kelsmusic

I really can't at this time tell you the full story but here it is in a 

I own a Hammond XK1, great keyboard for Hammond sounds and a few extra 

patches to boot (vintage keys etc). I'm trying to send system exclusive 

messages to change some parameters via max. As the manual calls some of 

the parameters NRPN (Non-Registered Parameter Number(s)), so I can't go 

So what I am asking is has anyone had any experience with the XK1 in 

the area of system exclusive, and as far as system exclusive goes I'm 

having a little trouble...well a lot of trouble in trying to piece 

together the right combination of numbers using the appendix in the 

I really can't at this time tell you the full story but here it is in a 
nutshell:

I own a Hammond XK1, great keyboard for Hammond sounds and a few extra 
patches to boot (vintage keys etc). I'm trying to send system exclusive 
messages to change some parameters via max. As the manual calls some of 
the parameters NRPN (Non-Registered Parameter Number(s)), so I can't go 
changes settings via ctlin.

So what I am asking is has anyone had any experience with the XK1 in 
the area of system exclusive, and as far as system exclusive goes I'm 
having a little trouble...well a lot of trouble in trying to piece 
together the right combination of numbers using the appendix in the 
back of the XK1 instruction manual.

hammond-xk1

>I really can't at this time tell you the full story but here it is 

>I own a Hammond XK1, great keyboard for Hammond sounds and a few 

>extra patches to boot (vintage keys etc). I'm trying to send system 

>exclusive messages to change some parameters via max. As the manual 

>calls some of the parameters NRPN (Non-Registered Parameter 

>Number(s)), so I can't go changes settings via ctlin.

>So what I am asking is has anyone had any experience with the XK1 in 

>the area of system exclusive, and as far as system exclusive goes 

>I'm having a little trouble...well a lot of trouble in trying to 

>piece together the right combination of numbers using the appendix 

>in the back of the XK1 instruction manual.

you want to receive info from your hammond in Max, and it sends sysex 

which ctlin does not understand, right???

if so use midiin - i never used it with a hammond, but received sysex 

info from different hardware devices with midiin

>Hi all,
>
>I really can't at this time tell you the full story but here it is 
>in a nutshell:
>
>I own a Hammond XK1, great keyboard for Hammond sounds and a few 
>extra patches to boot (vintage keys etc). I'm trying to send system 
>exclusive messages to change some parameters via max. As the manual 
>calls some of the parameters NRPN (Non-Registered Parameter 
>Number(s)), so I can't go changes settings via ctlin.
>
>So what I am asking is has anyone had any experience with the XK1 in 
>the area of system exclusive, and as far as system exclusive goes 
>I'm having a little trouble...well a lot of trouble in trying to 
>piece together the right combination of numbers using the appendix 
>in the back of the XK1 instruction manual.
>

you want to receive info from your hammond in Max, and it sends sysex 
which ctlin does not understand, right???

if so use midiin - i never used it with a hammond, but received sysex 
info from different hardware devices with midiin

kasper
-- 
  Kasper T. Toeplitz
noise, composition, bass, computer
http://www.sleazeArt.com

XG-MIDI-tools might be of use to you. Originally designed for the Yamaha 

XG MIDI standard, it can be used to send NRPN messages to the module. It 

is all done as abstractions, so even if your synth use different SysEx 

messages, you might be able to get some inspiration looking at the 

abstractions for sending XG sysex messages. Found here:

AFAIR jasch also has made externals or abstractions for sending NRPN. 

> I really can't at this time tell you the full story but here it is in 

> I own a Hammond XK1, great keyboard for Hammond sounds and a few extra 

> patches to boot (vintage keys etc). I'm trying to send system 

> exclusive messages to change some parameters via max. As the manual 

> calls some of the parameters NRPN (Non-Registered Parameter 

> Number(s)), so I can't go changes settings via ctlin.

> So what I am asking is has anyone had any experience with the XK1 in 

> the area of system exclusive, and as far as system exclusive goes I'm 

> having a little trouble...well a lot of trouble in trying to piece 

> together the right combination of numbers using the appendix in the 

XG-MIDI-tools might be of use to you. Originally designed for the Yamaha 
XG MIDI standard, it can be used to send NRPN messages to the module. It 
is all done as abstractions, so even if your synth use different SysEx 
messages, you might be able to get some inspiration looking at the 
abstractions for sending XG sysex messages. Found here:

AFAIR jasch also has made externals or abstractions for sending NRPN. 
Search maxobjects.com for more info.

