David Zicarelli

Just letting everyone know if you hadn't noticed that the 5.0.1 update is now available. Changes here (which you can now also access from the Help menu within Max):

https://cycling74.com/version/version_5_0_1.html

5-0-1

How do you access the updates from the help file? I can't find it anywhere... so I'm using safari, suppose I could use jweb..

How do you access the updates from the help file?  I can't find it anywhere... so I'm using safari, suppose I could use jweb..

You Cyclists are incredibly fast. Thank you for the update!

Installation on Win XP SP2 still hangs. Been waiting a long time since the progress meter reached the end.

It seems to involve an MSI62.tmp process with the description: CopyInf x32 iLok Driver Install Application. I remember something similar happening with 4.6.2.

The "key" object still outputs only ASCII values and no Key Code values. Can anyone else confirm that, or is it just me?

And while I'm at it, the transport object is a fabulous new creation, but I would love for it to have multiple argument capabilities. (I'm working on a piece now that has...goes to count...45 transports already : )

Quote: Eli wrote on Sun, 27 April 2008 01:06

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> And while I'm at it, the transport object is a fabulous new creation, but I would love for it to have multiple argument capabilities. (I'm working on a piece now that has...goes to count...45 transports already : )

Quote: Eli wrote on Sun, 27 April 2008 01:06
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> And while I'm at it, the transport object is a fabulous new creation, but I would love for it to have multiple argument capabilities. (I'm working on a piece now that has...goes to count...45 transports already : )
>
> Eli
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On Apr 26, 2008, at 10:08 PM, Eli Stine wrote:

> Quote: Eli wrote on Sun, 27 April 2008 01:06

> ----------------------------------------------------

>> And while I'm at it, the transport object is a fabulous new 

>> creation, but I would love for it to have multiple argument 

>> capabilities. (I'm working on a piece now that has...goes to 

I haven't done this, but you should be able to fill a coll with times, 

and when a timepoint hits its time, it loads the next one from the coll.

On Apr 26, 2008, at 10:08 PM, Eli Stine wrote:
>
> Quote: Eli wrote on Sun, 27 April 2008 01:06
> ----------------------------------------------------
>> And while I'm at it, the transport object is a fabulous new  
>> creation, but I would love for it to have multiple argument  
>> capabilities. (I'm working on a piece now that has...goes to  
>> count...45 transports already : )
>>
>> Eli
> ----------------------------------------------------
>
> Meant "timepoint" objects. My mistake.

I haven't done this, but you should be able to fill a coll with times,  
and when a timepoint hits its time, it loads the next one from the coll.

Chris Muir
cbm@well.com	
http://www.xfade.com

On Apr 26, 2008, at 10:33 PM, Chris Muir wrote:

> I haven't done this, but you should be able to fill a coll with 

> times, and when a timepoint hits its time, it loads the next one 

This technique works pretty well, actually. This is a little quick and 

On Apr 26, 2008, at 10:33 PM, Chris Muir wrote:
> I haven't done this, but you should be able to fill a coll with  
> times, and when a timepoint hits its time, it loads the next one  
> from the coll.

This technique works pretty well, actually. This is a little quick and  
dirty, but:

On 26 Apr 2008, at 23:37, Mattijs Kneppers wrote:

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I'm starting to think the "b" keyboard shortcut was a bad idea...

Nick Rothwell - nick@cassiel.com - www.cassiel.com

--- open-source goodies for MaxMSP: Python, Groovy, Nixie Tubes,

--- rotatable text bricks, databases: all at www.loadbang.net

>
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Nick Rothwell - nick@cassiel.com - www.cassiel.com
--- open-source goodies for MaxMSP: Python, Groovy, Nixie Tubes,
--- rotatable text bricks, databases: all at www.loadbang.net


mine failed to start because the side by side configuration is incorrect? is there something Im supposed to do with all that code for the first two posts?

mine failed to start because the side by side configuration is incorrect?  is there something Im supposed to do with all that code for the first two posts?


Quote: nick rothwell / cassiel wrote on Sun, 27 April 2008 11:54

> On 26 Apr 2008, at 23:37, Mattijs Kneppers wrote:

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> I'm starting to think the "b" keyboard shortcut was a bad idea...

Oh my, Wallace is going to hate me for this..

