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Discussing the world's fate recently we decided to organize the event for Max/MSP and PureData

enthusiasts to exchange the experience. Being a big fans of trackers (particularly Renoise)

we very well familiar with tracker contest tradition, when a group of people make music together

from one little sample pack or with another limitations (for example with a tabu on certain tracker features).

This is a great way to exchange experience, but we don't like the competition basis of such events, as it

really hurts true fun in our opinion. Thus, we came up with the idea of the uncontest (you can draw the analogy with unconference)

where participants' works are not evaluated, but instead published online in the form of screencast or mix.

To participate in the uncontest, you just need to create a patch in Max/MSP or PureData and send it to us.

we decided to introduce the following limitations on patches:

If you wonder what such patch can look like, check out this video from one of organizers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7nyCQFvez0

Please pack your patch (with samples if used) to a 

 archive and send it to the following email: pattr [doggy] oscii [dot] ru

http://pattr.ru/uncontest/01.html#english

Discussing the world's fate recently we decided to organize the event for Max/MSP and PureData
enthusiasts to exchange the experience. Being a big fans of trackers (particularly Renoise)
we very well familiar with tracker contest tradition, when a group of people make music together
from one little sample pack or with another limitations (for example with a tabu on certain tracker features).
This is a great way to exchange experience, but we don't like the competition basis of such events, as it
really hurts true fun in our opinion. Thus, we came up with the idea of the uncontest (you can draw the analogy with unconference)
where participants' works are not evaluated, but instead published online in the form of screencast or mix.

To participate in the uncontest, you just need to create a patch in Max/MSP or PureData and send it to us.
Being inspired by the Music from very short programs
we decided to introduce the following limitations on patches:

You should make one patch that will generate sound or music.

You can use any library provided that it is accessible online.

You can use any abstractions which comes with Max/Pd.

You can use samples if their length are less than 1 second.

Number of used objects should be less than 20.


Those include all objects like message, ezdac, UI objects,
        abstractions, but not comments.

Each operator in gen~ counts like a regular object.

If you want to use FTM, then you are limited to the 10 objects total
        (because you can do a lot of complex things just with one ftm.mess.

The following objects are not allowed to use: codebox, js, mxj.

To keep things minimalistic bpatchers (including BEAP, etc.) are not allowed.

If you wonder what such patch can look like, check out this video from one of organizers:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7nyCQFvez0.

Please pack your patch (with samples if used) to a zip archive and send it to the following email: pattr [doggy] oscii [dot] ru

Link to this information: http://pattr.ru/uncontest/01.html#english.

1st-maxpd-uncontest

i love this :D hope to see good things coming out of it !

question though. Does one beap module count as one object, or one module already more than 20...?

i love this :D hope to see good things coming out of it !
question though. Does one beap module count as one object, or one module already more than 20...?


Oh, we didn't think about BEAP and such stuff. I think, to keep things minimal, we should avoid BEAP. I'll add corrections to the info, thanks!

haha, yes! (and i like the cc license you chose)

you guys run a very respectable uncontest :D

just curious, though, where will things be published 'in the form of screencast or mix'?

i mean, where will i go to see the full result at the end of deadline and how long will it remain up there?

haha, yes! (and i like the cc license you chose)
you guys run a very respectable uncontest :D

just curious, though, where will things be published 'in the form of screencast or mix'?
i mean, where will i go to see the full result at the end of deadline and how long will it remain up there?


I think we'll stick to a screencast format and will publish it at youtube, and it'll be there forever :) Of course, zip archive with all patches will be there too, on the archive.org for the time being.

I like this idea a lot, but the length of the sample should be stated in the number of samples like: less than 44100 samples in stead of seconds

otherwise one could use a 192khz32bit sample and simply play it at lower speeds, not that i would care if someone does, but the rules are not clear here

greetings,
I like this idea a lot, but the length of the sample should be stated in the number of samples like: less than 44100 samples in stead of seconds
otherwise one could use a 192khz32bit sample and simply play it at lower speeds, not that i would care if someone does, but the rules are not clear here


I see the thinking of hacker here :) The rules were intentionally made loose, as we were trying to follow the strategy “allow as much as possible” and not “forbid everything”. Just imagine the list of rules which takes into account all possible caveats in Max!

