lewis lepton

I am going to be moving to Amsterdam by the start of next year (2009).

I was just wondering if anyone knew of any Max.MSP/Jitter workshops that happen, either in Amsterdam.

I am going to be moving to Amsterdam by the start of next year (2009).
I was just wondering if anyone knew of any Max.MSP/Jitter workshops that happen, either in Amsterdam.
If not, anywhere else that is close

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In the Hague there is the Royal Conservatory, where the Sonology 

There is very little in Europe more than Sonology, its something like 

IRCAM, but Dutch, so full of colour!... (IRCAM is huge too, but 

Sonology is real fun, and the people are just nice!)

So I guess you can go and see some fellow Maxers there, its only 30 

mins from Amsterdam, and the train ticket should be still around 15 

Otherwise you should go to STEIM directly (in Amsterdam) (if its 

still open), more than a Max course, you will get Computer music 

If you come to Berlin, you can contact us! more than a course we can 

On Aug 24, 2008, at 12:20 PM, Lewis G. Edwards wrote:

> I am going to be moving to Amsterdam by the start of next year (2009).

> I was just wondering if anyone knew of any Max.MSP/Jitter workshops 

In the Hague there is the Royal Conservatory, where the Sonology  
institute is.

There is very little in Europe more than Sonology, its something like  
IRCAM, but Dutch, so full of colour!...  (IRCAM is huge too, but  
Sonology is real fun, and the people are just nice!)

So I guess you can go and see some fellow Maxers there, its only 30  
mins from Amsterdam, and the train ticket should be still around 15  
Euros,

Otherwise you should go to STEIM directly (in Amsterdam) (if its  
still open), more than a Max course, you will get Computer music  
knowledge, quite important I think!
And for sure people to point you out!

If you come to Berlin, you can contact us! more than a course we can  
have a dinner, but still interesting!

>
> Hello all,
>
> Just a quick question.
>
> I am going to be moving to Amsterdam by the start of next year (2009).
> I was just wondering if anyone knew of any Max.MSP/Jitter workshops  
> that happen, either in Amsterdam.
> If not, anywhere else that is close
>
> Cheers
>
>
> --
> -----
> LGE
> Artist/Producer/Quasi Thinker
> -----
> www.myspace.com/lewisgedwards
> Organic Electronic Music
>

Jacopo Carreras
jacopo@lan-muzic.com
www.lan-muzic.com
www.myspace.com/jacopocarreras

in place at the HKU in Hilversum [yes, the

people you're interested in are in Hilversum],

and I would be pretty surprised if the work

coming out of Leiden [Beeld and Geluid] was

done entirely by students to snuck over to 

Although I am myself a Sonology person, I

Sonology is the only place in the Netherlands

where anything is happening does a considerable

disservice to any number of Dutch organizations

and artists, together or individually. This

list is full of interesting and talented 

In addition to Sonology, there is what I
would consider to be a robust curriculum
in place at the HKU in Hilversum [yes, the
U originally stood for Utrecht, but the
people you're interested in are in Hilversum],
and I would be pretty surprised if the work
coming out of Leiden [Beeld and Geluid] was
done entirely by students to snuck over to 
the Hague to learn Max.

Although I am myself a Sonology person, I
would personally say that to say that 
Sonology is the only place in the Netherlands
where anything is happening does a considerable
disservice to any number of Dutch organizations
and artists, together or individually. This
list is full of interesting and talented 
Dutch persons.

On 24 Aug 2008, at 11:59, Jacopo Carreras wrote:

> In the Hague there is the Royal Conservatory, where the Sonology 

I'm obviously out of touch - I've never heard of Sonology, although 

I'm going to be in The Hague this week doing some work at Nederlands 

Dans Theater (who are probably also doing some interesting stuff in 

> In the Hague there is the Royal Conservatory, where the Sonology  
> institute is.