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Quote: nick rothwell / cassiel wrote on Sun, 27 April 2008 11:54
----------------------------------------------------
>
> On 26 Apr 2008, at 23:37, Mattijs Kneppers wrote:
>
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>
> I'm starting to think the "b" keyboard shortcut was a bad idea...
>
>
>

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On 27 Apr 2008, at 12:14, Mattijs Kneppers wrote:

> Oh my, Wallace is going to hate me for this..

At this rate, we won't need Jitter any more.

On 27 Apr 2008, at 12:14, Mattijs Kneppers wrote:
> Oh my, Wallace is going to hate me for this..

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Quote: nick rothwell / cassiel wrote on Sun, 27 April 2008 13:28

> At this rate, we won't need Jitter any more.

You didn't think I did those by hand, did you? ;)

Quote: nick rothwell / cassiel wrote on Sun, 27 April 2008 13:28
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> At this rate, we won't need Jitter any more.
>

>It seems to involve an MSI62.tmp process with the description: >CopyInf x32 iLok Driver Install Application. I remember something >similar happening with 4.6.2.

Disable your network interfaces while installing ( take out ethernet cable, etc)

"Export as ASCII art" option in the file menu?

Quote: mathieu.chamagne wrote on Sun, 27 April 2008 18:47

> 7494.3oc6c11ahjjj.9yt+UfX6OrqjOO46UV2Ic51+.mz8sa0NqZgMU6gavf

> Wftm9lU6+8snhrLEtgfvMEUF1NtSCqarARhmHyLdKi7e7gqFe6xuUsd7n+8Q

So.. who will be the first one to make a 3D engine with buttons?

Quote: mathieu.chamagne wrote on Sun, 27 April 2008 18:47
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So.. who will be the first one to make a 3D engine with buttons?


You know, to be honest, it's not an emotional, personal thing for me at 

all. I know you're only joking here, Mattijs, but I wanted to make this 

We all have different working habits and nothing is going to suit 

everyone perfectly. When implementing policy and making suggestions, 

we're going for what's best not just for the bulk of today's users, but 

also with a nod to archiving this discussion for tomorrow's searchers, 

not to mention non-forum/list posting needs for certain features.

Myself, I still think that patches longer than oh, say 20-30 lines 

should be posted as attachments. Yes, I understand your reasons for why 

you don't like this, but I can't really believe how personally some have 

taken this request. You are not going to like every single thing we do, 

and believe me, the more hyperbolic the response, the less likely it is 

to be taken seriously. If you want results, show some respect and 

consideration and stop declaring that we haven't done the same. That's a 

personal request from Wallace Winfrey the person, not Wallace Winfrey 

the Cycling 74 employee (actually most of this email is basically a 

reflection of my personal thoughts rather than some expression of 

A thoughtful, considerate response that explains your objections clearly 

sent via private email will get one SO much more mileage than a 

sarcastic, thinly-veiled F-U posted to the forum/list. I know I've 

posted this sentiment in various ways over the years, but I guess some 

people just aren't built in a way to respond accordingly. The other 

thing it could be is that some just think I'm a bot, a cold unfeeling 

Terminator dishing out C74 policy like so much hot lead. I assure you 

that my programming was not oriented that way in the least - I'm way 

That said, let me just say that I'm trying to figure out if there is a 

way to turn compressed Max 5 patches into human-readable JSON format in 

the browser. Perhaps there's a way to build a Firefox/Thunderbird plugin 

to accomplish this, I dunno. If you've got some experience with building 

these things or would like to take a crack it, contact me off-list.

Yes, I know a Firefox/Thunderbird plugin would not solve this issue for 

Mail.app/Safari users. Or Opera users. It might not even be feasible at 

all, but I *know* that there has to be some way out there that we can 

make patches immediately readable and usable while not cluttering up the 

forum archives with endless code scrolling of JSON structures. I also 

know that whatever we come up with, it's not going to suit at least one 

person's needs in the least. After all, there's no such thing as a free 

You know, to be honest, it's not an emotional, personal thing for me at 
all. I know you're only joking here, Mattijs, but I wanted to make this 
clear...

We all have different working habits and nothing is going to suit 
everyone perfectly. When implementing policy and making suggestions, 
we're going for what's best not just for the bulk of today's users, but 
also with a nod to archiving this discussion for tomorrow's searchers, 
not to mention non-forum/list posting needs for certain features.