Kelly Ottaway wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I really can't at this time tell you the full story but here it is in 
> a nutshell:
>
> I own a Hammond XK1, great keyboard for Hammond sounds and a few extra 
> patches to boot (vintage keys etc). I'm trying to send system 
> exclusive messages to change some parameters via max. As the manual 
> calls some of the parameters NRPN (Non-Registered Parameter 
> Number(s)), so I can't go changes settings via ctlin.
>
> So what I am asking is has anyone had any experience with the XK1 in 
> the area of system exclusive, and as far as system exclusive goes I'm 
> having a little trouble...well a lot of trouble in trying to piece 
> together the right combination of numbers using the appendix in the 
> back of the XK1 instruction manual.
>
> Hope to hear from someone soon.
>
> Kel


I did find it a little confusing, more confronting as to how little I 

know about system exclusive messaging. I think the main problem I have 

is decifering the tables and tables of system exclusive parameters in 

the back of the Hammond instruction manual.

Any advice in that area, as to what I should be looking for eg Device 

ID, LSB, MSB? My problem is putting it into some sought of order that 

can be read by my keyboard. I had a crack at the sxformat object, with 

no success. I suppose it comes down to do I have the right tool for the 

Again, any help, suggestions gladly taken on board.

On 24/12/2006, at 10:37 PM, Trond Lossius wrote:

> XG-MIDI-tools might be of use to you. Originally designed for the 

> Yamaha XG MIDI standard, it can be used to send NRPN messages to the 

> module. It is all done as abstractions, so even if your synth use 

> different SysEx messages, you might be able to get some inspiration 

> looking at the abstractions for sending XG sysex messages. Found here:

> AFAIR jasch also has made externals or abstractions for sending NRPN. 

>> I really can't at this time tell you the full story but here it is in 

>> I own a Hammond XK1, great keyboard for Hammond sounds and a few 

>> extra patches to boot (vintage keys etc). I'm trying to send system 

>> exclusive messages to change some parameters via max. As the manual 

>> calls some of the parameters NRPN (Non-Registered Parameter 

>> Number(s)), so I can't go changes settings via ctlin.

>> So what I am asking is has anyone had any experience with the XK1 in 

>> the area of system exclusive, and as far as system exclusive goes I'm 

>> having a little trouble...well a lot of trouble in trying to piece 

>> together the right combination of numbers using the appendix in the 

I did find it a little confusing, more confronting as to how little I 
know about system exclusive messaging. I think the main problem I have 
is decifering the tables and tables of system exclusive parameters in 
the back of the Hammond instruction manual.

Any advice in that area, as to what I should be looking for eg Device 
ID, LSB, MSB? My problem is putting it into some sought of order that 
can be read by my keyboard. I had a crack at the sxformat object, with 
no success. I suppose it comes down to do I have the right tool for the 
job or am I the tool in the wrong job?

> XG-MIDI-tools might be of use to you. Originally designed for the 
> Yamaha XG MIDI standard, it can be used to send NRPN messages to the 
> module. It is all done as abstractions, so even if your synth use 
> different SysEx messages, you might be able to get some inspiration 
> looking at the abstractions for sending XG sysex messages. Found here:
>
> http://www.bek.no/~lossius/download
>
> AFAIR jasch also has made externals or abstractions for sending NRPN. 
> Search maxobjects.com for more info.
>
> Best,
> Trond
>
>
>
> Kelly Ottaway wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I really can't at this time tell you the full story but here it is in 
>> a nutshell:
>>
>> I own a Hammond XK1, great keyboard for Hammond sounds and a few 
>> extra patches to boot (vintage keys etc). I'm trying to send system 
>> exclusive messages to change some parameters via max. As the manual 
>> calls some of the parameters NRPN (Non-Registered Parameter 
>> Number(s)), so I can't go changes settings via ctlin.
>>
>> So what I am asking is has anyone had any experience with the XK1 in 
>> the area of system exclusive, and as far as system exclusive goes I'm 
>> having a little trouble...well a lot of trouble in trying to piece 
>> together the right combination of numbers using the appendix in the 
>> back of the XK1 instruction manual.
>>
>> Hope to hear from someone soon.
>>
>> Kel
>


tell us which parameter you want to change

https://www.suzuki-music.co.jp/en/pdf/xk_1.pdf

The link above goes to the PDF of the entire user manual.

