Lylt

This post follows on from the one about the max demo crashing.

I have sorted out that, but I still can't save and then re-load the granular external successfully...

This post follows on from the one about the max demo crashing. 

gtk-external-wont-save

> I have sorted out that, but I still can't save and then re-load the 

I am not sure I understand what you mean by this. Can you describe 

On Apr 14, 2007, at 5:56 AM, Lylt wrote:
> I have sorted out that, but I still can't save and then re-load the  
> granular external successfully...

I am not sure I understand what you mean by this.  Can you describe  
the problem in greater detail?

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Nathan Wolek, PhD --- nwolek@stetson.edu
Assistant Professor of Music Technology
Stetson University - DeLand, FL
http://www.nathanwolek.com

I open up the gran.space.file2 external, play around with it for a while;

save as.... then when I close it down and re-open it, nothing will play... the sample position slider looses its steps and just flicks from one side straight to the other, then when I hit 'stop' the whole program closes down and I have to start again!

All of the patcher's I have saved using the external do this when I re-open them.

> save as.... then when I close it down and re-open it, nothing will 

> play... the sample position slider looses its steps and just flicks 

> from one side straight to the other, then when I hit 'stop' the 

> whole program closes down and I have to start again!

I believe may be mis-using some Max terminology and that is making it 

difficult to decipher what you are telling me. I think you mean that 

you are playing with the help file, right?

If you "save as" to a new location, it is possible that the [buffer~] 

cannot find the sound file for sampling. Usually the slider behavior 

you describe happens when nothing is loaded in the designated [buffer~].

As for the subsequent crash, I am not sure. What platform are you 

on? Do you have the latest version of the GTK? I have had some 

reports of [grain.phase~] crashing on XP. This is the external that 

is at the heart of the [gran.space2.file~] abstraction.

On Apr 14, 2007, at 9:26 AM, Lylt wrote:
> save as.... then when I close it down and re-open it, nothing will  
> play... the sample position slider looses its steps and just flicks  
> from one side straight to the other, then when I hit 'stop' the  
> whole program closes down and I have to start again!

I believe may be mis-using some Max terminology and that is making it  
difficult to decipher what you are telling me.  I think you mean that  
you are playing with the help file, right?

If you "save as" to a new location, it is possible that the [buffer~]  
cannot find the sound file for sampling.  Usually the slider behavior  
you describe happens when nothing is loaded in the designated [buffer~].

As for the subsequent crash, I am not sure.  What platform are you  
on?  Do you have the latest version of the GTK?  I have had some  
reports of [grain.phase~] crashing on XP.  This is the external that  
is at the heart of the [gran.space2.file~] abstraction.

Apologies for my mis-use of MAX terminology, but I am very new to the program so it doesn't come particularly easily to me.

I was saving the help file as you assumed, but having copied it to a new patcher, I still have the same problem of it not working when I re-load the saved file. It could very well be that it cannot find the sound file for the [buffer~], so how would I go about correcting this so I can modify, save and move the new patcher?

I downloaded the Granular toolkit that was updated on 19th March 2007, according to;

so I assume this is the most up to date version, but I am using it on XP, so perhaps this is the problem. Is there any way around it?

I was saving the help file as you assumed, but having copied it to a new patcher, I still have the same problem of it not working when I re-load the saved file. It could very well be that it cannot find the sound file for the [buffer~], so how would I go about correcting this so I can  modify, save and move the new patcher?

> so how would I go about correcting this so I can modify, save and 

c) when you move the sample position slider

On terminology: hey we all had to learn it. One of the best ways is 

by reading the list/foums everyday. Consider it the Max version of 

On XP: I do not use this platform. I do not plan on using the 

platform. My reports of how my externals function on this platform 

are all second-hand. There are XP GTK users on this list. Perhaps 

On Apr 15, 2007, at 8:17 AM, Lylt wrote:
> so how would I go about correcting this so I can  modify, save and  
> move the new patcher?

