussing techniques and ideas, please feel free to pass on any
      comments or links to your work. Thank you all for getting back so
      quickly. Hopefully soon, my question will be more geared towards
      specific Max issues.
      On 8/30/07, Dan wrote:
      >
      > I read through the entire book without loading up the CD-ROM examples at all... but I was looking for more theoretical knowledge rather than specific implementation ideas. So I guess what I'm saying is... it all depends on what you're looking to get out of it.
      >
      > That being said... I have the CD at home and I'd be happy to send you the contents later tonight if you'd like them.
      >
      > /dan
      >
      >
      > Quote: rbillia wrote on Thu, 30 August 2007 14:05
      > ----------------------------------------------------
      > > Hey All,
      > >
      > > Quick question. I just bought Todd Winkler's book off Amazon
      > > (Composing Interactive Music: Techniques and Ideas Using Max), but it
      > > didn't come with the included CD-Rom. For anyone that has read the
      > > book, is the CD extremely important, or is it just a quicker way to
      > > work through examples? Also, does anyone know where I might be able
      > > to score a copy of it? I have tried contacting the vendor who sold it
      > > to me, but they haven't been much help. Thanks in advance, and thanks
      > > for all the great information included within these threads. They
      > > have been extremely valuable in my projects and study.
      > >
      > > --
      > > Ryan Billia
      > > www.ryanbillia.com
      > >
      > ----------------------------------------------------
      >
      >
      >
      --
      Ryan Billia
      www.ryanbillia.com
    • Aug 30 2007 | 10:08 pm
      Sure thing... I'm on the west coast so I won't be home from work for another 6 hours or so. Look for it sometime late tonight.
      /dan
      Quote: rbillia wrote on Thu, 30 August 2007 15:53
      ----------------------------------------------------
      > Dan, that would be great. Roger above said he would do the same, so
      > either one would be great. I am also more interested in the
      > theoretical stuff within the book, but being able to access the info
      > digitally would be great as well. I was told the contents only
      > equalled about 10 MB, so if it is easier to zip it and send it via
      > "yousendit" that is fine or any other way is fine as well. My direct
      > email is rbillia@gmail.com. Thank you very much for offering to send
      > it out.
      > Ryan Billia
      > www.ryanbillia.com
      >
      ----------------------------------------------------
    • Aug 31 2007 | 8:15 am
      the cd contains the patches used in the book. the patches and
      processes in the book are well documented so the cd isn't that
      important, since it's mainly patches it would be not much work to
      send them somewhere if you want them.
      just ask me and will be more then happy to send it to you, but the
      book is at my school which I'll visit tomorrow
      grtz
      On 30 Aug 2007, at 22:25, Roger Carruthers wrote:
      > I have the book with the CD; I haven't got round to reading it yet,
      > so I
      > can't really answer your first question, but I could probably get a
      > copy of
      > the CD's content to you - hailing as it does from System 7 days,
      > the entire
      > thing weighs in at around 10MB!
      > Cheers
      > Roger
      >
      >
      > On 30/8/07 21:05, "Ryan Billia" wrote:
      >
      >> Hey All,
      >>
      >> Quick question. I just bought Todd Winkler's book off Amazon
      >> (Composing Interactive Music: Techniques and Ideas Using Max), but it
      >> didn't come with the included CD-Rom. For anyone that has read the
      >> book, is the CD extremely important, or is it just a quicker way to
      >> work through examples? Also, does anyone know where I might be able
      >> to score a copy of it? I have tried contacting the vendor who
      >> sold it
      >> to me, but they haven't been much help. Thanks in advance, and
      >> thanks
      >> for all the great information included within these threads. They
      >> have been extremely valuable in my projects and study.
      >
      >
      >
    • Aug 31 2007 | 1:16 pm
      I have the book also. If you require the contents of the cd I can ftp over to you if you like.
      mark pilkington
    • Aug 31 2007 | 2:39 pm
      Thank you all very much. I actually received a few "yousendit" files
      last night, so I am all good with them. It is amazing how friendly
      and helpful MAXers are.
      On 8/31/07, mark pilkington wrote:
      >
      > I have the book also. If you require the contents of the cd I can ftp over to you if you like.
      >
      > mark pilkington
      >
      --
      Ryan Billia
      www.ryanbillia.com
    • Sep 01 2007 | 1:05 am
      Just wondering, is this a good book? Wouldn't mind some reading material.
