bart at max (also BITter)

I am working now for months on a big MaxMSP patch for live performance that i have to do in one week.

Now i am already three days searching for a solution because a problem with soundflower.

please see attachment 'soundflower_HELP.zip' with a simple, basic version of my audio patch to clearly understand the problem and the way of the audio stream.

1.system preference > sound: output = soundflower (2ch) & input = line in / audio line-in port 

2.MaxMSP DSP status: Driver>CoreAudio Build-in Audio / Input Device>Soundflower (2ch) 

> qtmusic goes to COREAUDIO > thru soundflower to adc~ > from adc~ to dac~ > NOT QTMUSIC SOUND BUT ONLY DAC~ SOUND have to come out the speakers into the air

!! This was working in MaxMSP 4.5.3 on MacOS 10.3.9 !!

?? This doesn't work in MaxMSP 4.5.5 on MacOS 10.4.5 ??

also with the new soundflowerbed on, it doesn't work

CAN SOMEBODY TELL ME WHY AND HOW TO DO, THANKS!

Otherwise i have to make a new work / patch in one week to do my concert.

I am working now for months on a big MaxMSP patch for live performance that i have to do in one week.
Now i am already three days searching for a solution because a problem with soundflower.

SETTINGS : 
1.system preference > sound: output = soundflower (2ch) & input = line in / audio line-in port 
2.MaxMSP DSP status: Driver>CoreAudio Build-in Audio / Input Device>Soundflower (2ch) 
3.soundflowerbed: off !!

?? This doesn't work in MaxMSP 4.5.5 on MacOS 10.4.5 ??
also with the new soundflowerbed on, it doesn't work

Otherwise i have to make a new work / patch in one week to do my concert.


help-still-soundflower-problem

without seeing your patch (no attachement) two suggestions:

- try with aggregated devices (under 10.4.5 /audio/midi-setup): see 

if you cant route the audio from system-output elswhere to your 

- if its only for qtmusic, why not use fluidsynth~ ? lets you have 

all the crappy midiinstrument -fun inside msp.

without seeing your patch (no attachement) two suggestions:
- try with aggregated devices (under 10.4.5 /audio/midi-setup): see  
if you cant route the audio from system-output elswhere to your  
soundcard.
- if its only for qtmusic, why not use fluidsynth~ ? lets you have  
all the crappy midiinstrument -fun inside msp.

hans w. koch
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It will allow you separate the "default system output device" (which 

is what QT sounds come from), from the main dac~ output of your Max 

At least I think that's what you're trying to do...

202 Hack / PC-1600 User / VSTi Host / OMS Convert / Jack OS X

It will allow you separate the "default system output device" (which 
is what QT sounds come from), from the main dac~ output of your Max 
patch.

-- 
Dan Nigrin
Defective Records
202 Hack / PC-1600 User / VSTi Host / OMS Convert / Jack OS X
http://www.defectiverecords.com
http://www.jackosx.com


A while back there being a thread about this, try searching the archives for a thread titled "anyone with soundflower problems?" or "msp bug when input device != output device"

I believe the ultimate result of those discussions was the realization that MSP has problems in 10.4 if the input device isn't the same as the output device.

http://developer.apple.com/technotes/tn2005/tn2113.html

In case you are curious:
http://developer.apple.com/technotes/tn2005/tn2113.html

Ok sorry, i have upload the patch, bizar! 

I have already tried with aggregated devices but it isn't working.

Yeah, ok fluidsynth but i have maked my patch complete in function of qtmusic so that i can control every instrument/synth like i want.

And before the soundflower problem it was really sounding like a real nice synth.

But thanks i try, maybe my patch will work also with fluidsynth.

Hi, hans,
Ok sorry, i have upload the patch, bizar! 
I have already tried with aggregated devices but it isn't working.
Yeah, ok fluidsynth but i have maked my patch complete in function of qtmusic so that i can control every instrument/synth like i want.

And before the soundflower problem it was really sounding like a real nice synth.
But thanks i try, maybe my patch will work also with fluidsynth.

Yes that is want i was doing with soundflower!

I have again tried with Jack OS X. But MaxMSP crashed always when i try to do what i want to do. Bizar it also doesn't work with Jack!?

Maybe the best thing that i can do is install back the ?old? MacOS 10.3.9 .

Hi, Dan,
Yes that is want i was doing with soundflower!
I have again tried with Jack OS X. But MaxMSP crashed always when i try to do what i want to do. Bizar it also doesn't work with Jack!?

Aha, that's the problem that i have. Thanks! Ok, i will check that they, apple, have already a solution for that.

Or, do you have a solution for that?
Regards, Bart


HELP still soundflower problem