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I'm about to go into my 3rd year Creative Music technology degree, and as an Elective we have to create our own Max patch.

For 2nd year I created a simple to use MP3 playback patch to coincide with Ms Pinky vinyl, but this year im a bit stuck on what to do.

I'm thinking about using Ms Pinky again but this time incorporating Jitter, Im wondering if anyone has a good suggestion on what to do, even if it does not include Ms Pinky or Jitter

I'm about to go into my 3rd year Creative Music technology degree, and as an Elective we have to create our own Max patch. 

For 2nd year I created a simple to use MP3 playback patch to coincide with Ms Pinky vinyl, but this year im a bit stuck on what to do. 

I'm thinking about using Ms Pinky again but this time incorporating Jitter,  Im wondering if anyone has a good suggestion on what to do, even if it does not include Ms Pinky or Jitter

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I consulted the Oblique Strategies for you twice, and here are the words 

> I'm about to go into my 3rd year Creative Music technology degree, and as an Elective we have to create our own Max patch. 

> For 2nd year I created a simple to use MP3 playback patch to coincide with Ms Pinky vinyl, but this year im a bit stuck on what to do. 

> I'm thinking about using Ms Pinky again but this time incorporating Jitter, Im wondering if anyone has a good suggestion on what to do, even if it does not include Ms Pinky or Jitter

> any ideas would be greatly appreciated. 

I consulted the Oblique Strategies for you twice, and here are the words 
of the oracle:

Chris Johns wrote:
> Hey everyone, 
>
> I'm about to go into my 3rd year Creative Music technology degree, and as an Elective we have to create our own Max patch. 
>
> For 2nd year I created a simple to use MP3 playback patch to coincide with Ms Pinky vinyl, but this year im a bit stuck on what to do. 
>
> I'm thinking about using Ms Pinky again but this time incorporating Jitter,  Im wondering if anyone has a good suggestion on what to do, even if it does not include Ms Pinky or Jitter
>
> any ideas would be greatly appreciated. 
>


but, if inspiration is failing, look at cool things.

but, if inspiration is failing, look at cool things.
https://cycling74.com/section/indepth
https://cycling74.com/section/tutorials
http://makezine.com/blog/

If I had any time, I would be working on getting

http://cmusphinx.sourceforge.net/sphinx4/

Everyone, by way of consulting the mystic oracles, is indirectly telling 

you that you are in a Creative Music technology degree; the first two 

words of which infer that you have some creative music goals upon which 

you may leverage the power of this technology. We all get coders block, 

but the important part is for you to find your own path through your own 

Any technology, Max/MSP included, is a Waste of Time unless you have a 

You must first have a goal, Grasshopper. What kind of music do you 

make? What kind of music do you _want_ to make? How could you make the 

kind of music you make more reactive, emotional, multi-faceted, 

Whenever you are confronted with a blank canvas sometime it is helpful 

to stop looking at the canvas. Ideally the technology should become 

transparent. Composition, coding, and performance are there separate 

head spaces looking toward a mutual goal.

Ask not what Max can do for you, ask what you can do with Max.

Start with something small and get it working, define its parameters, 

and then modulate these parameters in interesting ways. This will be an 

iterative process where the technology and yourself will create a music 

P.S. OR! Hook up Max to a weather monitoring system to sonify data from 

the atmosphere around the performance venue. Then use all of this data 

to modulate FFT bins that are analyzing the entire Ring Cycle. Drop 

this spectral data into Jitter and use it to drive the hue and luminance 

of "countdown.mov" (in the media folder). Add some random noise (use 

Litter Power for the best looking random values). Then use OpenGl 

(shaders w/ slab would be best) to change the brightness to almost 

black, and display on a 10 screen surround system. Make sure you use an 

barry threw :: sound | (if you would see the stars clearly,

 | look hard at the surrounding darkness)

Everyone, by way of consulting the mystic oracles, is indirectly telling 
you that you are in a Creative Music technology degree; the first two 
words of which infer that you have some creative music goals upon which 
you may leverage the power of this technology.  We all get coders block, 
but the important part is for you to find your own path through your own 
musical ideas.

Any technology, Max/MSP included, is a Waste of Time unless you have a 
need to apply it to.

You must first have a goal, Grasshopper.  What kind of music do you 
make?  What kind of music do you _want_ to make?  How could you make the 
kind of music you make more reactive, emotional, multi-faceted, 
endearing, or interactive?

Whenever you are confronted with a blank canvas sometime it is helpful 
to stop looking at the canvas.  Ideally the technology should become 
transparent.  Composition, coding, and performance are there separate 
head spaces looking toward a mutual goal.

