wallace winfrey

In a little over a week's time, all of Cycling 74's community

discussions will be web-only. On Friday, February 20, 2009, we will

be shutting off all of our public, two-way mailing lists. This includes:

In order to participate in our discussions, you will need to use our

Additionally, ending our public mailing lists will correspond with an

upgrade to our forum software, which we hope will offer greater stability and

We understand that some of you may be upset by this decision.

However, know that this decision was not something we took lightly,

nor was it hastily decided. The fact is, the mailing lists have had

a sell-by date since we started the forums. The reason they lasted so

long, and that we went through the trouble of tying them to our forums,

is because we realize how fond of them many of you are.

We have two primary reasons for ending the mailing lists, which basically

1. The difficulty of synchronizing the forums and mailing lists, from both

technical and cultural perspectives, has compromised the user experience.

2. The ease with which public mailing lists can be targeted by

spammers. With hundreds of thousands of messages per day being sent to

our mailing lists, fighting spam has become far too time-consuming and

Some of you may say "well, I don't want to browse the forums - I

like having the list come into my mailbox" and for those of you, have you

considered RSS? We have RSS feeds for each of the forums. Here are their URLs:

https://cycling74.com/forums/atom.php?mode=m&l=1&n=10&basic=1

https://cycling74.com/forums/atom.php?frm=7&mode=m&l=1&n=10&basic=1

https://cycling74.com/forums/atom.php?frm=8&mode=m&l=1&n=10&basic=1

https://cycling74.com/forums/atom.php?frm=9&mode=m&l=1&n=10&basic=1

https://cycling74.com/forums/atom.php?frm=10&mode=m&l=1&n=10&basic=1

https://cycling74.com/forums/atom.php?frm=15&mode=m&l=1&n=10&basic=1

https://cycling74.com/forums/atom.php?frm=17&mode=m&l=1&n=10&basic=1

https://cycling74.com/forums/atom.php?frm=18&mode=m&l=1&n=10&basic=1

We also have a beta version of the RSS feeds that include a couple of minor

improvements, such as a link to reply to the post, which was implemented

specifically for folks switching to RSS from the mailing list. If you save

your login on the forums, this will allow you to immediately reply to the topic

at hand, rather than requiring you to login, navigate to the forum thread and

You can access the beta version by simply taking the above URL, and adding

substituting "atom-test.php" for "atom.php".

Note, the feeds are quite customizable, if you haven't taken a look at

https://cycling74.com/forums/index.php?t=help_index§ion=boardusage#syndicate

you'll find that the customizable options include,

* pulling feeds not just for certain forums, as listed above, but also by category & topic

It might take a period of initial adjustment, but I think many of you will

find that RSS feeds feel very similar to the mailing lists.

It's also worth mentioning that, although we won't officially support it, there

are RSS->email services out there that would be capable of pulling our feeds

If you receive any of our mailing lists, your last e-mail will be

sent on February 20. This will contain a reminder that the mailing

lists will be ending. After that, we sincerely hope you'll continue to

participate in our community either via our web site or RSS.

In a little over a week's time, all of Cycling 74's community
discussions will be web-only. On Friday, February 20, 2009, we will
be shutting off all of our public, two-way mailing lists. This includes:

dev@cycling74.com
java-dev@cycling74.com
javascript-dev@cycling74.com
jitter@cycling74.com
jitter-dev@cycling74.com
maxmsp@cycling74.com
pluggo@cycling74.com
radial@cycling74.com

In order to participate in our discussions, you will need to use our
web forums, located at https://cycling74.com/forums/index.php

Additionally, ending our public mailing lists will correspond with an
upgrade to our forum software, which we hope will offer greater stability and
useful features, such as post editing.

We understand that some of you may be upset by this decision.
However, know that this decision was not something we took lightly,
nor was it hastily decided. The fact is, the mailing lists have had
a sell-by date since we started the forums. The reason they lasted so
long, and that we went through the trouble of tying them to our forums,
is because we realize how fond of them many of you are.