I think it is OK if someone will find their own interpretation of rules that would formally fit in… or maybe will create hacks around them ;)

I see the thinking of hacker here :) The rules were intentionally made loose, as we were trying to follow the strategy “allow as much as possible” and not “forbid everything”. Just imagine the list of rules which takes into account all possible caveats in Max!
I think it is OK if someone will find their own interpretation of rules that would formally fit in… or maybe will create hacks around them ;)


Hi. I don't quite understand the submission email. What's [doggy]? Is that @?

tell me to get lost; or tell me how to approach the following in Max (your links took me there):

http://wurstcaptures.untergrund.net/music/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlrs2Vorw2Y

Hi
tell me to get lost; or tell me how to approach the following in Max (your links took me there):

http://wurstcaptures.untergrund.net/music/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlrs2Vorw2Y

^Brendan makes a good point. The one-liners found in the viznut videos might require a coding language(because max/msp(& pd?) don't do bitwise stuff at the sample-level, aside from just the '&&' and '||' ops in gen~(but still, no '|' or '&' and definitely no '<>' at the sample-level)). Maybe 3rd party externals?

(Seen those videos years ago on the SuperCollider forums, extra easy in SC :D)

I think, though, that OSCII is just referring to those one-liners as an example of conciseness.

^Brendan makes a good point. The one-liners found in the viznut videos might require a coding language(because max/msp(& pd?) don't do bitwise stuff at the sample-level, aside from just the '&&' and '||'  ops in gen~(but still, no '|' or '&' and definitely no '<>' at the sample-level)). Maybe 3rd party externals?
(Seen those videos years ago on the SuperCollider forums, extra easy in SC :D) 

I think, though, that OSCII is just referring to those one-liners as an example of conciseness.


Yes, it is “@”. In Russia we refer to this symbol as “dog” or “doggy” :)

I think @Raja just answered the question better that I could possibly did it. Those one-liners were just an inspiration to introduce such limitations.

@Joel
Yes, it is “@”. In Russia we refer to this symbol as “dog” or “doggy” :)

@Brendan
I think @Raja just answered the question better that I could possibly did it. Those one-liners were just an inspiration to introduce such limitations.


I should explain: I was very intrigued by the 'Reich-esque' musical output of those examples - simple input generating phasing/overlapping output. In response to the OP (and for other artistic reasons) I have been experimenting with the [rand~] object in Max, and I am hoping to submit a patch for this highly attractive uncontest. And as raja (and others) may attest, my maths chops aren't what they should be. Wouldn't know where to begin with bitshifting in gen LOL. So, while I absolutely take your points about those examples referring only to concision and economy, I would love to be able to generate such interesting structures using minimal "code". Such simple code is very very sexy, is it not?

I would guess that the key element in those examples is how the PCM synth responds to the putchar output? Is that just ascii code?? n00b!

FWIW, I'm tinkering with quantized modulator FM.

I should explain: I was very intrigued by the 'Reich-esque' musical output of those examples - simple input generating phasing/overlapping output. In response to the OP (and for other artistic reasons) I have been experimenting with the [rand~] object in Max, and I am hoping to submit a patch for this highly attractive uncontest. And as raja (and others) may attest, my maths chops aren't what they should be. Wouldn't know where to begin with bitshifting in gen LOL. So, while I absolutely take your points about those examples referring only to concision and economy, I would love to be able to generate such interesting structures using minimal "code". Such simple code is very very sexy, is it not?
I would guess that the key element in those examples is how the PCM synth responds to the putchar output? Is that just ascii code?? n00b!

And as raja (and others) may attest, my maths chops aren’t what they should be. Wouldn’t know where to begin with bitshifting in gen LOL.

