Wesley Smith

Does anyone have a BCR2000 patch for making this thing work in 14-bit

mode? I just started using this thing and the effin' manual did

nothing but remind me why I hate MIDI so much. I can't make heads or

tails of this thing they call a "manual", but I also have limited

experience with MIDI. Any help is greatly appreciated.

Hi,
Does anyone have a BCR2000 patch for making this thing work in 14-bit
mode?  I just started using this thing and the effin' manual did
nothing but remind me why I hate MIDI so much.  I can't make heads or
tails of this thing they call a "manual", but I also have limited
experience with MIDI.  Any help is greatly appreciated.

bcr2000

Does the BCR2K work like Doepfer Pocket dial wich also comes with endless

rotary knobs ? though i'm not sure the doepfer works in 14 bits mode as i

if it is so, i can give you a patch i made for the doepfer so you can use

it with [ctlin] without any value jumping...

> Does anyone have a BCR2000 patch for making this thing work in 14-bit

> mode? I just started using this thing and the effin' manual did

> nothing but remind me why I hate MIDI so much. I can't make heads or

> tails of this thing they call a "manual", but I also have limited

> experience with MIDI. Any help is greatly appreciated.

Does the BCR2K work like Doepfer Pocket dial wich also comes with endless
rotary knobs ? though i'm not sure the doepfer works in 14 bits mode as i
don't really know what 14bits mode is !
if it is so, i can give you a patch i made for the doepfer so you can use
it with [ctlin] without any value jumping...
y.

> Hi,
> Does anyone have a BCR2000 patch for making this thing work in 14-bit
> mode?  I just started using this thing and the effin' manual did
> nothing but remind me why I hate MIDI so much.  I can't make heads or
> tails of this thing they call a "manual", but I also have limited
> experience with MIDI.  Any help is greatly appreciated.
>
> thanks.
> wes
>

you have to program a knob of BCR2000 so that it outputs a pitch bend 

2. with the 1th knob you select the type of controller (select Pb ? 

dans max use xbendin....open the help file....and it works

Il giorno 25/set/06, alle ore 04:13, Wesley Smith ha scritto:

Hi,
you have to program a knob of BCR2000 so that it outputs a pitch bend  
message for that knob

1. go in edit mode
2. with the 1th knob you select the type of controller (select Pb ?  
pitch bend)

> Hi,
> Does anyone have a BCR2000 patch for making this thing work in 14-bit
> mode?  I just started using this thing and the effin' manual did
> nothing but remind me why I hate MIDI so much.  I can't make heads or
> tails of this thing they call a "manual", but I also have limited
> experience with MIDI.  Any help is greatly appreciated.
>
> thanks.
> wes


.......finally it's all explained into the manual of BCR2000...just 

.......finally it's all explained into the manual of BCR2000...just  
read it a little ;-)

I you want to use NRPN instead of pitch-bend, which might be usefull as you don't have the

limitation of 16 that goes with pitch-bend (only one per channel), the [bcf2000] external included

in jasch_objects is exactly what you need.

> you have to program a knob of BCR2000 so that it outputs a pitch bend

> 2. with the 1th knob you select the type of controller (select Pb ?

> dans max use xbendin....open the help file....and it works

> Il giorno 25/set/06, alle ore 04:13, Wesley Smith ha scritto:

>> Does anyone have a BCR2000 patch for making this thing work in 14-bit

>> mode? I just started using this thing and the effin' manual did

>> nothing but remind me why I hate MIDI so much. I can't make heads or

>> tails of this thing they call a "manual", but I also have limited

>> experience with MIDI. Any help is greatly appreciated.

I you want to use NRPN instead of pitch-bend, which might be usefull as you don't have the
limitation of 16 that goes with pitch-bend (only one per channel), the [bcf2000] external included
in jasch_objects is exactly what you need.

> Hi,
> you have to program a knob of BCR2000 so that it outputs a pitch bend
> message for that knob
>
> 1. go in edit mode
> 2. with the 1th knob you select the type of controller (select Pb ?
> pitch bend)
>
> dans max use xbendin....open the help file....and it works
>
> L
>
>
> Il giorno 25/set/06, alle ore 04:13, Wesley Smith ha scritto:
>
>> Hi,
>> Does anyone have a BCR2000 patch for making this thing work in 14-bit
>> mode?  I just started using this thing and the effin' manual did
>> nothing but remind me why I hate MIDI so much.  I can't make heads or
>> tails of this thing they call a "manual", but I also have limited
>> experience with MIDI.  Any help is greatly appreciated.
>>
>> thanks.
>> wes
>
>


i have a bcr2000 and gave up on the idea of getting 14bit data out of 

Instead I wrote a patch which only compares the value sent by a knob 

with the value sent to it by my patch. In this way I can set any 

resolution I want in my patch, since i'm effectively only looking at 

if you're interested I can send you my abstraction, but it would need 

some cleaning up to be understandable for others, i'm afraid..