We have two primary reasons for ending the mailing lists, which basically
boil down to:

1. The difficulty of synchronizing the forums and mailing lists, from both
technical and cultural perspectives, has compromised the user experience.

2. The ease with which public mailing lists can be targeted by
spammers. With hundreds of thousands of messages per day being sent to
our mailing lists, fighting spam has become far too time-consuming and
expensive for us to support.

Some of you may say "well, I don't want to browse the forums - I
like having the list come into my mailbox" and for those of you, have you
considered RSS? We have RSS feeds for each of the forums. Here are their URLs:

All topics: https://cycling74.com/forums/atom.php?mode=m&l=1&n=10&basic=1
Max/MSP: https://cycling74.com/forums/atom.php?frm=7&mode=m&l=1&n=10&basic=1
Jitter: https://cycling74.com/forums/atom.php?frm=8&mode=m&l=1&n=10&basic=1
Pluggo: https://cycling74.com/forums/atom.php?frm=9&mode=m&l=1&n=10&basic=1
radiaL: https://cycling74.com/forums/atom.php?frm=10&mode=m&l=1&n=10&basic=1
Dev: https://cycling74.com/forums/atom.php?frm=15&mode=m&l=1&n=10&basic=1
Javascript: https://cycling74.com/forums/atom.php?frm=17&mode=m&l=1&n=10&basic=1
Java: https://cycling74.com/forums/atom.php?frm=18&mode=m&l=1&n=10&basic=1

We also have a beta version of the RSS feeds that include a couple of minor
improvements, such as a link to reply to the post, which was implemented
specifically for folks switching to RSS from the mailing list. If you save
your login on the forums, this will allow you to immediately reply to the topic
at hand, rather than requiring you to login, navigate to the forum thread and
find the "post" link.

You can access the beta version by simply taking the above URL, and adding
substituting "atom-test.php" for "atom.php".

* pulling feeds not just for certain forums, as listed above, but also by category & topic
* number of messages retrieved
* date cutoffs
* date ordering

It might take a period of initial adjustment, but I think many of you will
find that RSS feeds feel very similar to the mailing lists.

It's also worth mentioning that, although we won't officially support it, there
are RSS->email services out there that would be capable of pulling our feeds
into your mailboxes.

If you receive any of our mailing lists, your last e-mail will be
sent on February 20. This will contain a reminder that the mailing
lists will be ending. After that, we sincerely hope you'll continue to
participate in our community either via our web site or RSS.


announcement-community-discussions-will-be-web-only-after-22009-8

Can you dedicate a Forum to "Cleanroom Max/MSP Engineering" ???

I keep hearing about glitches and bugs, and it's a bit uncomforting 

when Max/MSP/Jitter are so innovative, having crashes will spoil all 

On Feb 13, 2009, at 11:44 PM, wallace winfrey wrote:

> In a little over a week's time, all of Cycling 74's community

> discussions will be web-only. On Friday, February 20, 2009, we will

> be shutting off all of our public, two-way mailing lists. This 

> In order to participate in our discussions, you will need to use our

> Additionally, ending our public mailing lists will correspond with an

> upgrade to our forum software, which we hope will offer greater 

> We understand that some of you may be upset by this decision.

> However, know that this decision was not something we took lightly,

> nor was it hastily decided. The fact is, the mailing lists have had

> a sell-by date since we started the forums. The reason they lasted so

> long, and that we went through the trouble of tying them to our 

> is because we realize how fond of them many of you are.

> We have two primary reasons for ending the mailing lists, which 

> 1. The difficulty of synchronizing the forums and mailing lists, 

> technical and cultural perspectives, has compromised the user 

> 2. The ease with which public mailing lists can be targeted by

> spammers. With hundreds of thousands of messages per day being sent to

> our mailing lists, fighting spam has become far too time-consuming and

> Some of you may say "well, I don't want to browse the forums - I

> like having the list come into my mailbox" and for those of you, 

> considered RSS? We have RSS feeds for each of the forums. Here are 

I keep hearing about glitches and bugs, and it's a bit uncomforting  
when Max/MSP/Jitter are so innovative, having crashes will spoil all  
the fun, not to mention the "Boooos!"