When specifically does it crash?
a) when you open the patch
b) when you turn on the [dac~] for MSP
c) when you move the sample position slider
d) other

On terminology: hey we all had to learn it.  One of the best ways is  
by reading the list/foums everyday.  Consider it the Max version of  
immersion.

On XP: I do not use this platform.  I do not plan on using the  
platform.  My reports of how my externals function on this platform  
are all second-hand.  There are XP GTK users on this list.  Perhaps  
one will chime in?

I hear nothing at all... maybe change some of the parameters in the hope it may spring into life...

then I hit 'stop' and it closes, its like 'stop' is the end program button...

obviously I understand its difficult to troubleshoot if you don't use XP, so if anyone has any idea it would be very much appreciated....

otherwise, does anyone know of a granular external I could work with? I'm doing this as part of a project for my final dissertation and the deadline is uncomfortably close, so if anyone knows of an external I could use that would be great (unfortunately I am not comfortable enough with the program to build something from scratch)

so... I open the patch and hit 'start'.. 

I hear nothing at all... maybe change some of the parameters in the hope it may spring into life... 

> so... I open the patch and hit 'start'..

> I hear nothing at all... maybe change some of the parameters in the 

> then I hit 'stop' and it closes, its like 'stop' is the end program 

I thought you said it was crashing Max? Not anymore? Are there any 

The no sound is because you don't have a sound file loaded. After 

you move the help file, the patch is separated from the sound file. 

You can load a new one by first double-clicking on the 

[gran.space2.file~] object to reveal its interface, then click the 

"load samp" button. Let me know if that gets you sound at least.

I would recommend that you download the paper from my website that 

nathanwolek/papers/wolek_journalSEAMUS2002.pdf

On Apr 15, 2007, at 2:38 PM, Lylt wrote:
> so... I open the patch and hit 'start'..
> I hear nothing at all... maybe change some of the parameters in the  
> hope it may spring into life...
> then I hit 'stop' and it closes, its like 'stop' is the end program  
> button...

I thought you said it was crashing Max?  Not anymore?  Are there any  
errors in the Max window?

The no sound is because you don't have a sound file loaded.  After  
you move the help file, the patch is separated from the sound file.   
You can load a new one by first double-clicking on the  
[gran.space2.file~] object to reveal its interface, then click the  
"load samp" button.  Let me know if that gets you sound at least.

I would recommend that you download the paper from my website that  
describes how to use the toolkit: http://www.lowkeydigitalstudio.com/ 
nathanwolek/papers/wolek_journalSEAMUS2002.pdf

sorry, i was under the impression that a 'crash' was a software (or hardware) error that causes a program to freeze or abort without warning - sorry if I wasnt clear.

The program closure is less frequent and I think it may be related to my ram, so I will try and sort that out...

I have found the soundfile already and it appears to be working - but thankyou for your time and assistance.

> sorry, i was under the impression that a 'crash' was a software (or 

> hardware) error that causes a program to freeze or abort without 

When I started reading your thread, I thought your 'crash' meant that 

(a) Max would quit unexpectedly. The more I conversed with you, it 

seemed like you were saying (b) the sound stopped. (a) is not normal 

Hopefully, you have worked it out. Thanks for your interest in my 

On Apr 16, 2007, at 5:18 AM, Lylt wrote:
> sorry, i was under the impression that a 'crash' was a software (or  
> hardware) error that causes a program to freeze or abort without  
> warning - sorry if I wasnt clear.

When I started reading your thread, I thought your 'crash' meant that  
(a) Max would quit unexpectedly.  The more I conversed with you, it  
seemed like you were saying (b) the sound stopped.  (a) is not normal  
behavior, but (b) is.

Hopefully, you have worked it out.  Thanks for your interest in my  
externals!

-------------------
Nathan Wolek, PhD --- nwolek@stetson.edu
Assistant Professor of Music Technology
Stetson University - DeLand, FL
http://www.nathanwolek.com


GTK external wont save :(