On 25 Sep 2006, at 04:13, Wesley Smith wrote:

i have a bcr2000 and gave up on the idea of getting 14bit data out of  
it (i didn't try very long..).

Instead I wrote a patch which only compares the value sent by a knob  
with the value sent to it by my patch. In this way I can set any  
resolution I want in my patch, since i'm effectively only looking at  
up/down increments.
I'm not making myself very clear, am  I ?

if you're interested I can send you my abstraction, but it would need  
some cleaning up to be understandable for others, i'm afraid..

Thanks for the posts so far. I've looked a Jasch's object and I don't

think it's what I need. Now that I need something along the lines of

https://cycling74.com/forums/index.php?t=msg&goto=62743&rid=0&srch=bcr2000+sysex#msg_62743

Although I just found a followup to that a few months later here, so

https://cycling74.com/forums/index.php?t=msg&goto=71005&rid=0&srch=bcr2000+sysex#msg_71005

What I'm curious about is where he found the information to make this

patch. I couldn't find anything on the structure of the header bytes

or how to format all this data anywhere in the manual or online.

Hi Everyone,
Thanks for the posts so far.  I've looked a Jasch's object and I don't
think it's what I need.  Now that I need something along the lines of
Nesa's sysex patch:
https://cycling74.com/forums/index.php?t=msg&goto=62743&rid=0&srch=bcr2000+sysex#msg_62743

Although I just found a followup to that a few months later here, so
maybe that will work:
https://cycling74.com/forums/index.php?t=msg&goto=71005&rid=0&srch=bcr2000+sysex#msg_71005

What I'm curious about is where he found the information to make this
patch.  I couldn't find anything on the structure of the header bytes
or how to format all this data anywhere in the manual or online.
Nesa, where did you get such stuff from?

You want to use NRPN - you'll need to program it first. Jasch's patch object is what you're looking for, I've used it to get 14-bit numbers coming in on all the channels. The manual isn't terrible - try using jasch's BCF2000 object, or midiin, hook up the BCR2000, and fool around with the programming. It's nice when you get the hang of it - then you can set the range of the sliders within the 14-bit numberspace. I'd give you some more specific pointers but I can't get to my manual right now, a broken water pipe upstairs dumped water all over my office, just missed drenching my computer. If you can pram low-level jitter objects, you can figure out midi - just remember that it's not as complicated as they make it sound.

You want to use NRPN - you'll need to program it first.  Jasch's patch object is  what you're looking for, I've used it to get 14-bit numbers coming in on all the channels.  The manual isn't terrible - try using jasch's BCF2000 object, or midiin, hook up the BCR2000, and fool around with the programming.  It's nice when you get the hang of it - then you can set the range of the sliders within the 14-bit numberspace.  I'd give you some more specific pointers but I can't get to my manual right now, a broken water pipe upstairs dumped water all over my office, just missed drenching my computer.  If you can pram low-level jitter objects, you can figure out midi - just remember that it's not as complicated as they make it sound.


Alright, so I've got Nesa's patch doing something. It talks to the

proper encoder, but I'm not getting it to behave like the settings

should make it behave. When I send it the settings:

knob, 42, NRPN, ccpar 9, min 0, max 1046, absolute/14, show value on,

knob, 42, SPC, [no channel], [nor ccpar], [no min], [no max], 1dot, on

Has anyone used this patch successfully? Here's the version I'm working with.

Alright, so I've got Nesa's patch doing something.  It talks to the
proper encoder, but I'm not getting it to behave like the settings
should make it behave.  When I send it the settings:

knob, 42, NRPN, ccpar 9, min 0, max 1046, absolute/14, show value on,
1dot, increment 1, I get instead

Has anyone used this patch successfully?  Here's the version I'm working with.

I finally got a response for Behringer support. They won't explain

the sysex protocol for the BCR2000 :{. Oh well.

I finally got a response for Behringer support.  They won't explain
the sysex protocol for the BCR2000 :{.  Oh well.

I remember that patch had some silly bug somewhere, but it worked generally.

I won't be near my dear bcr2000 in next two weeks, so can't check it out at

I got sysex data by using birdie's bcr edit software, wich sent data to

midiox app(or maybe to max's capture) through midi yoke. Tell me if you need

I really need to finish the patch you found as soon as possible, because I

want to (re)store all my settings through pattr in all my performance

patches, avoiding separate presets on the bcr itself. If anyone else has 

something for adjusting bcr from max, please

I remember that patch had some silly bug somewhere, but it worked generally.
I won't be near my dear bcr2000 in next two weeks, so can't check it out at
the moment.

I got sysex data by using birdie's bcr edit software, wich sent data to
midiox app(or maybe to max's capture) through midi yoke. Tell me if you need
more info on this.