What I am trying to do is change the slow speed of the Drum and HOrn in 

the Leslie Speaker and to change the speed up/slow down time of the 

Leslie. I would usually save them to the internal memory of the hammond 

but I only recieved it a couple of days ago. I have a festival to play 

at in the next couple of weeks and the backup memory is faulty, not 

saving anything. What I was hoping to do would be to compile the data 

in max and transfer it at the gig and then it would be good to go, 

What I should do is send it back to the dealer, but I won't et it back 

On 24/12/2006, at 11:39 PM, don malone wrote:

> tell us which parameter you want to change

http://faculty.roosevelt.edu/malone/default.htm

What I am trying to do is change the slow speed of the Drum and HOrn in 
the Leslie Speaker and to change the speed up/slow down time of the 
Leslie. I would usually save them to the internal memory of the hammond 
but I only recieved it a couple of days ago. I have a festival to play 
at in the next couple of weeks and the backup memory is faulty, not 
saving anything. What I was hoping to do would be to compile the data 
in max and transfer it at the gig and then it would be good to go, 
until next time I play.

What I should do is send it back to the dealer, but I won't et it back 
in time for my gigs.

>
> tell us which parameter you want to change
>
> post a table
> or a link to the manual
>
> --
> it takes all of us
> LoneMonad
> http://faculty.roosevelt.edu/malone/default.htm
>


At 11:55 PM +1100 12/24/06, Kelly Ottaway wrote:

>The link above goes to the PDF of the entire user manual.

It looks like the table on the top of page 100 is all that you need, although I don't understand the distinction between "NRPN on XK" and "NRPN on 21", and the other mention I found of this on page 84 didn't help elucidate me. I would try sending the NRPNs both ways and see what works on your unit.

Chris Muir | "There are many futures and only one status quo.

cbm@well.com | This is why conservatives mostly agree,

 | and radicals always argue." - Brian Eno

At 11:55 PM +1100 12/24/06, Kelly Ottaway wrote:
>https://www.suzuki-music.co.jp/en/pdf/xk_1.pdf
>
>The link above goes to the PDF of the entire user manual.

-- 
Chris Muir           | "There are many futures and only one status quo.
cbm@well.com         |  This is why conservatives mostly agree,
http://www.xfade.com |  and radicals always argue." - Brian Eno


Yeah, page 100 looks like what I need, but putting it into some idea of 

sequence that the Hammond will understand is difficult - I'm having a 

bit of trouble trying work out what goes where int he sequence. This 

what I have got using the sxformat object, it's not in hex:

sxformat 240 85 98 6 99 1/ is $i1 % 99 / 247

As you can see, I've ripped off the example in tutorial 34 as a start, 

but I have a feeling that it could be a completely different ball game 

On 25/12/2006, at 5:10 AM, Chris Muir wrote:

> At 11:55 PM +1100 12/24/06, Kelly Ottaway wrote:

>> The link above goes to the PDF of the entire user manual.

> It looks like the table on the top of page 100 is all that you need, 

> although I don't understand the distinction between "NRPN on XK" and 

> "NRPN on 21", and the other mention I found of this on page 84 didn't 

> help elucidate me. I would try sending the NRPNs both ways and see 

> Chris Muir | "There are many futures and only one status quo.

> cbm@well.com | This is why conservatives mostly agree,

Yeah, page 100 looks like what I need, but putting it into some idea of 
sequence that the Hammond will understand is difficult - I'm having a 
bit of trouble trying work out what goes where int he sequence. This 
what I have got using the sxformat object, it's not in hex:

As you can see, I've ripped off the example in tutorial 34 as a start, 
but I have a feeling that it could be a completely different ball game 
to this.