(nah, i couldn't attest to anything like that about you, Brendan. i'm clueless about where to begin with bitshifting in gen, too(other than the gen examps that bit-reduce in a not-so-one-liner way, which i'd then need to translate to 'shifting' in some way))

...but if you don't focus on the exact math in the one-liners in that video, there's much you can do in gen~ just playing with different styles of feedback into the 'history' op... and gen~'s

'expr' op isn't quite the same as 'codebox' so i assume you can use 'expr' in gen~(similarly in pd there's expr~ as the OP's other video shows)

I would love to be able to generate such interesting structures using minimal "code". Such simple code is very very sexy, is it not?

There are no cock, balls, or vagina to digitz! >8D

...but yes, i find it attractive too(from my own 'i wish i could control the universe from my small corner of the earth' standpoint).

Minimal code like that requires coding(it's part of the genius of the coding language itself, too)

...but in terms of this max/pd uncontest, if you're looking for inspiration with how to be concise there in the more visual/non-code environ, you could (re)look at live-coding videos on youtube, the live-coders often start with the most minimal but open-ended ideas that can lead to the widest range of control.

(nah, i couldn't attest to anything like that about you, Brendan. i'm clueless about where to begin with bitshifting in gen, too(other than the gen examps that bit-reduce in a not-so-one-liner way, which i'd then need to translate to 'shifting' in some way))
...but if you don't focus on the exact math in the one-liners in that video, there's much you can do in gen~ just playing with different styles of feedback into the 'history' op... and gen~'s
'expr' op isn't quite the same as 'codebox' so i assume you can use 'expr' in gen~(similarly in pd there's expr~ as the OP's other video shows)

There are no cock, balls, or vagina to digitz! >8D
...but yes, i find it attractive too(from my own 'i wish i could control the universe from my small corner of the earth' standpoint).

Minimal code like that requires coding(it's part of the genius of the coding language itself, too)
...but in terms of this max/pd uncontest, if you're looking for inspiration with how to be concise there in the more visual/non-code environ, you could (re)look at live-coding videos on youtube, the live-coders often start with the most minimal but open-ended ideas that can lead to the widest range of control.


Yeah, I kinda got the live-coding 'subtext' vibe from the OP too, although it's very much not explicit; again, very attractive stuff. I briefly went off on a 'C-code meets chiptune Nintendo' vibe for a while there. Minimalism isn't dead yet ? I'm clearly tentative about contributing to something with very loosely defined artistic parameters. Shit, or get off the pot, right? Or as Zappa says - shut up and play your guitar!

I already have 10 patches, and they're keep coming. That's really inspiring, thank you all!

Btw, I have an idea in mind, I'm curious what do you think about it. I have a page at the vk.com (Russian social network, 

 and I'm thinking of ways how to motivate Russian folks to do something, as Russians are very closed and usually not eager to participate in whatever. So with my friend we came up with the idea to write a post stating that everyone who will not participate in the Uncontest will be banned from the community (about 800 persons).

Folks, you are amazing!
I already have 10 patches, and they're keep coming. That's really inspiring, thank you all!

Btw, I have an idea in mind, I'm curious what do you think about it. I have a page at the vk.com (Russian social network, http://vk.com/pattr) and I'm thinking of ways how to motivate Russian folks to do something, as Russians are very closed and usually not eager to participate in whatever. So with my friend we came up with the idea to write a post stating that everyone who will not participate in the Uncontest will be banned from the community (about 800 persons).

I don't believe in penalties. Art to me is optional and beautiful and I wouldn't add a compulsory element to it. YMMV.

as Russians are very closed and usually not eager to participate in whatever

that's what makes them look so cool, badass, and scary to the rest of the world >8D

So with my friend we came up with the idea to write a post stating that everyone who will not participate in the Uncontest will be banned from the community (about 800 persons).