>
> In a little over a week's time, all of Cycling 74's community
> discussions will be web-only. On Friday, February 20, 2009, we will
> be shutting off all of our public, two-way mailing lists. This  
> includes:
>
> dev@cycling74.com
> java-dev@cycling74.com
> javascript-dev@cycling74.com
> jitter@cycling74.com
> maxmsp@cycling74.com
> pluggo@cycling74.com
> radial@cycling74.com
>
> In order to participate in our discussions, you will need to use our
> web forums, located at https://cycling74.com/forums/index.php
>
> Additionally, ending our public mailing lists will correspond with an
> upgrade to our forum software, which we hope will offer greater  
> stability and
> useful features, such as post editing.
>
> We understand that some of you may be upset by this decision.
> However, know that this decision was not something we took lightly,
> nor was it hastily decided. The fact is, the mailing lists have had
> a sell-by date since we started the forums. The reason they lasted so
> long, and that we went through the trouble of tying them to our  
> forums,
> is because we realize how fond of them many of you are.
>
> We have two primary reasons for ending the mailing lists, which  
> basically
> boil down to:
>
> 1. The difficulty of synchronizing the forums and mailing lists,  
> from both
> technical and cultural perspectives, has compromised the user  
> experience.
>
> 2. The ease with which public mailing lists can be targeted by
> spammers. With hundreds of thousands of messages per day being sent to
> our mailing lists, fighting spam has become far too time-consuming and
> expensive for us to support.
>
> Some of you may say "well, I don't want to browse the forums - I
> like having the list come into my mailbox" and for those of you,  
> have you
> considered RSS? We have RSS feeds for each of the forums. Here are  
> their URLs:
>
> All topics: https://cycling74.com/forums/atom.php?mode=m&l=1&n=10&basic=1
> Max/MSP: https://cycling74.com/forums/atom.php?frm=7&mode=m&l=1&n=10&basic=1
> Jitter: https://cycling74.com/forums/atom.php?frm=8&mode=m&l=1&n=10&basic=1
> Pluggo: https://cycling74.com/forums/atom.php?frm=9&mode=m&l=1&n=10&basic=1
> radiaL: https://cycling74.com/forums/atom.php?frm=10&mode=m&l=1&n=10&basic=1
> Dev: https://cycling74.com/forums/atom.php?frm=15&mode=m&l=1&n=10&basic=1
> Javascript: https://cycling74.com/forums/atom.php?frm=17&mode=m&l=1&n=10&basic=1
> Java: https://cycling74.com/forums/atom.php?frm=18&mode=m&l=1&n=10&basic=1
>
> We also have a beta version of the RSS feeds that include a couple  
> of minor
> improvements, such as a link to reply to the post, which was  
> implemented
> specifically for folks switching to RSS from the mailing list. If  
> you save
> your login on the forums, this will allow you to immediately reply  
> to the topic
> at hand, rather than requiring you to login, navigate to the forum  
> thread and
> find the "post" link.
>
> You can access the beta version by simply taking the above URL, and  
> adding
> substituting "atom-test.php" for "atom.php".
>
> Note, the feeds are quite customizable, if you haven't taken a look at
>
> https://cycling74.com/forums/index.php?t=help_index§ion=boardusage#syndicate
>
> you'll find that the customizable options include,
>
> * pulling feeds not just for certain forums, as listed above, but  
> also by category & topic
> * number of messages retrieved
> * date cutoffs
> * date ordering
>
> It might take a period of initial adjustment, but I think many of  
> you will
> find that RSS feeds feel very similar to the mailing lists.
>
> It's also worth mentioning that, although we won't officially  
> support it, there
> are RSS->email services out there that would be capable of pulling  
> our feeds
> into your mailboxes.
>
> If you receive any of our mailing lists, your last e-mail will be
> sent on February 20. This will contain a reminder that the mailing
> lists will be ending. After that, we sincerely hope you'll continue to
> participate in our community either via our web site or RSS.
>


ANNOUNCEMENT: Community discussions will be web-only after 2/20/09.