I'm obviously out of touch - I've never heard of Sonology, although  
I'm going to be in The Hague this week doing some work at Nederlands  
Dans Theater (who are probably also doing some interesting stuff in  
sound - I'll try to find out).

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I had a look at the IRCAM courses and also the Sonology courses as well (which has a lot to go through, or unless i read it wrong)

I have als signed up as well with the mailing list for the Cycling 74 courses, so if anything happens, i will get info on it,

Oh, no sorry, this was not the meaning, I just wanted to give a 

Just wished to say that I had a really nice experience there, and in 

On Aug 24, 2008, at 2:55 PM, Gregory Taylor wrote:

> In addition to Sonology, there is what I

> would consider to be a robust curriculum

> in place at the HKU in Hilversum [yes, the

> U originally stood for Utrecht, but the

> people you're interested in are in Hilversum],

> and I would be pretty surprised if the work

> coming out of Leiden [Beeld and Geluid] was

> done entirely by students to snuck over to

> Although I am myself a Sonology person, I

> Sonology is the only place in the Netherlands

> where anything is happening does a considerable

> disservice to any number of Dutch organizations

> and artists, together or individually. This

> list is full of interesting and talented

> knowledge is not enough/science is not enough/Love is dreaming this 

Oh, no sorry, this was not the meaning, I just wanted to give a  
starting point!

Just wished to say that I had a really nice experience there, and in  
the Netherlands in general.

>
> In addition to Sonology, there is what I
> would consider to be a robust curriculum
> in place at the HKU in Hilversum [yes, the
> U originally stood for Utrecht, but the
> people you're interested in are in Hilversum],
> and I would be pretty surprised if the work
> coming out of Leiden [Beeld and Geluid] was
> done entirely by students to snuck over to
> the Hague to learn Max.
>
> Although I am myself a Sonology person, I
> would personally say that to say that
> Sonology is the only place in the Netherlands
> where anything is happening does a considerable
> disservice to any number of Dutch organizations
> and artists, together or individually. This
> list is full of interesting and talented
> Dutch persons.
>
> met vriendelijke groeten,
> gregory
> --
> knowledge is not enough/science is not enough/Love is dreaming this  
> equation

I'm in the process of planning a 2 day workshop at STEIM (amsterdam) for the coming season (2008-2009). It will be a course for beginners and will be focusing on max 5.0.

This is NOT official yet but will keep you posted.

However, If you are interested in a school I can recommend Sonology (the Hague) of HKU KMT (Utrecht but located in Hilversum). Both have nice classes. Sonology is more focused on electronic composition.

I'm in the process of planning a 2 day workshop at STEIM (amsterdam) for the coming season (2008-2009). It will be a course for beginners and will be focusing on max 5.0. 

However, If you are interested in a school I can recommend Sonology (the Hague) of HKU KMT (Utrecht but located in Hilversum). Both have nice classes. Sonology is more focused on electronic composition.


I really would recommend the HKU option, I did my master there and there are some really good people over there.

The faculty in hilversum is called KMT which stands for Kunst media en Technology (Art,Media and Technology) which pretty much says it all!

I really would recommend the HKU option, I did my master there and there are some really good people over there.
The faculty in hilversum is called KMT which stands for Kunst media en Technology (Art,Media and Technology) which pretty much says it all!


Not sure if you are looking for a course in the sense of a one week intensive max course, or a course in the sense of a one year of more electronic music/media studies, but:

If you have a bachelor in a related field, I think you should consider the Master program at KMT in Hilversum. This is normally a two year program.

If you don't have a bachelor in a related field, but you somehow kinda-sorta know what you are doing, (or at least what you want to be doing), the sonology COURSE, might be interesting. It is a one year course, that allows you to just pick what you need from the whole four year bachelor curriculum, and of course, pick the brains of the teachers.

I would consider Sonology more focused (on electronic/computer/algorithmic music), and KMT much more openminded to *anything*, that YOU want to do. Including, for example, wacky installations, music for theater, serious IDM type of stuff etc.