    • Sep 01 2007 | 2:15 am
      the book is a good introduction to max as an interactive midi device. It does mention msp slightly as the end of the book only because the book was published just as msp was being introduced. I picked up couple of tips from this book a few years ago when i was reading it. Definately borrow from the local library and give it a read.
      cheers
      mark p
    • Sep 01 2007 | 2:07 pm
      As an alternative, this might be worth a look...
      "Digital Interactive Installations: Programming Interactive Installations Using the Software Package Max/MSP/Jitter" by Frank Blum
      You can find it at Amazon...
      Don't know how good it is yet... my copy is in the post.
      Cheers
      Jules
    • Sep 02 2007 | 7:35 pm
      do say how the book is when you get it.
      it looks like a very interesting topic
      but the description makes it seems like this guy's thesis, which generally dont make for good reads.
      its also only 88pages, and expensive..
    • Sep 02 2007 | 8:31 pm
      Quote: pixelmechanic wrote on Sat, 01 September 2007 07:07
      ----------------------------------------------------
      > As an alternative, this might be worth a look...
      >
      > "Digital Interactive Installations: Programming Interactive Installations Using the Software Package Max/MSP/Jitter" by Frank Blum
      >
      > You can find it at Amazon...
      >
      > Don't know how good it is yet... my copy is in the post.
      >
      > Cheers
      >
      > Jules
      ----------------------------------------------------
      I was pretty disappointed with this book. Yes, it's a thesis, it's 88 pages and very expensive.
      mz
    • Sep 03 2007 | 7:23 am
      I have started to distribute the Cosmos application (for OSX). You
      can find it on
      www.sonic-disorder.com
      best
      Sinan Bokesoy
    • Sep 03 2007 | 8:31 am
      Can someone tell me if there is a Inftrared or
      bluetooth food pedal with at least 4 pedals tthat
      will work with MAX?
      thank you
      Anya
      Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search
      that gives answers, not web links.
    • Sep 03 2007 | 3:15 pm
      Well, I know m-audio makes a wireless MIDI interface. You
      could plug what ever device you wanted into it. As far as foot
      controllers go, I recommend the Berringer FCB1010.
    • Sep 03 2007 | 3:32 pm
      >
      > I was pretty disappointed with this book. Yes, it's a thesis, it's
      > 88 pages and very expensive.
      >
      This may be so, but it does contain some interesting approaches to
      interactive music - pitch and rhythm analysis, musical gestures, etc.
      and offers a framework for interactive computer music theory. There
      are some very interesting biases in the book, assumptions about how
      people listen to and enjoy music that are worth thinking about.
      Useful as a historical document, it reminds one how much can be done
      with MIDI alone, its limitations, etc. something it seems many have
      forgotten, or choose to ignore.
      Personally I borrowed the book from the library [yes, for FREE!] and
      read it without the CD examples. I searched around online for the
      examples and found nothing, so am pleased to see this thread. It
      would be brilliant if someone who had these on their computer could
      post some of them here so others may find them, and to rescue them
      from the System 7 graveyard.
      It is true the patches are shown in the book, but due to
      encapsulation and beautifully drawn segmented, overlapping, ambiguous
      patch cords, it would be immensely difficult to reconstruct the
      patches from the illustrations.
      Would a kind person who has the examples be able to post them? If
      not, could someone send them to me as well? They are definitely worth
      studying and should be part of the archive of this forum.
      DLBond
      alternate tuning system
      tune out. turn off. drop in.
      dlbond@mts.net
    • Sep 03 2007 | 4:28 pm
    • Sep 03 2007 | 6:58 pm
      i just bought the book as well.. i'm really liking it. it also came with the CD.. some of the objects used in the examples are no longer used but thats not to big of a problem.. some of the most interesting examples are of the RTC lib. very informative.. i
    • Sep 03 2007 | 7:44 pm
      is it worth for teaching, for students?
      (to focus this thread, i am intererested in Frank Blum's book on
      digital interactive installations, which is indeed a thesis.
      >Quote: pixelmechanic wrote on Sat, 01 September 2007 07:07
      >----------------------------------------------------
      >> As an alternative, this might be worth a look...
      >>
      >> "Digital Interactive Installations: Programming Interactive
      >>Installations Using the Software Package Max/MSP/Jitter" by Frank
      >>Blum
      >>
      >> You can find it at Amazon...