Start with something small and get it working, define its parameters, 
and then modulate these parameters in interesting ways.  This will be an 
iterative process where the technology and yourself will create a music 
greater than the sum of its parts.

P.S. OR!  Hook up Max to a weather monitoring system to sonify data from 
the atmosphere around the performance venue.  Then use all of this data 
to modulate FFT bins that are analyzing the entire Ring Cycle.  Drop 
this spectral data into Jitter and use it to drive the hue and luminance 
of "countdown.mov" (in the media folder).  Add some random noise (use 
Litter Power for the best looking random values).  Then use OpenGl 
(shaders w/ slab would be best) to change the brightness to almost 
black, and display on a 10 screen surround system.  Make sure you use an 
mxj~ object for street cred.

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http://www.barrythrew.com |   look hard at the surrounding darkness)
bthrew(at)gmail(dot)com   |                       -Ooka Makoto
857-544-3967              |


I say, with no doubt, these people are all WRONG WRONG WRONG.

peter how could you be so mean to this person?

you must a patch which loops a live signal. not just any signal, it 

you must loop and loop so your pieces build and build until you have 

I'm snide. I apologize. We can be a bit "heady" here in max land. 

Cycling personnel insist max is for EVERYONE. who knows how old, 

what music you like, or even if you care about this max class. I 

mean you could be in IAR and want to mix bands. there's NO harm in 

that. Theres no reason you can't use max for typical tasks which you 

just can't get done in other environments. It's just that We(I hope 

I can speak for everyone) take pride in using max, and most see it as 

why not build on your ms pinky patch? add some sensors to your set 

up to alter the behavior of your scratching. what if you hit a foot 

pedal and the beats in the mp3s reversed? why not put a piezo sensor 

under your turn table? What if you could record your performance 

and scratch that! add a gyroscope to your coffin and put it on 

pneumatic tubes so you could push it around and change the sound

what if, as the you spin the records faster, your mp3 faded out and a 

second mp3 half as slow faded in, that way no matter how fast you 

spun your records, they would never go chipmunky.

these are dumb ideas but you get the idea.... and stuff

I say, with no doubt, these people are all WRONG WRONG WRONG.
peter how could you be so mean to this person?
you must a patch which loops a live signal. not just any signal, it  
has to be guitar.
you must loop and loop so your pieces build and build until you have  
Steve Reich at the end.

I'm snide. I apologize.  We can be a bit "heady" here in max land.   
Cycling personnel insist max is for EVERYONE.  who knows how old,  
what music you like, or even if you care about this max class.  I  
mean you could be in IAR and want to mix bands. there's NO harm in  
that.  Theres no reason you can't use max for typical tasks which you  
just can't get done in other environments.  It's just that We(I hope  
I can speak for everyone) take pride in using max, and most see it as  
a way to escape Prosumer equipment.

why not build on your ms pinky patch?  add some sensors to your set  
up to alter the behavior of your scratching.  what if you hit a foot  
pedal and the beats in the mp3s reversed?  why not put a piezo sensor  
under your turn table?   What if you could record your performance  
and scratch that!   add a gyroscope to your coffin and put it on  
pneumatic tubes so you could push it around and change the sound
what if, as the you spin the records faster, your mp3 faded out and a  
second mp3 half as slow faded in, that way no matter how fast you  
spun your records, they would never go chipmunky.

Quote: barry threw wrote on Thu, 31 August 2006 17:18

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> P.S. OR! Hook up Max to a weather monitoring system to sonify data from 

> the atmosphere around the performance venue. Then use all of this data 

> to modulate FFT bins that are analyzing the entire Ring Cycle. Drop 

> this spectral data into Jitter and use it to drive the hue and luminance 

> of "countdown.mov" (in the media folder). Add some random noise (use 

> Litter Power for the best looking random values). Then use OpenGl 

> (shaders w/ slab would be best) to change the brightness to almost 

> black, and display on a 10 screen surround system. Make sure you use an 

Don't believe me, eh? We'll, here's the weather bit, as a teaser. You'll need CNMAT objects, Jasch objects, lp.katrina, ...

Quote: barry threw wrote on Thu, 31 August 2006 17:18
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> P.S. OR!  Hook up Max to a weather monitoring system to sonify data from 
> the atmosphere around the performance venue.  Then use all of this data 
> to modulate FFT bins that are analyzing the entire Ring Cycle.  Drop 
> this spectral data into Jitter and use it to drive the hue and luminance 
> of "countdown.mov" (in the media folder).  Add some random noise (use 
> Litter Power for the best looking random values).  Then use OpenGl 
> (shaders w/ slab would be best) to change the brightness to almost 
> black, and display on a 10 screen surround system.  Make sure you use an 
> mxj~ object for street cred.
----------------------------------------------------

Don't believe me, eh?  We'll, here's the weather bit, as a teaser.  You'll need CNMAT objects, Jasch objects, lp.katrina, ...