If you are a hardcore computer music guy, and are already well (I mean well..) educated. One year of sonology course could be all you need to take a leap in your composition/performance practice.

Clarence Barlow is not teaching there anymore, and I think Konrad Boehmer is not there anymore either, or at least not as the head of department. Kees Tazelaar is quite an amazing composer though, (and could tell teach you all you ever want to now about the analog studio there), and Paul Berg will whip you Max skills up three notches (if your brain can cope, that is)

If you need a one week course or similar, contact steim.

If you are a hardcore computer music guy, and are already well (I mean well..) educated. One year of sonology course could be all you need to take a leap in your composition/performance practice. 

Clarence Barlow is not teaching there anymore, and I think Konrad Boehmer is not there anymore either, or at least not as the head of department. Kees Tazelaar is quite an amazing composer though,  (and could tell teach you all you ever want to now about the analog studio there), and Paul Berg will whip you Max skills up three notches (if your brain can cope, that is)

Wow, again, thanks for your replies, means a lot

I would like to take a 1-2 week workshop. The reason being, is that i will be working day and night, so a 1-2 year course, would be too hard on myself, for the work that i do.

I think i will go and have a look at STEIM, when i get there and ask some questions and all that business.

Also if Cycling 74 get back to me nearer the time about their own workshops, then that would be great.

some passive Dutch]. While nearly everyone

speaks English and you can certainly get by,

you may notice that the minute you head out

the door, everyone switches to Dutch. In my

embarrassingly limited experience, they're 

talking about some things you'll probably 

There's even a "Dutch for Dummies" out now,

and it's a good deal more culturally savvy

gregory (whose "steenkool Nederlands" is a 

continual source of embarrassment. A woman

I met at a party two weeks ago got on my 

bother to learn any. So I guess it's still

Try to learn some Dutch [at least
some passive Dutch]. While nearly everyone
speaks English and you can certainly get by,
you may notice that the minute you head out
the door, everyone switches to Dutch. In my
embarrassingly limited experience, they're 
talking about some things you'll probably 
want to know about. :-)

There's even a "Dutch for Dummies" out now,
and it's a good deal more culturally savvy
than I might have expected.

gregory (whose "steenkool Nederlands" is a 
continual source of embarrassment. A woman
I met at a party two weeks ago got on my 
case about how bad my Dutch was, but it 
turned out she assumed that I was one of
those people who lived there and didn't 
bother to learn any. So I guess it's still
a bit of an issue....)


argh. that was supposed to be email. 't
spijt me wel.


I do plan to learn Dutch, especially if i plan to live and stay there.

I am in the plan of getting a good book to learn Dutch, will give the Dutch for Dummies a go

It is much easier than Arabic I can tell you. For the 2 years i have been here, i know a few words, mostly swear ones. And i know a few egyptian swear words.

I did plan to try and learn arabic, but my throat just kept on caving in, hahaha

I do plan to learn Dutch, especially if i plan to live and stay there.
I am in the plan of getting a good book to learn Dutch, will give the Dutch for Dummies a go

It is much easier than Arabic I can tell you. For the 2 years i have been here, i know a few words, mostly swear ones. And i know a few egyptian swear words.
I did plan to try and learn arabic, but my throat just kept on caving in, hahaha

Right, i have gotten an order done for the Dutch For Dummies.

Have also started to save up for the workshop, just need the workshop

And also have an order for my MOTU 828 MK3, ooh cant wait.

Also getting hold of Jitter as well, :), but that will be next month.

Cheers to all the cats who helped with the questions of workshops near or in Amsterdam.

Just one last question, when is Pluggo out, or even the SDK kit out. I would love to make my Max 5 projects into plugins for Logic

And also have an order for my MOTU 828 MK3, ooh cant wait.
Also getting hold of Jitter as well, :), but that will be next month.