HAHAHAHA! sounds like an idea i'd come up with: which means it's a bad idea ;)

(you want to go with something less finite, still opinionated, but doesn't actually do anything in the long run like stating "anyone who will not participate in the Uncontest is a traitor to mother Russia!" ....or "everyone who will participate shall be gifted 'enlightenment' for free(restrictions may apply in certain mindsets)"....)

HAHAHAHA! sounds like an idea i'd come up with: which means it's a bad idea ;)
(you want to go with something less finite, still opinionated, but doesn't actually do anything in the long run like stating "anyone who will not participate in the Uncontest is a traitor to mother Russia!" ....or "everyone who will participate shall be gifted 'enlightenment' for free(restrictions may apply in certain mindsets)"....)


Of course this is mostly a joke, but you have a good point indeed. They could become even more closed :) I think I just ran out of ideas of how to motivate this public, they seem so inert as opposed to folks on this forum or on the fb max page.

@hz37
Of course this is mostly a joke, but you have a good point indeed. They could become even more closed :) I think I just ran out of ideas of how to motivate this public, they seem so inert as opposed to folks on this forum or on the fb max page.


In fact I was counting on their sense of humor and not planned to ban them :)

I think I need to meditate on this idea harder :)

@Raja
In fact I was counting on their sense of humor and not planned to ban them :)
I think I need to meditate on this idea harder :)


(no you're probably right, you know their sense of humor better than me... i's also just being my own kinda humorous :D)

they seem so inert as opposed to folks on this forum or on the fb max page

the forums and fb are not 'real life' therefore don't count in certain more important ways.

do what you feel is best for all types of folks considered :)

(edit - an idea: try throwing some type of live-event there where you are(live-coding, patch-demonstrations, etc.) to coincide with this)

(no you're probably right, you know their sense of humor better than me... i's also just being my own kinda humorous  :D)

 they seem so inert as opposed to folks on this forum or on the fb max page

the forums and fb are not 'real life' therefore don't count in certain more important ways.
do what you feel is best for all types of folks considered :)
(edit - an idea: try throwing some type of live-event there where you are(live-coding, patch-demonstrations, etc.) to coincide with this)


Maybe offer free vodka to the top 100 entries? (another Russia stereotype).

The Uncontest is over and you can check all submissions on the YouTube: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48xwyVQlgI8

The Uncontest is over and you can check all submissions on the YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48xwyVQlgI8
All patches are on the Archive.org: https://archive.org/details/uncontest

oooow i completely let that slide past :((

awww crap, i didn't realize you'd publicize all our private email-addresses in the video like that. any chance you'd be willing to remove my email address? (i guess lesson learned: never trust russians :D, hahahaha, just kidding, but ya, it's also my fault for trusting you with my main email address and not sending you my patch from a fake email account....)

Oopps, in fact I never thoughtthis way. Sorry guys, will fix it asap. Lesson learned: I had to asksimeblink to attribute participants.

Btw, emails are part of the video image, so they're not exposed to web crawlers. But I remove references made by us. It's just a pity that I forgot to ask people how to attribute them, so many patches will be unnamed.

If you want, you could just remove my email from mine, since my patch has a '-by raja' signature in it anyways which shows up in the video, and leave the other emails as is unless others complain about it. Whatever you'd like, I'm just trying to avoid exposing my private email(people who have gotten it before, have emailed me re: questions about max/msp which i don't like to handle through email.... unless pay was involved... but i digress...).

If you want, you could just remove my email from mine, since my patch has a '-by raja' signature in it anyways which shows up in the video, and leave the other emails as is unless others complain about it. Whatever you'd like, I'm just trying to avoid exposing my private email(people who have gotten it before, have emailed me re: questions about max/msp which i don't like to handle through email.... unless pay was involved... but i digress...).
Thanks in advance!


That was hugely enjoyable! Love to be part of this.

We've removed emails from the video. Sorry for inconvinience guys.

Thanks for participating I really like the patches, everything sounds awesome! In fact, I'm strongly commited to make a second uncontest, but maybe in the Fall. Would you like to participate once more? :)

Sure thing! Much inspired to make something new.

1st Max/Pd Uncontest