> At 11:55 PM +1100 12/24/06, Kelly Ottaway wrote:
>> https://www.suzuki-music.co.jp/en/pdf/xk_1.pdf
>>
>> The link above goes to the PDF of the entire user manual.
>
> It looks like the table on the top of page 100 is all that you need, 
> although I don't understand the distinction between "NRPN on XK" and 
> "NRPN on 21", and the other mention I found of this on page 84 didn't 
> help elucidate me. I would try sending the NRPNs both ways and see 
> what works on your unit.
>
>  - C
>
> -- 
> Chris Muir           | "There are many futures and only one status quo.
> cbm@well.com         |  This is why conservatives mostly agree,
> http://www.xfade.com |  and radicals always argue." - Brian Eno
>


Ah, NRPNs are not sysex. It's a series of controller messages. The 

first two select which parameter is to be addressed, and then the 

data controller effects the addressed destination. I have to run out 

to dinner right now, but I'll whip up a simple example later tonight.

Ah, NRPNs are not sysex. It's a series of controller messages. The 
first two select which parameter is to be addressed, and then the 
data controller effects the addressed destination. I have to run out 
to dinner right now, but I'll whip up a simple example later tonight.

That would be fantastic! Thank-you for your help.

On 25/12/2006, at 1:04 PM, Chris Muir wrote:

> Ah, NRPNs are not sysex. It's a series of controller messages. The 

> first two select which parameter is to be addressed, and then the data 

> controller effects the addressed destination. I have to run out to 

> dinner right now, but I'll whip up a simple example later tonight.

Kel
On 25/12/2006, at 1:04 PM, Chris Muir wrote:

>
> Ah, NRPNs are not sysex. It's a series of controller messages. The 
> first two select which parameter is to be addressed, and then the data 
> controller effects the addressed destination. I have to run out to 
> dinner right now, but I'll whip up a simple example later tonight.
>
> -C
>
> -- 
> Chris Muir           | "There are many futures and only one status quo.
> cbm@well.com         |  This is why conservatives mostly agree,
> http://www.xfade.com |  and radicals always argue." - Brian Eno
>


At 3:28 PM +1100 12/25/06, Kelly Ottaway wrote:

>That would be fantastic! Thank-you for your help.

- I have no way of testing this with anything that receives NRPNs, much less your keyboard.

- It's been a while since I did anything w/ NRPNs or RPNs, this may be wrong in some detail.

- There are certainly more elegant ways to do this.

That said, I think it has a shot of working for you, or at least steering you in the right direction.

At 3:28 PM +1100 12/25/06, Kelly Ottaway wrote:
>That would be fantastic! Thank-you for your help.

OK, a couple things to keep in mind:
 - I have no way of testing this with anything that receives NRPNs, much less your keyboard.
 - It's been a while since I did anything w/ NRPNs or RPNs, this may be wrong in some detail.
 - There are certainly more elegant ways to do this.

At 11:26 PM -0800 12/24/06, Chris Muir wrote:

> - I have no way of testing this with anything that receives NRPNs, much less your keyboard.

> - It's been a while since I did anything w/ NRPNs or RPNs, this may be wrong in some detail.

> - There are certainly more elegant ways to do this.

I had a boneheaded error in the previous patch (decimal/hex confusion on controller numbers).

At 11:26 PM -0800 12/24/06, Chris Muir wrote:
>OK, a couple things to keep in mind:
> - I have no way of testing this with anything that receives NRPNs, much less your keyboard.
> - It's been a while since I did anything w/ NRPNs or RPNs, this may be wrong in some detail.
> - There are certainly more elegant ways to do this.

I had a boneheaded error in the previous patch (decimal/hex confusion on controller numbers).
Try this one, instead:

Thanks Chris. I'll give this version a shot.

To everyone on the list I have a simple question: How do you get text 

to convert into a patch? I'm running version 4.5.4 of max so it doesn't 

On 26/12/2006, at 8:26 AM, Chris Muir wrote:

> At 11:26 PM -0800 12/24/06, Chris Muir wrote:

>> - I have no way of testing this with anything that receives NRPNs, 

>> - It's been a while since I did anything w/ NRPNs or RPNs, this may 

>> - There are certainly more elegant ways to do this.