Just one last question, when is Pluggo out, or even the SDK kit out. I would love to make my Max 5 projects into plugins for Logic


I know for myself Dutch people are asses when it comes to speaking English if there are foreigners around. Even though i lived abroad for years and English isn't really a big prob I still catch myself getting lazy at times (sorry Nesa). And you probably know how polite Dutch people are in general ^^.

Dutch is a cool language, but hey, The Netherlands is a -really- small country. In Amsterdam there are many interesting people from abroad (artists, designers, dj's, software developers) who don't speak Dutch and don't feel the need. Since there are quite some Dutch people, like yours truly, who prefer to meet with more internationally oriented people and speak English.

Btw, it's pretty cool to see Gregory speak Dutch, or Japanese for that matter. When is there going to be another max/msp get-together in these parts?

I'm definitely interested in a max/msp get-together.

I don't know too many people in Amsterdam so far - besides my girlfriend -

I find Dutch to be very much like Danish, when you read it...

Can understand most as long as you see those letters, but then comes the

Having a lot of problems with those "g's" especially.

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Mattijs Kneppers wrote:

> Dutch is a cool language, but hey, The Netherlands is a -really- small

> country. In Amsterdam there are many interesting people from abroad

> (artists, designers, dj's, software developers) who don't speak Dutch and

> don't feel the need. Since there are quite some Dutch people, like yours

> truly, who prefer to meet with more internationally oriented people and

> Btw, it's pretty cool to see Gregory speak Dutch, or Japanese for that

> matter. When is there going to be another max/msp get-together in these

I'm definitely interested in a max/msp get-together.
I don't know too many people in Amsterdam so far - besides my girlfriend -
and it sure could be fun!

I find Dutch to be very much like Danish, when you read it...
Can understand most as long as you see those letters, but then comes the
speaking of it!
Having a lot of problems with those "g's" especially.

>
> Dutch is a cool language, but hey, The Netherlands is a -really- small
> country. In Amsterdam there are many interesting people from abroad
> (artists, designers, dj's, software developers) who don't speak Dutch and
> don't feel the need. Since there are quite some Dutch people, like yours
> truly, who prefer to meet with more internationally oriented people and
> speak English.
>
> Btw, it's pretty cool to see Gregory speak Dutch, or Japanese for that
> matter. When is there going to be another max/msp get-together in these
> parts?
>
> Mattijs
>

I myself, when i relocate to Amsterdam am only going to know my girlfriend and that's it. Also my computer, hahaha

So a get together of Max/MSP users would be great

Good idea man. Share ideas, patches, blah blah blah

I just bought Jitter today, so cant wait to get something going on that

Haha yeah, same here. Two computers and a couple of instruments are

basically the closest I have to friends down here just yet, besides my

girlfriend, which does make a world of a difference... ;)

It sounds like quite a few people could be interested!

Now if we only had some kind of instantanious way of travelling, a sort of

portal....a a, teleporter! I shall commence construction of one at once!

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Lewis G. Edwards wrote:

> I myself, when i relocate to Amsterdam am only going to know my girlfriend

> and that's it. Also my computer, hahaha

> So a get together of Max/MSP users would be great

> Good idea man. Share ideas, patches, blah blah blah

> I just bought Jitter today, so cant wait to get something going on that

Haha yeah, same here. Two computers and a couple of instruments are
basically the closest I have to friends down here just yet, besides my
girlfriend, which does make a world of a difference... ;)

Now if we only had some kind of instantanious way of travelling, a sort of
portal....a  a, teleporter! I shall commence construction of one at once!

>
> I would love that, in all honesty.
>
> I myself, when i relocate to Amsterdam am only going to know my girlfriend
> and that's it. Also my computer, hahaha
>
> So a get together of Max/MSP users would be great
>
> Good idea man. Share ideas, patches, blah blah blah
>
> I just bought Jitter today, so cant wait to get something going on that
> --
> -----
> LGE
> Artist/Producer/Quasi Thinker
> -----
> www.myspace.com/lewisgedwards
> Organic Electronic Music
> -----
>

Quote: dubbilan wrote on Thu, 28 August 2008 17:29

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> Two computers and a couple of instruments are

> basically the closest I have to friends down here just yet, besides my

> girlfriend, which does make a world of a difference... ;)

Haha, that sounds like a desperate urgency for a beer in a social environment. How about this weekend? There is a nice little dj cafe near Dam sqaure I like to visit:

It looks like on Friday and Saturday they have an interesting program. Both evenings would be fine for me. Anyone cares to join? Maybe we can make plans for an official get-together where people bring and demonstrate their work.

