ComfortableInClouds

hi - not a question directly related to max but thought the good people of this forum might be able to help me out.

I just purchased the beautiful BCF2000 by Behringer and am very excited about it. However, I am messing around with the endless rotary knobs, and tho they are endless, they still stop at 127 in Max. Do I somehow have to route the information from this knob through OSC for it to give me a +1/-1 instead of 0-127? If so, how do I do that?

endless-rotary-knobs

not with the Behringer but i used accum (or incdec) with unlimited

theres also an object from the excellent f0 lib for detecting

direction of incoming values and split to different outlets(

On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 2:08 AM, Kyle Kaplan wrote:

> hi - not a question directly related to max but thought the good people of this forum might be able to help me out.

> I just purchased the beautiful BCF2000 by Behringer and am very excited about it. However, I am messing around with the endless rotary knobs, and tho they are endless, they still stop at 127 in Max. Do I somehow have to route the information from this knob through OSC for it to give me a +1/-1 instead of 0-127? If so, how do I do that?

not with the Behringer but i used accum (or incdec) with unlimited
rotary encoders.
theres also an object from the excellent f0 lib for detecting
direction of incoming values and split to different outlets(
f0.inc_dec_split)

On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 2:08 AM, Kyle Kaplan  wrote:
>
> hi - not a question directly related to max but thought the good people of this forum might be able to help me out.
>
> I just purchased the beautiful BCF2000 by Behringer and am very excited about it. However, I am messing around with the endless rotary knobs, and tho they are endless, they still stop at 127 in Max. Do I somehow have to route the information from this knob through OSC for it to give me a +1/-1 instead of 0-127? If so, how do I do that?
> --
> -k.


You have to set the knob on the Behringer to send relative values. I think you hold down the edit button and then twist the knob you want to change.

save as f0.rotary (i'll add it to my lib one day).

> hi - not a question directly related to max but thought the good 

> people of this forum might be able to help me out.

> I just purchased the beautiful BCF2000 by Behringer and am very 

> excited about it. However, I am messing around with the endless 

> rotary knobs, and tho they are endless, they still stop at 127 in 

> Max. Do I somehow have to route the information from this knob 

> through OSC for it to give me a +1/-1 instead of 0-127? If so, how 

fredrikolofsson.com klippav.org musicalfieldsforever.com

maybe this is useful.
save as f0.rotary (i'll add it to my lib one day).

>
> hi - not a question directly related to max but thought the good  
> people of this forum might be able to help me out.
>
> I just purchased the beautiful BCF2000 by Behringer and am very  
> excited about it. However, I am messing around with the endless  
> rotary knobs, and tho they are endless, they still stop at 127 in  
> Max. Do I somehow have to route the information from this knob  
> through OSC for it to give me a +1/-1 instead of 0-127? If so, how  
> do I do that?
> --
> -k.

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Quote: werner.funk wrote on Thu, 18 September 2008 08:47

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> endless or not, if you use midi or any midirelated transmission 

> protocol such as HUI or Mackie control, the maximum value transmitted 

Actually, the Mackie control spec does not cap the range at all. The VPot rotary encoders send +/- deltas on a midi controller. It's up to the receiving software to accumulate the changes. It can accumulate this value to whatever range of numbers it wants to.

Quote: werner.funk wrote on Thu, 18 September 2008 08:47
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> endless or not, if you use midi or any midirelated transmission  
> protocol such as HUI or Mackie control, the maximum value transmitted  
> will be 127 (not for xbendin/out!). 
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the behringer has an option for either 0-127 or increment/decrement.

figured it out after talking to the company and having them email me a more in depth programming guide than what the product comes with.

Quote: ComfortableInClouds wrote on Fri, 19 September 2008 11:30

> figured it out after talking to the company and having them email me a more in depth programming guide than what the product comes with.

Oooh! Is that different from the documents found on the product page: 

http://www.behringer.com/BCF2000/index.cfm

Any chance you could share? (Feel free to email it to me directly if you have nowhere to post it)

Quote: ComfortableInClouds wrote on Fri, 19 September 2008 11:30
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> figured it out after talking to the company and having them email me a more in depth programming guide than what the product comes with.
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Oooh! Is that different from the documents found on the product page: http://www.behringer.com/BCF2000/index.cfm

Any chance you could share? (Feel free to email it to me directly if you have nowhere to post it)


I'd also be interested in seeing your 'in-depth guide' from Behringer if possible.

here's the guides the company support emailed me. i took a quick glance at one and it instantly answered my question, so I haven't really looked at the others, but perhaps there's something of interest in them. enjoi!

http://www.wikisend.com/download/928762/BCF%20GUIDES.zip

here's the guides the company support emailed me. i took a quick glance at one and it instantly answered my question, so I haven't really looked at the others,  but perhaps there's something of interest in them. enjoi!

http://www.wikisend.com/download/928762/BCF%20GUIDES.zip


I'm developing a set of patches to read from the BCF2000 in HUI mode and back from the DAW.

The BCF2000 sends Vpots increments over MIDI controllers 64 to 71 as a 6 bit signed format (01h is one counterclockwise, 41h is one clockwise).I've never seen values exceed the -15..+15 range.

The host sends back accumulated values (pans or whatever) over MIDI controllers 16 to 23 as a 0..12 value (matching to the number of LEDS) with 6 as center position and a tweak: bit 4 is set at center position 46h).

The fun thing is that i read both BCF to DAW data and DAW to BCF data by assigning ctlin to BCF2000's MIDI port, and i don't understand why.My DAW is ProTools.

Quote: ComfortableInClouds wrote on Sun, 21 September 2008 10:51

> here's the guides the company support emailed me. i took a quick glance at one and it instantly answered my question, so I haven't really looked at the others, but perhaps there's something of interest in them. enjoi!

Quote: ComfortableInClouds wrote on Sun, 21 September 2008 10:51
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> here's the guides the company support emailed me. i took a quick glance at one and it instantly answered my question, so I haven't really looked at the others,  but perhaps there's something of interest in them. enjoi!
>
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but the link is dead now, can you give me

but the link is dead now, can you give me
a fresh link?

I need to do the exact same with
the knob...(to rotate sounds in a
4 speaker setup)


Quote: Yurki (Jerke) wrote on Fri, 05 December 2008 14:37

> but the link is dead now, can you give me

Everything is on behringer.com, it's just not immediately obvious where to find it.

See that "B-CONTROL Downloads" link on the right? Go there and scroll down to the "Documents" section to find a bunch of pdf downloads. I think the "programming guide" is the one people are calling the "in depth guide". 

Quote: Yurki (Jerke) wrote on Fri, 05 December 2008 14:37
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> sounds great, this in depth guide!
>
> but the link is dead now, can you give me
> a fresh link?
>
> I need to do the exact same with
> the knob...(to rotate sounds in a
> 4 speaker setup)
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Start at the product page: http://www.behringer.com/BCF2000/index.cfm

See that "B-CONTROL Downloads" link on the right? Go there and scroll down to the "Documents" section to find a bunch of pdf downloads. I think the "programming guide" is the one people are calling the "in depth guide". 


Endless Rotary Knobs?