> I had a boneheaded error in the previous patch (decimal/hex confusion 

> #P hidden number 388 85 35 9 0 255 19 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 

> #P hidden number 388 59 35 9 0 255 3 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 

> #P hidden newex 405 72 62 196617 prepend set;

> #P comment 130 108 90 196617 NRPN Destination;

> #P user uslider 49 123 18 75 128 1 0 0;

> #P hidden newex 198 86 30 196617 t b s;

> #P hidden newex 275 55 40 196617 t b b b;

> #P user umenu 133 122 105 196647 1 64 138 1;

> #P number 133 213 35 9 0 127 3 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0;

> #P number 276 213 35 9 0 127 3 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0;

> #P number 148 235 35 9 0 127 19 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0;

> #P number 291 235 35 9 0 127 19 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0;

> #P number 49 231 46 12 0 127 3 3 27 40 221 221 221 221 0 0 0 255 255 

To everyone on the list I have a simple question: How do you get text 
to convert into a patch? I'm running version 4.5.4 of max so it doesn't 
have latest in converting techniques.

> At 11:26 PM -0800 12/24/06, Chris Muir wrote:
>> OK, a couple things to keep in mind:
>> - I have no way of testing this with anything that receives NRPNs, 
>> much less your keyboard.
>> - It's been a while since I did anything w/ NRPNs or RPNs, this may 
>> be wrong in some detail.
>> - There are certainly more elegant ways to do this.
>
> I had a boneheaded error in the previous patch (decimal/hex confusion 
> on controller numbers).
> Try this one, instead:
>
> #P window setfont "Sans Serif" 9.;
> #P hidden number 388 85 35 9 0 255 19 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 
> 0 0 0;
> #P hidden number 388 59 35 9 0 255 3 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 
> 0 0;
> #P window linecount 1;
> #P hidden newex 405 72 62 196617 prepend set;
> #P comment 130 108 90 196617 NRPN Destination;
> #P user uslider 49 123 18 75 128 1 0 0;
> #P hidden newex 198 86 30 196617 t b s;
> #P hidden newex 275 55 40 196617 t b b b;
> #P comment 50 274 27 196617 Data;
> #P hidden message 64 233 14 196617 6;
> #P user umenu 133 122 105 196647 1 64 138 1;
> #X add Slow Speed Horn;
> #X add Slow Speed Bass;
> #X add Fast Speed Horn;
> #X add Fast Speed Bass;
> #X add Rise Time Horn;
> #X add Rise Time Bass;
> #X add Fall Time Horn;
> #X add Fall Time Bass;
> #X add Brake Time Horn;
> #X add Brake Time Bass;
> #X add Volume Horn;
> #X add Volume Bass;
> #X add Mic. Angle;
> #X add Mic. Distance;
> #X add Horn Character;
> #P comment 309 214 106 196617
> #P hidden message 135 103 14 196617 0;
> #P number 133 213 35 9 0 127 3 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0;
> #P number 276 213 35 9 0 127 3 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0;
> #P number 148 235 35 9 0 127 19 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0;
> #P number 291 235 35 9 0 127 19 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0;
> #P window setfont "Sans Serif" 12.;
> #P number 49 231 46 12 0 127 3 3 27 40 221 221 221 221 0 0 0 255 255 
> 255;
> #P window setfont "Sans Serif" 9.;
> #P hidden message 326 238 20 196617 98;
> #P hidden message 184 233 20 196617 99;
> #P window linecount 2;
> #P comment 139 274 38 196617 MSB (0x63);
> #P comment 280 274 39 196617 LSB (0x62);
> #P window linecount 1;
> #P hidden message 275 102 14 196617 0;
> #P hidden newex 275 35 48 196617 loadbang;
> #P hidden message 276 192 14 196617 6;
> #P hidden message 297 193 26 196617 127;
> #P hidden newex 275 172 55 196617 select 0 1;
> #P user radiogroup 275 118 18 32;
> #X size 2;
> #X offset 16;
> #X inactive 0;
> #X itemtype 0;
> #X flagmode 0;
> #X set 0;
> #X done;
> #P comment 292 136 62 196617 NRPN on 21;
> #P comment 292 120 62 196617 NRPN on XK;
> #P newex 49 254 40 196617 ctlout;
> #P newex 276 254 40 196617 ctlout;
> #P hidden message 191 29 14 196617 1;
> #P user umenu 143 53 100 196647 1 64 69 1;
> #X add "AU DLS Synth 1";
> #X add "IAC Driver Bus 1";
> #X add "from MaxMSP 1";
> #X add "from MaxMSP 2";
> #P hidden newex 143 30 45 196617 midiinfo;
> #P newex 133 254 40 196617 ctlout;
> #P hidden comment 195 312 62 196617 NRPN on 21;
> #P window linecount 2;
> #P hidden comment 221 328 27 196617 MSB (63);
> #P hidden comment 192 328 27 196617 LSB (62);
> #P hidden comment 161 328 27 196617 MSB (63);
> #P window linecount 1;
> #P hidden comment 50 375 394 196617 Slow Speed Bass   6    1    7F     
> 1     0 - 63(0 , 24 - 318rpm) 5 (36rpm);
> #P hidden comment 50 360 394 196617 Slow Speed Horn   6    0    7F     
> 0     0 - 63(0 , 24 - 318rpm) 5 (36rpm);
> #P window linecount 2;
> #P hidden comment 132 328 27 196617 LSB (62);
> #P window linecount 1;
> #P hidden comment 129 313 62 196617 NRPN on XK;
> #P comment 330 236 138 196617
> #P comment 17 234 30 196617 Data;
> #P comment 143 38 53 196617 MIDI Port;
> #P window linecount 3;
> #P comment 21 47 90 196617 1 - Set MIDI Port 2 - Set NRPN Dest 3 - Set 
> Data;
> #P window linecount 2;
> #P comment 272 94 62 196617 Mysterious NRPN Type;
> #P connect 43 0 31 0;
> #P hidden connect 42 1 18 0;
> #P connect 31 0 18 0;
> #P hidden connect 41 2 39 0;
> #P hidden connect 39 0 18 1;
> #P hidden connect 36 0 38 0;
> #P connect 38 0 35 0;
> #P hidden connect 42 1 13 0;
> #P connect 35 0 13 0;
> #P hidden connect 41 0 36 0;
> #P hidden connect 16 0 14 0;
> #P hidden connect 14 0 15 0;
> #P hidden connect 29 0 33 0;
> #P connect 33 0 13 1;
> #P hidden connect 41 2 29 0;
> #P hidden connect 15 1 42 0;
> #P hidden connect 25 0 41 0;
> #P hidden connect 42 0 41 0;
> #P hidden connect 41 0 26 0;
> #P hidden connect 26 0 21 0;
> #P hidden connect 21 0 22 0;
> #P hidden connect 22 0 24 0;
> #P hidden connect 23 0 34 0;
> #P hidden connect 24 0 34 0;
> #P connect 34 0 17 0;
> #P hidden connect 42 1 17 0;
> #P hidden connect 30 0 32 0;
> #P connect 32 0 17 1;
> #P hidden connect 22 1 23 0;
> #P hidden connect 41 2 30 0;
> #P hidden connect 45 0 46 0;
> #P hidden connect 46 0 47 0;
> #P hidden connect 47 0 45 0;
> #P window clipboard copycount 48;
>
>
> -- 
> Chris Muir           | "There are many futures and only one status quo.
> cbm@well.com         |  This is why conservatives mostly agree,
> http://www.xfade.com |  and radicals always argue." - Brian Eno
>