> I'm thinking about using Ms Pinky again but this time incorporating

> Jitter, Im wondering if anyone has a good suggestion on what to do,

> even if it does not include Ms Pinky or Jitter

Point a camera onto the turntable, imagine how a sound would influence 

the visual, and imagine how the picture of a turning vinyl would treat 

If you neen a name for it, call it "Mental Feedback"

Would make a nice competition model - what ever you come up with, share 

Chris Johns wrote:
> I'm thinking about using Ms Pinky again but this time incorporating
> Jitter,  Im wondering if anyone has a good suggestion on what to do,
> even if it does not include Ms Pinky or Jitter

Point a camera onto the turntable, imagine how a sound would influence 
the visual, and imagine how the picture of a turning vinyl would treat 
the sound.
Then implement it... ;-)

Would make a nice competition model - what ever you come up with, share 
it...

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thanks to everyone for getting involved. I know im on a Creative Music technology degree and my end of year album is well underway, the Max MSp project is a seperate module called interactive technologies which I should have probably emphasised more.

I appreciate that the possibilities of Max MSP are near endless, I also understand that the idea of the program is to aid the user in creating something from their imagination not the programs.

I would like to add that I have also been playing about with the program, learning the coding (only been using MAX for a couple of months) and have managed to come up with some ideas, as Matt mentioned I have been trying to elaborate on the patch that I made for 2nd year,

The reason I came on the forum was to just see if more experienced users had any ideas that I could be thinking about, not asking to borrow code or anything.

Thankyou for your snide comments, greatly appreciated. Good to know that the Max MSp community can be so friendly and helping!!

thanks to everyone for getting involved. I know im on a Creative Music technology degree and my end of year album is well underway, the Max MSp project is a seperate module called interactive technologies which I should have probably emphasised more.  

I would like to add that I have also been playing about with the program, learning the coding (only been using MAX for a couple of months) and have managed to come up with some ideas,  as Matt mentioned I have been trying to elaborate on the patch that I made for 2nd year, 

Thankyou for your snide comments, greatly appreciated. Good to know that the Max MSp community can be so friendly and helping!!


apologies to those people with genuine replies, thankyou for your suggestions

On 1-Sep-2006, at 4:39, matthew aidekman wrote:

> peter how could you be so mean to this person?

Mean? I thought the judgement was pretty encouraging.

>> : It furthers one to cross the great water.

This thread has been like all good oracles: lots of great stuff in 

there, but you do have to dig a little to get it. And all have been 

more applicable than `The one with the power to vanquish the Dark 

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On 1-Sep-2006, at 4:39, matthew aidekman wrote:
> peter how could you be so mean to this person?

>> : WAITING. If you are sincere,
>> : You have light and success.
>> : Perseverance brings good fortune.
>> : It furthers one to cross the great water.

This thread has been like all good oracles: lots of great stuff in  
there, but you do have to dig a little to get it. And all have been  
more applicable than `The one with the power to vanquish the Dark  
Lord approaches...'

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Hrm, you know, I tthought the replies were pretty encouraging too. Maybe they're not what you wanted to hear, but you have to understand, when you get the SPIRIT OF JESUS IN YOU that anything is possible. Amen, you know?

Time to go dismember a bagel and freeze some coffee [for later]. The real pitfall of creativity are the RUSSIANS, you should be blaming them, damn commie bastards.

Time to go dismember a bagel and freeze some coffee [for later].  The real pitfall of creativity are the RUSSIANS, you should be blaming them, damn commie bastards.

At least we start publicly judging instead of silently judging... ;)

Seriously though, Chris, they were all "genuine replies". The more 

vague answers were not motivated out of hubris but simply from trying to 

figure out how the best way to help someone with creative block.

The answers we gave are the same answers many of us would have wanted to 

At least we start publicly judging instead of silently judging...  ;)

Seriously though, Chris, they were all "genuine replies".  The more 
vague answers were not motivated out of hubris but simply from trying to 
figure out how the best way to help someone with creative block.

The answers we gave are the same answers many of us would have wanted to 
get in the same situation.

I think a good approach can also be to look at existing

implementations of processes and try out alternate implementations.

For instance, instead of a harmonizer with a feedback delay (which

produces glisses), what about a harmonizer with a variable feedback

path? Sometimes it goes through effect A (maybe just a delay),

sometimes it goes through effect B (maybe a freqshift~?)