      >>
      >> Don't know how good it is yet... my copy is in the post.
      >>
      >> Cheers
      >>
      >> Jules
      >----------------------------------------------------
      >
      >I was pretty disappointed with this book. Yes, it's a thesis, it's
      >88 pages and very expensive.
      >
      >mz
      >
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    • Sep 03 2007 | 8:01 pm
      Hi Yves-
      Yes, I was expressing my disappointment in the Blum book. It is an outline of how he did his thesis installation; not a general text on installations.
      Not worth it for anything, IMHO. See if you can borrow a copy.
      mz
      Quote: Yves Bernard wrote on Mon, 03 September 2007 12:44
      ----------------------------------------------------
      > is it worth for teaching, for students?
      > (to focus this thread, i am intererested in Frank Blum's book on
      > digital interactive installations, which is indeed a thesis.
      > see summary on https://www.diplom.de/db/diplomarbeiten10284.html )
      >
      >
      > >Quote: pixelmechanic wrote on Sat, 01 September 2007 07:07
      > >----------------------------------------------------
      > >> As an alternative, this might be worth a look...
      > >>
      > >> "Digital Interactive Installations: Programming Interactive
      > >>Installations Using the Software Package Max/MSP/Jitter" by Frank
      > >>Blum
      > >>
      ...
      --
      > >
      > >I was pretty disappointed with this book.
      ...
    • Sep 04 2007 | 8:42 pm
      Yves Bernard schrieb:
      > (to focus this thread, i am intererested in Frank Blum's book on digital
      > interactive installations, which is indeed a thesis.
      I am sure he would sell more than 4 times as many if the price would be
      10 Euros for the downloadable copy...
      Stefan
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    • Sep 05 2007 | 7:48 pm
      Note to self: read the amazon descriptions more closely next time! Particularly number of pages...
      Haven't been back to this thread for a few days... was very disappointed when the very slim book arrived this morning.
      If anyone wants to read my masters thesis which looked at interactions using javascript and lcd object, you can do so for free at:
      and maybe look at this thread too...
      Cheers
      Jules
      > >Quote: pixelmechanic wrote on Sat, 01 September 2007 07:07
      > >----------------------------------------------------
      > >> As an alternative, this might be worth a look...
      > >>
      > >> "Digital Interactive Installations: Programming Interactive
      > >>Installations Using the Software Package Max/MSP/Jitter" by Frank
      > >>Blum
      > >>
    • Dec 16 2012 | 9:29 pm
      Hi everyone,
      I just joined the Cycling 74 forums to post in this thread. I bought Winkler's book used, and it did not come with the CD ROM. I was excited to see this thread, of course: ) Would someone possibly be able to send me the contents of the CD ROM? My email is tommyecho@gmail.com.
      Thanks!
      Tom
    • Dec 16 2012 | 9:36 pm
      Sent.
    • Jan 15 2015 | 7:57 pm
      Hello Stringtapper, I just wondered if you still have the Winkler's book CD-ROM. I would appreciated it if you could email it to me too. Thanks!
      My email is alejocharpentier1@gmail.com
      Regards,
      Alejo
    • Mar 02 2015 | 3:40 pm
      Hi everyone!
      I realize this is an old thread but I own a copy of Todd Winkler's book and it has a broken CD. In case anyone is still around and its not too much trouble; can someone send me a copy of the example MAX patches as well? I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks in advance.
      Xavier
    • Mar 03 2015 | 4:06 pm
      Sent (again!).
    • Apr 16 2015 | 6:59 pm
      Hi forum
      Place for another one? Bought the book in second hand and it has no CD
      Can you send me the patches please? Many thanks
      My email: luis.aly@gmail.com
      Creative regards
      Luis
    • Mar 15 2016 | 3:39 am
      Hey
      Same thing happened to me if anyone still has the CD online floating in their cloud. Would be greatly appreciated!
      Email is tristangiardini@gmail.com
      Best,
      Tristan
    • Mar 25 2017 | 2:49 pm
      Hi,
      I also got the book with no cd. If anyone still has the CD online floating in their cloud and kind enough to share, I would really appreciate it.
      email is: alf0975@hotmail.com
      Cheers
    • Mar 26 2017 | 2:52 pm
      @ALFONSO PISANELLI
      Tried to send the email with the contents but I got a delivery message error. Alternative email?
      Best
      Luís