Quote: dubbilan wrote on Thu, 28 August 2008 17:29
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> Two computers and a couple of instruments are
> basically the closest I have to friends down here just yet, besides my
> girlfriend, which does make a world of a difference... ;)

Quote: Lewis G. Edwards wrote on Thu, 28 August 2008 16:16

Don't we have the list to share ideas and patches? How about having a beer and a laugh? :D

Quote: Lewis G. Edwards wrote on Thu, 28 August 2008 16:16
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Don't we have the list to share ideas and patches? How about having a beer and a laugh? :D


> Now if we only had some kind of instantanious way of travelling, a sort of

> portal....a a, teleporter! I shall commence construction of one at once!

Seriously though.. We already have someone on this list working on a Mars lander.. Now a teleporter too??? Where is this all going!?

Quote: dubbilan wrote on Thu, 28 August 2008 17:29
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> Now if we only had some kind of instantanious way of travelling, a sort of
> portal....a  a, teleporter! I shall commence construction of one at once!

Seriously though.. We already have someone on this list working on a Mars lander.. Now a teleporter too??? Where is this all going!?


A beer, chatting about patches, a strip bar. It does not matter to me. It just would be nice to meet other Max/MSP users. and even come up with groovy live shows using our computers and max patches

Also will be getting my Dutch For Dummies book in a few days, so will get cracking on that when i get it.

I have about 4 months left here in crappy Dubai until i make my move to Amsterdam, so just looking at the clock

This will be fun, to meet other users and abusers, hahaha

"Hi, my name's Lewis and i'm a Max/MSP user" hahaha

Quote: Lewis G. Edwards wrote on Thu, 28 August 2008 18:34

> "Hi, my name's Lewis and i'm a Max/MSP user" hahaha

Yeah man, the first step is to admit it... Only when you are out of the denial phase you can be helped. Maybe even replace the imaginary girlfriend for a real one... :P

Sounds like a fun plan though. Don't care for the strip bar, but the rest sounds cool.

Quote: Lewis G. Edwards wrote on Thu, 28 August 2008 18:34
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Sounds like a fun plan though. Don't care for the strip bar, but the rest sounds cool.


I'm not quite desperate, but a couple beers is always best to get before it

I live fairly close to Dam square and Friday would fit me very well.

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Mattijs Kneppers wrote:

> Haha, that sounds like a desperate urgency for a beer in a social

> environment. How about this weekend? There is a nice little dj cafe near Dam

> It looks like on Friday and Saturday they have an interesting program. Both

> evenings would be fine for me. Anyone cares to join? Maybe we can make plans

> for an official get-together where people bring and demonstrate their work.

Mattijs,
Sure, I would be up for that!
I'm not quite desperate, but a couple beers is always best to get before it
gets truely urgent I guess... ;)
I live fairly close to Dam square and Friday would fit me very well.

> Haha, that sounds like a desperate urgency for a beer in a social
> environment. How about this weekend? There is a nice little dj cafe near Dam
> sqaure I like to visit:
>
> http://www.thegetawaycafe.com/
>
> It looks like on Friday and Saturday they have an interesting program. Both
> evenings would be fine for me. Anyone cares to join? Maybe we can make plans
> for an official get-together where people bring and demonstrate their work.
>
> Best,
> Mattijs
>

Quote: dubbilan wrote on Thu, 28 August 2008 19:43

> I'm not quite desperate, but a couple beers is always best to get before it

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