Are you talking about the patches people paste in their

If so, then highlight all of the text in the email,

starting max v2 all they down to the end of the text, for

example like this very poor looper patch i just threw

Copy the above text, open max, go to file, click on "New

>From Clipboard", then the patch will open in front of your

eyes. You have the option to open any of your patches as

a text file, all this fun can be found within the file drop

i had trouble with this when started off with max/msp as

well, so i know the shoes you are in. Have fun!

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Kelly,
Are you talking about the patches people paste in their
emails in this forum?   
 If so, then highlight all of the text in the email,
starting max v2 all they down to the end of the text, for
example like this very poor looper patch i just threw
together 

Copy the above text, open max, go to file, click on "New
>From Clipboard", then the patch will open in front of your
eyes.   You have the option to open any of your patches as
a text file, all this fun can be found within the file drop
down menu.   

i had trouble with this when started off with max/msp as
well, so i know the shoes you are in.   Have fun!

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http://mail.yahoo.com


> Copy the above text, open max, go to file, click on "New

>> From Clipboard", then the patch will open in front of your

> eyes. You have the option to open any of your patches as

> a text file, all this fun can be found within the file drop

I got nothing unfortunately. I copied the text, open max, went to file, 

dropdown menu for new and not a mention of 'new from clipboard'.

Copying isn't the problem because I can take the text from an email and 

place in a text window, but I can't seem to convert it. Is there 

possibly something in the script that isn't converting?