Consider what the strengths of your current implementation are as well

as the weaknesses. See if you can build a system which inverts the

relationship between the two. A record player controlling the speed

of playback is a continuous relationship; see if you can implement a

system where the record player controls the speed of playback

Decoupling input from output can also be a very useful trick; it can

be as simple as having a table which is mostly linear, but has a few

detours here and there. Something else is having modal behaviors.

When in mode X, this scratch does..., when in mode Y, and so on and so

forth. I try to create patches that have a tipping point where the

behavior suddenly changes dramatically; they can be a lot of fun to

I think a good approach can also be to look at existing
implementations of processes and try out alternate implementations.
For instance, instead of a harmonizer with a feedback delay (which
produces glisses), what about a harmonizer with a variable feedback
path?  Sometimes it goes through effect A (maybe just a delay),
sometimes it goes through effect B (maybe a freqshift~?)

Consider what the strengths of your current implementation are as well
as the weaknesses.  See if you can build a system which inverts the
relationship between the two.  A record player controlling the speed
of playback is a continuous relationship; see if you can implement a
system where the record player controls the speed of playback
(...pitch) in a discrete manner.

Decoupling input from output can also be a very useful trick; it can
be as simple as having a table which is mostly linear, but has a few
detours here and there.  Something else is having modal behaviors.
When in mode X, this scratch does..., when in mode Y, and so on and so
forth.  I try to create patches that have a tipping point where the
behavior suddenly changes dramatically; they can be a lot of fun to
play with.

I must admit I was a fan of the oracle, it seemed optimistic it was only when Barry said "Everyone, by way of consulting the mystic oracles, is indirectly telling you that you are in a Creative Music technology degree" I took it that you were all taking the piss and being sarcastic with your answers. So im sorry if ive misread it, and you all had good intentions.

Ive still got 9 months til the project needs to be handed in, so got a lot longer to learn the program, and make something worthwhile. Still new to making the patches though, was watching Leafcutter john at work, and hes got some pretty freaky patches especially his game controller.

Ps Stefan said: Point a camera onto the turntable, imagine how a sound would influence 

I was thinking of using motion tracking using CVJIt I think and pointing a camcorder at the audience as Im doing a DJ set so their motion could somehow control a certain parameter, that was athought anyway :)

 Ive still got 9 months til the project needs to be handed in, so got a lot longer to learn the program, and make something worthwhile. Still new to making the patches though,  was watching Leafcutter john at work, and hes got some pretty freaky patches especially his game controller.  

Ps Stefan said: Point a camera onto the turntable, imagine how a sound would influence 
the visual, and imagine how the picture of a turning vinyl would treat 
the sound.
Then implement it... ;-)     

I was thinking of using motion tracking using CVJIt I think and pointing a camcorder at the audience as Im doing a DJ set so their motion could somehow control a certain parameter, that was athought anyway  :)


Yeah. Please don't make the mistake of attributing my ill advised sense 

of humor for the rest of the hive mind. I'm the only asshole in this 

It was all tongue in cheek. I should have thrown in a ;) for good measure.

The best of luck to you. We've all been there.

> I must admit I was a fan of the oracle, it seemed optimistic it was only when Barry said "Everyone, by way of consulting the mystic oracles, is indirectly telling you that you are in a Creative Music technology degree" I took it that you were all taking the piss and being sarcastic with your answers. So im sorry if ive misread it, and you all had good intentions.

> Ive still got 9 months til the project needs to be handed in, so got a lot longer to learn the program, and make something worthwhile. Still new to making the patches though, was watching Leafcutter john at work, and hes got some pretty freaky patches especially his game controller. 

Yeah.  Please don't make the mistake of attributing my ill advised sense 
of humor for the rest of the hive mind.  I'm the only asshole in this 
thread.

It was all tongue in cheek.  I should have thrown in a ;) for good measure.

The best of luck to you.  We've all been there.

Chris Johns wrote:
> Hey guys, 
>
> I must admit I was a fan of the oracle, it seemed optimistic it was only when Barry said "Everyone, by way of consulting the mystic oracles, is indirectly telling you that you are in a Creative Music technology degree" I took it that you were all taking the piss and being sarcastic with your answers. So im sorry if ive misread it, and you all had good intentions.
>
>
>  Ive still got 9 months til the project needs to be handed in, so got a lot longer to learn the program, and make something worthwhile. Still new to making the patches though,  was watching Leafcutter john at work, and hes got some pretty freaky patches especially his game controller.  
>
>
> Cheers for all the comments
>

Degree Work,