I really need to finish the patch you found as soon as possible, because I
want to (re)store all my settings through pattr in all my performance
patches, avoiding separate presets on the bcr itself. If anyone else has 
something for adjusting bcr from max, please
chime in.

> Alright, so I've got Nesa's patch doing something. It talks to the

> proper encoder, but I'm not getting it to behave like the settings

> should make it behave. When I send it the settings:

> knob, 42, NRPN, ccpar 9, min 0, max 1046, absolute/14, show value on,

> knob, 42, SPC, [no channel], [nor ccpar], [no min], [no max], 1dot, on

> Has anyone used this patch successfully? Here's the version I'm working 

But as I understand from the web info on the BCR 2000, its an endless 

encoder box. Why the hell would you want to bother to do the calculation 

within the BCR, flood the Midi cable with long Midi messages instead of 

using increment and decrement settings. Each tick would be one or two 

Midi bytes instead of 4 NRPN or 10 (at least) Sysex bytes. Then within 

your patch you can easily define the resolution you want... (up to 32-bit)

My way to setup faderboxes is always the same: I take the manual, choose 

the one and only usefull setting for its lifetime and trash the manual 

For the use with max the programmability of a faderbox is nothing you 

would ever want to deal with, unless its initial setup is unintuitive, 

which is likely when it comes out of the box...

I have a bunch of flavors to decode endless encoders in my St.ools and 

abhaXions: St.Dialin, dialin, dtlin... Just hack them and enjoy the 

principle of endless encoders set to Midi inc/dec.

Wesley Smith wrote:
> Alright, so I've got Nesa's patch doing something.  It talks to the
> proper encoder, but I'm not getting it to behave like the settings
> should make it behave.  When I send it the settings:
>
> knob, 42, NRPN, ccpar 9, min 0, max 1046, absolute/14, show value on,
> 1dot, increment 1, I get instead
>
> knob, 42, SPC, [no channel], [nor ccpar], [no min], [no max], 1dot, on
>
> Has anyone used this patch successfully?  Here's the version I'm working 
> with.

But as I understand from the web info on the BCR 2000, its an endless 
encoder box. Why the hell would you want to bother to do the calculation 
within the BCR, flood the Midi cable with long Midi messages instead of 
using increment and decrement settings. Each tick would be one or two 
Midi bytes instead of 4 NRPN or 10 (at least) Sysex bytes. Then within 
your patch you can easily define the resolution you want... (up to 32-bit)
My way to setup faderboxes is always the same: I take the manual, choose 
the one and only usefull setting for its lifetime and trash the manual 
(not realy ;-).
For the use with max the programmability of a faderbox is nothing you 
would ever want to deal with, unless its initial setup is unintuitive, 
which is likely when it comes out of the box...

I have a bunch of flavors to decode endless encoders in my St.ools and 
abhaXions: St.Dialin, dialin, dtlin... Just hack them and enjoy the 
principle of endless encoders set to Midi inc/dec.

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Good point. BTW I love the name of your objects:

> I have a bunch of flavors to decode endless encoders in my St.ools

Good point.  BTW I love the name of your objects:
> I have a bunch of flavors to decode endless encoders in my St.ools

> I have a bunch of flavors to decode endless encoders in my St.ools and 

> abhaXions: St.Dialin, dialin, dtlin... Just hack them and enjoy the 

> principle of endless encoders set to Midi inc/dec.

Hi Stefan, I'm only seeing St.Dialin in the St.ools and abhaXions archive. Where is dialin and dtlin, etc.? Is there a generic MIDI inc/dec. to n-bit converter?

> I have a bunch of flavors to decode endless encoders in my St.ools and 
> abhaXions: St.Dialin, dialin, dtlin... Just hack them and enjoy the 
> principle of endless encoders set to Midi inc/dec.
>

Hi Stefan, I'm only seeing St.Dialin in the St.ools and abhaXions archive.  Where is dialin and dtlin, etc.?  Is there a generic MIDI inc/dec. to n-bit converter?

> Hi Stefan, I'm only seeing St.Dialin in the St.ools and abhaXions

> archive. Where is dialin and dtlin, etc.? Is there a generic MIDI

I am not sure when I last updated to cyclings share page, because they 

seem not to be able to receive attachments exceeding a certain size. I 

can send you an actual version if you want, I am working on setting up 

They grow actually almost very day, can't keep up with documentation, 

some have only rudimentary help files, but feel free to ask...

matt wrote:
> Hi Stefan, I'm only seeing St.Dialin in the St.ools and abhaXions
> archive.  Where is dialin and dtlin, etc.?  Is there a generic MIDI
> inc/dec. to n-bit converter?

I am not sure when I last updated to cyclings share page, because they 
seem not to be able to receive attachments exceeding a certain size. I 
can send you an actual version if you want, I am working on setting up 
another space for hosting them....
They grow actually almost very day, can't keep up with documentation, 
some have  only rudimentary help files, but feel free to ask...