Myself, I still think that patches longer than oh, say 20-30 lines 
should be posted as attachments. Yes, I understand your reasons for why 
you don't like this, but I can't really believe how personally some have 
taken this request. You are not going to like every single thing we do, 
and believe me, the more hyperbolic the response, the less likely it is 
to be taken seriously. If you want results, show some respect and 
consideration and stop declaring that we haven't done the same. That's a 
personal request from Wallace Winfrey the person, not Wallace Winfrey 
the Cycling 74 employee (actually most of this email is basically a 
reflection of my personal thoughts rather than some expression of 
official company policy).

A thoughtful, considerate response that explains your objections clearly 
sent via private email will get one SO much more mileage than a 
sarcastic, thinly-veiled F-U posted to the forum/list. I know I've 
posted this sentiment in various ways over the years, but I guess some 
people just aren't built in a way to respond accordingly. The other 
thing it could be is that some just think I'm a bot, a cold unfeeling 
Terminator dishing out C74 policy like so much hot lead. I assure you 
that my programming was not oriented that way in the least - I'm way 
more C-3PO than T-1000 ;-)

That said, let me just say that I'm trying to figure out if there is a 
way to turn compressed Max 5 patches into human-readable JSON format in 
the browser. Perhaps there's a way to build a Firefox/Thunderbird plugin 
to accomplish this, I dunno. If you've got some experience with building 
these things or would like to take a crack it, contact me off-list.

Yes, I know a Firefox/Thunderbird plugin would not solve this issue for 
Mail.app/Safari users. Or Opera users. It might not even be feasible at 
all, but I *know* that there has to be some way out there that we can 
make patches immediately readable and usable while not cluttering up the 
forum archives with endless code scrolling of JSON structures. I also 
know that whatever we come up with, it's not going to suit at least one 
person's needs in the least. After all, there's no such thing as a free 
lunch.

The old 4.x max-text format isn't really all that readable anyway. So as long as the new (compressed) format can be copied and pasted into Max 5, making it (vaguely) human-readable in the forum seems like an awful lot of effort and space for not that much semantic return.

20-30 lines maximum seems a little short, my personal threshold is more like 1-2 screens deep.

Attachments are much less likely to encourage me to download, decompress and open them, by comparison. I usually just skip them.

copy compressed is a very elegant solution to the problem. i for one am very appreciative.

it seemed most people were concerned about having to attach patches, and not being able to post inline. 

being able to read the patch inline does not seem like a major benefit, or worth all that much time and effort.

copy compressed is a very elegant solution to the problem.  i for one am very appreciative. 

it seemed most people were concerned about having to attach patches, and not being able to post inline.  
being able to read the patch inline does not seem like a major benefit, or worth all that much time and effort.

> Attachments are much less likely to encourage me to download, decompress and open them, by comparison.

See for me, clicking a patch that's been attached to a forum message and 

having Max 5 open it up seems pretty easy and painless, especially if I 

don't have Max running. It definitely seems like less work than 

selecting the patch text, copying it to my clipboard, possibly launching 

Max, then hitting Ctrl-Alt-N. I don't presume to think that my working 

habits are like others, but this is where I'm coming from.

> being able to read the patch inline does not seem like a major 

benefit, or worth all that much time and effort.

Making it happen definitely will not be taking up much of *my* time, 

hence the request for someone, for whom this feature might be really 

important, to figure out a solution, with as much support as I can give 

them short of doing any programming myself.

Mostly I just want clean, easy-to-navigate discussion archives. Large 

inline patches, and especially, quoted-in-the-reply large inline 

> Attachments are much less likely to encourage me to download, decompress and open them, by comparison. 

See for me, clicking a patch that's been attached to a forum message and 
having Max 5 open it up seems pretty easy and painless, especially if I 
don't have Max running. It definitely seems like less work than 
selecting the patch text, copying it to my clipboard, possibly launching 
Max, then hitting Ctrl-Alt-N. I don't presume to think that my working 
habits are like others, but this is where I'm coming from.

 > being able to read the patch inline does not seem like a major 
benefit, or worth all that much time and effort.

Making it happen definitely will not be taking up much of *my* time, 
hence the request for someone, for whom this feature might be really 
important, to figure out a solution, with as much support as I can give 
them short of doing any programming myself.

Mostly I just want clean, easy-to-navigate discussion archives. Large 
inline patches, and especially, quoted-in-the-reply large inline 
patches, run counter to this goal.

> The "key" object still outputs only ASCII values and no Key Code

> values. Can anyone else confirm that, or is it just me? --

They just accidentially happen to be the same as american ascii. Hold 

the shift key and you see a difference. I think it has to be mentioned 

in the help file that the codes them self differ form old Max versions. 